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@Mopac
Agnostic is just a soft atheist
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@Mopac
Honestly I have no idea what you mean.
I'm sure there IS truth, i just don't know what it is.
Or reality.
From the same dictionary.
the world or the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them.
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@Mopac
Epistemological nihilism is the end of it all!And it certainly is if knowledge is taken as an idol before The Truth.Loving The Truth isn't about knowledge. It is about living The Truth. So how do you abide in The Truth?That is what the Orthodox discipline is and has always been about.
You can't just make up your own special unique personal definition of "truth".
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@Mopac
Or reality.From the same dictionary.the world or the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them.
Correct. Actual verifiable existence.
Atheists make up truth all the time. No reason theists can't. Do your thing.
Atheists make up truth all the time. No reason theists can't. Do your thing.
Citation please.
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@3RU7AL
Something does not have to be verifiable to be reality.
Something has to be verifiable to be knowledge.
There is a difference between knowledge and truth. Facts and reality.
If you are epistemological nihilist, by that standard, nothing is fact. If you make truth contingent on knowledge with an attitude of epistemological nihilism, nothing is reality.
And sure enough, that is true atheism. Nihilism. The denial of reality itself.
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@3RU7AL
It is easy to say atheists make up truth because if you are an epistemological nihilist who equates knowledge with truth.. it means you don't believe in truth. As that is the case, any assertion of truth is made up by the atheist.
So an atheist really shouldn't be shocked at accusations like this, because technically they have adopted an indefensible and irrational worldview.
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@janesix
Knowledge of truth is not the end of things.
In fact, such a goal will only frustrate you. The west likes to approach the truth intellectually. Instead, they should be cleaning their microscope.
Clean your microscope. Every observation you make is throwed off by the smudged lense.
And this is really the discipline. A life of polishing the lense.
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@Mopac
I accept frustration as a part of learning.
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@Mopac
It is easy to say atheists make up truth because if you are an epistemological nihilist who equates knowledge with truth..
This is incorrect. I've already explained that truth requires facts and facts require verifiability. For example, gravity is quantifiable and verifiable and therefore can be considered true.
If anything, the atheist skeptic is completely lacking imagination. The focus is on clearly distinguishing Quanta from Qualia.
it means you don't believe in truth.
This is incorrect. I already explained that truth requires facts and facts require verifiability. For example, gravity is quantifiable and verifiable and therefore can be considered true.
As that is the case, any assertion of truth is made up by the atheist.
This is incorrect. The definition of truth is rigorously defined and is therefore Quantifiable.
So an atheist really shouldn't be shocked at accusations like this, because technically they have adopted an indefensible and irrational worldview.
I'm not sure I'd say "shocked" but I still haven't seen any specific examples.
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@janesix
You know what they say(don't ask who they are).
If you fall down, get back up.
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@Mopac
Something does not have to be verifiable to be reality.
Please give an example of one thing you believe is unverifiable and real.
Something has to be verifiable to be knowledge.
I agree.
There is a difference between knowledge and truth. Facts and reality.
Technically (linguistically) there is a difference, however, truth must be knowable and facts must accurately reflect reality.
If you are epistemological nihilist, by that standard, nothing is fact.
I'm pretty sure you just made that up out of thin air.
If you make truth contingent on knowledge with an attitude of epistemological nihilism, nothing is reality.
This is incorrect. I have already explained a Quantifiable definition of truth.
And sure enough, that is true atheism. Nihilism. The denial of reality itself.
Atheism simply means, "not a theist".
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@Mopac
I dont know what you are saying.
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@3RU7AL
See, you have explainesd these things, but you are wrong.
I know we have been over this before, and I hate to see you backtrack.
The Truth has very little to do with knowledge. The Truth is not contingent on knowledge.
Before electricity was discovered and known, it certainly existed.
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@janesix
Words.
You don't have to be agnostic about that.
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@Mopac
Ok, be cryptic if you want.
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@janesix
Grasping with the intelllect is less important than seeing clearly.
Open your eyes. Unplug the ears.
Purify the heart.
Same thing I have always been saying.
A defiled heart is going to see differently than a pure heart. A defiled heart is going to interpret the same knowledge differently than a pure heart.
More important than facts and information is a pure heart.
And even if you were a scientist, purifying the heart would only serve to make you a better scientist.
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@Mopac
I don't know what you mean by "purify the heart". Explain.
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@Mopac
The Truth has very little to do with knowledge. The Truth is not contingent on knowledge.
The truth is either knowable or unknowable. Unknowable truth is indistinguishable from pure imagination.
Before electricity was discovered and known, it certainly existed.
Certainly lightning is well defined and historically identifiable. In other words, we have evidence.
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@janesix
Abide in The Truth.
Abandon that which pulls you away from it.
Put no idol before God.
The Truth is God.
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@Mopac
Around and around we go.
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@3RU7AL
The Truth is either known or unknown. Knowable or unknowable.
But you know that there is Truth. Love The Truth more than anything. You do this through abiding in The Truth, discarding that which tempts you from it.
The Truth is God. Place no idol before God.
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@janesix
You are smoking cigarettes.
How do you quit?
Stop smoking them.
It really is that simple. So it is with loving The Truth.
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@Mopac
More nonsense. Tell me in detail how to purify my heart. If you can't, i will know it's just more blustering from you.
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@Mopac
The Truth is either known or unknown. Knowable or unknowable. But you know that there is Truth. Love The Truth more than anything. You do this through abiding in The Truth, discarding that which tempts you from it. The Truth is God. Place no idol before God.
If truth is unknowable, then you can never even hope to explain it.
If unknowable truth is god, then how can you even talk about it?
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@Polytheist-Witch
What about the apatheist?
What is your diagnosis?
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@Paul
Who cares?
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@3RU7AL
You use solipsism in every argument you make.