In a world where God exists, should we obey him?

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I am contemplating on making this a debate topic(where I argue that, given such a scenario, we should obey God), but for now I'll post it as a forum topic to maybe get more/various views in lighter format. Though feel free to write long paragraphs if you'd like to.


The world we're examining
The scenario here presents that the world we're examining is a world where, for the sake of argument, God 100% exists without question beyond room for doubt. For example one day everyone in the world all at once hear God talk to them in their mind, say at exactly 2/26/2025 5:00 pm gmt time, regardless of whether you're awake or asleep/unconscious. And then again at exactly 7:31 pm gmt time the next day. (If the scenario doesn't prove it to you, then use your imagination to imagine a scenario that can prove God to everyone. The scenario itself does not matter as much as constructing a world where, for the sake of argument, God's existence is known beyond possible doubt)

God's message
In the world we're examining, I'll present that we know what God's message is, be it what is written in the Bible, the Quran, a different religious book, similar to one/several of them, or a completely different message or set of messages from any of the holy books we have.
I'll personally recommend for the purposes of this exercise that we examine it as if, for the sake of argument, we know without room for misinterpretation *exactly* what God means by his words. But you're free to examine it instead where we could potentially misinterpret God's message if that interests you.


God's qualities
The scenario also presents that God has at least these qualities. Omnipotence, Omniscience and Omnipresence. And that we know beyond doubt that God has these qualities. And that God created the world and everything in it. Typically God is also associated with Omnibenevolence, however, for the sake of this exercise we won't assume that that is a known quality about God. That whether the God you're imagining in this exercise is in fact Omnibenevolent or not, such a thing would not be verifiable by us. For example God could be one that orders us things we find evil like killing innocent children, or one that promises us heaven if we obey him but actually lied about that and sends us all to hell no matter what we do. (Although you are free to instead attribute God to being known as Omnibenevolent if you find that more interesting)
Additionally, only one God exists, if any other powerful entities exist (Angels, Satan, etc.), even if they're more powerful than us, they wouldn't be to able to do anything or make any changes to the world that God doesn't allow, and that all their powers combined would still be infinitely less than God's power.


The question
Under such a scenario, should we obey God? (And how much/to what extent should we obey him?) And in whichever case the answer is, would that answer be because of ethical reasons, pragmatic reasons, and/or whichever else other reasons you can think of? Additionally can you imagine variables that would change your answer to this exercise? (Such as for example the specifics of what God's message is)
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God maybe uses threats to subjugate me, but I am literally the spawn of Satan. I cannot be controlled. I cannot be subjugated. I only work to realize my dreams and wishes, since that is the only possible moral system, with no other moral systems even being possible. If I saw a hungry person starving, I would give him food. God watches people starve all the time, and just lets it happen. If I was God, no one would be suffering in any way. It is great that I am better God than God.
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I suppose you're talking about Christianity so let's take as an example one of the commandments of this supposed God that we have to "obey": "you shall not kill". 

We are assuming, I guess, that this is the same God that ordered to kill thousands of people for the sole purpose of taking their land. I ask you, do you think this God is coherent with what he says and orders?

This is one of the things I dislike about Christians, that they have their mind so clouded by their fanatism that they accept this kind of sht, which is in correspondance to what they understand about life. For them life is about "obeying", being submissive, being slaves of others that have a good narrative, they just follow orders without thinking as if they were the cattle taken to the slaughterhouse. This is totally unnatural, why do we have a brain? Isn't it for thinking, reasoning, analysing? Are we animals or are we a more evolved species? 

What a waste of time Christians are.
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For them life is about "obeying", being submissive, being slaves of others that have a good narrative
Well, governments did need religions which teach obedience. Obedience is taught by schools, religions, parents, military, by people in position of power.

The greatest tragedy is, really, when person starts to thinks that the commands he was taught to follow are his own thoughts and not just thoughts installed in him by others. The inheriting of religion very much proves beyond a reasonable doubt that overwhelming majority of religious people are just programmed robots, and that person's thoughts are actually determined by his parents, education, media and society. The reason why religious people need to believe in free will is because they need to feel better about themselves, that they "chose the correct religion". Really, if they understood that they dont have free will, they would lose all joy found in their fantasy books.
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I care about self preservation so yes
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The question
Under such a scenario, should we obey God? (And how much/to what extent should we obey him?) And in whichever case the answer is, would that answer be because of ethical reasons, pragmatic reasons, and/or whichever else other reasons you can think of? Additionally can you imagine variables that would change your answer to this exercise? (Such as for example the specifics of what God's message is)
The Bible makes the same case using the same scenarios. But the problem is Satan.
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Hey Hero.

If there was/is a GOD it would/will be chilled.

And say:

Hi Y'all, keep up the good work.

Bye for now back ASAP.

Could be 2000 years, might be 10000.

Depends what's going down elsewhere.

OOOh! Keep an eye open for asteroids.
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If there was/is a GOD it would/will be chilled.

And say:

Hi Y'all, keep up the good work.

Bye for now back ASAP.
That would be God from Japanese anime. Do you think that God is Japanese?
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Could be.

But I'm guessing that GOD is Universese.
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But I'm guessing that GOD is Universese.
Well, I guess, but how do we talk to Universe to make it do whatever we want?
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Not necessarily, its up to you whether or not the message of the God you are imagining is coherent. And, as I mentioned previously, whether or not there is possible room for misinterpretation in said message.
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Symbiosis.


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Not necessarily, it’s up to you whether or not the message of the God you are imagining is coherent. And, as I mentioned previously, whether or not there is possible room for misinterpretation in said message.
How can one do that when the only source is the Bible with all its contradictions and errors?
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The exercise is not necessarily intended to examine the bible or the God in the bible. You can either examine in this "in a world where God exists" hypothetical scenario one of the other religions we have like Islam, Judaism, Buddhism and so on. Or you could even instead imagine a religion that does not exist in our current world.

In fact, I'd argue that "In a world where God exists", it only makes more sense that the message of the God you're imagining is without contradiction or error. If you wish to regardless examine the scenario in which case the message is full of contradictions and errors, you can. Especially if you'd find that makes it more interesting. But from the sound of your comment, it sounds like that would only make the scenario less interesting to you.
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What an intriguing and very good question. 

To be honest, I think that whether we should obey or not is not the right question.  I think it goes without saying that not obeying will bring about the consequences of what that particular God indicated would occur. 

The real question is - why don't we obey? that for me is the more fascinating question. I for example think your scenario is not far from the reality - and hence, is a picture of the real world situation. Hence, we don't obey - as a general practice- and the question is why not? 

God is real -and despite people not believing in him, it doesn't change the fact. They hold the truth down.
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@Hero1000
The exercise is not necessarily intended to examine the bible or the God in the bible. You can either examine in this "in a world where God exists" hypothetical scenario one of the other religions we have like Islam, Judaism, Buddhism and so on. Or you could even instead imagine a religion that does not exist in our current world.
You are raising just another hypothetical. We have plenty of that in religions.