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@WyIted
You're still commiting to lynch Austin tmrw, though, right?
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@Savant
Fine by me, Vader might be more likely at the moment though. You have to be willing to walk away from reads. There is no point in applying pressure to generate reads if you aren't willing to consider others options
If Austin pulls his vote off of Vader than I think we are forced to lynch Austin because if he can't help with the vote I am not sure why we would want him around even if he was town
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@WyIted
Austin's scumminess has little to do with reads and more to do with mechanics. Surprised you called us "spinless" and then let him talk you out of this.
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@WyIted
He can't help with this one specific vote. We want him for his ability tonight.
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@Savant
Forget about mechanics. It doesn't matter. There could be a million deceptive roles out there. The only thing that matters is behavior.
We have more information now and Vader is more likely to be scum than Austin.
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@WyIted
Forget about mechanics. It doesn't matter.
Except last day phase, when it did matter.
You're right. My town read of savant was based on assuming there is a watcher based on Vader's claim.
Maybe I am getting sucked in to his BS. Because the watcher role kinda confirms Vader's role to a certain extent
How the fuck did I get 2 votes in the last DP?
Austin was so quick to jump from a Wylted lynch and then turns to my lynch. My flip is just going to confirm Savant and then Austin says he's waived the action and kill Savant. Stop being so retarded and vote the obvious lynch
Austin was so quick to jump from a Wylted lynch and then turns to my lynch. My flip is just going to confirm Savant and then Austin says he's waived the action and kill Savant. Stop being so retarded and vote the obvious lynch
last hour*
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@Savant
Why are you not on the obvious lynch of Austin. Notice how he jumped ship and moved the goalpost from "if Wylted flips town then lynch me" to "Lynch Vader, Wylted, then me."
He is just gonna keep shifting the goalpost so that he keeps himself alive
He is just gonna keep shifting the goalpost so that he keeps himself alive
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@AustinL0926
So you went from having a strong town read to now putting me in your top lynch candidate? Seems like a lot of WIFOM
I am refusing to move my vote from Austin. This is the most retarded lynch train I've ever seen. You have a watcher and a gravedigger claimed together. You have a vanilla alive as well. And Austin's first thought is to push a lynch on the person that he strong town read more than he did Pie when he SOP'd claim. Seriously. Don't fall for the bullshit. Mechanically speaking we get no benefit into keeping Austin alive because everything can be faked by him to manipulate results and push the lynch into MYLO
If you are not willing to understand that, you can lose with town and I have no proble. Luna is gonna be hardstuck to not push Austin next DP if we deviate from the lynch
If you are not willing to understand that, you can lose with town and I have no proble. Luna is gonna be hardstuck to not push Austin next DP if we deviate from the lynch
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@whiteflame
Are we lynching Vader, WyIted, or Austin? I can't lynch any of them without your cooperation.
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@AustinL0926
It also felt like he was deliberately avoiding Luna's points about how I have no path to a win if I'm scum and was just repeating the same things about how I was somehow trying to trick my way into endgaming. With you you're pretty much just straight up accusing me of stalling the game and that'd be a more realistic explanation if I'm scum, aside from the fact that I wouldn't do that because it's pointless.
I've gone back and forth with Luna for 3 straight pages and we both are seeing this game differently. I refuse to take my vote off you and he refuses to put his vote on you. What more do I have to argue lol? You are literally doing the same thing I do when I'm down as scum. Push an agenda of lynching people until tmrw until the inevitable happens. I'm just preventing any sort of manipulation from occuring
Vote Count
Wylted (2/4) - Lunatic, Savant
Vader (2/4) - Wylted, Austin
Austin (1/4) - Vader
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@Lunatic
I think it's just different perspectives that you and him see or he sees. We have no clue what the second ability scum may have. He could still have a chance at winning this game and we don't know.From a personality perspective, I don't want to psyche out Austin, but maybe he finally gets mafia after a while and wants to stick with it? Not eager to just end after DP2? Idk I think there's so many answers that realistically won't do shitIf austin is scum here and made a grandmaster plan that lets himself get lynched either way hes just not a good mafia player. You may be willing to go that far to justify everything thats happened, I just can't bite that bullet.
It's not a rocket science. All it takes is for him to RB Savant, waive a NK, and then pretend he RB'd someone like WF and whatnot and boom, then you are going back to the hypothetical of "well, he's always been in my town pile and he caught someone, ehh fuck it I'll for sure vote him next round," then vote him off and then it's a 2v1 where he has all the control
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@Savant
I will hammer Austin to move the game forward. Casey said she would vote him when she got home and never did. Whiteflame is just prolonging the DP and we are not gaining new information as a result
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@Savant
All of Austin's "mechanics" only work if you assume he is town. By lynching either myself or wylted you do nothing to prove anything unless he's genuinely is town. If he's not you just allowed him to fuck with the NP and manipulate any results he can.
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@Savant
Are we lynching Vader, WyIted, or Austin? I can't lynch any of them without your cooperation.
Yep, seems like the vote has split quite a bit.
Honestly, I just don't buy Vader as scum. You'd have to believe that scum have a Ninja as a response to Savant's Watcher, which is the only reason Vader would risk claiming his role... except that makes absolutely no sense because he, as the Ninja, would have claimed a role that Savant, as the Watcher, could verify does not work as the Gravedigger is supposed to work. This plan, where scum have a Ninja and claim Gravedigger, only makes sense if the person who is not the Ninja claims it. We know GP didn't claim Gravedigger and was not the Ninja. So, no, I won't be voting Vader.
It's heads up between WyIted and Austin. My preference atm is Austin, but I haven't decided yet and likely won't until tonight.
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@whiteflame
I trust WF's judgment, and at this point I need his cooperation for this to move forward.
VTL Austin
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@whiteflame
Thank you for the logic. I don't want to defend myself so hard but the vote on me was so silly, consider Austin is leading it when he had a hard town read on him until I became persistent he was the lynch
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@Casey_Risk
Are you willing to help lynch Austin?
Remember the plan. Wylted then austin.
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@Savant
Are you willing to help lynch Austin?
At this point, yeah. After reconsidering my PoE, I think it has to be between Vader and Austin, and I think Austin is the more likely of the two.
VTL Austin
Is that the hammer? If not I have one final point to convince you to follow the plan
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@Lunatic
Is that the hammer? If not I have one final point to convince you to follow the plan
I don't think so, I think Austin would need one more vote
Unvote VTL Austin
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@WyIted
Was this all a gambit so you could hammer?
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@Mharman
Post endgame