Okay so we have two killing roles with whiteflame and vader. Both have horrible justifications IMO. I think I am kind of understanding vaders better but it still seems wierd to me. Whiteflame's makes a bit more sense, but it's a role I've never seen or heard of before. But I doubt casey would put two killing roles in the game with each other, so I think it's likely there is at least one scum between the two of them. Still want to hear austins claim.
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I'm Batman vs Sherlock Holmes. Since I have Sherlock's deduction abilities, I'm the Odd-night Lie Detector.
N1, I submitted "Apart from them [Pie and the inactives], I have at least a town lean on most everyone except Luna, whose behavior so far has been null to me" by WHITEFLAME to lie detect.
(I added the brackets to show the context of the statement, which Casey would take into consideration)
Casey told me what would happen depending on WF's alignment and other people's:
WF town: Casey would say "I don't know"
WF scum: Casey would say "Lie" or "Not a Lie", depending on whether the reads are correct
The idea being that town!WF could be lying about his reads or telling the truth so it's unknowable, while scum!WF either is lying or is just TMIng people town so it would definitely show as Lie or Not a Lie.
So I figured it would basically be a cop check on WF, and maybe even give some extra info if he was scum. I checked him because I usually don't read him very well and I felt his D1 play was generally passive in a way I didn't like.
FYI I strongly lean towards Whiteflame having been framed. He's smart enough as scum to not use an executioner ability right after voting, that's just atrocious play when it'd be much easier to lurk until someone else was posting in thread and then message Casey or smth.
Kinda conflicted here. Whoever the scum are, they've been playing well.
Please don't rush, at school rn and I can't post much, I will post full reads and pairings when I get back home.
Ok there is a lot to work with so I am going to analyze
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@Lunatic
Yeah I had to dumb it down even for myself. I actually had to watch the battle to see what they were saying too LOL. Very weird overall but I get it.
FMPOV, I feel like it has to be WF and Austin. The last 2 to claim with claims that a bit questionable to say the least. I think Austin's claim is a bit OP and honestly, a bit easy to make up to a certain extent. I think as scum I claimed it one time in a game. It's one that is easily to make up, and the fact that he has a flavor to it makes me way more suspicious. I also think the fact we had a 1x Justice already in this game (assuming Luna is telling the truth) makes it really hard for me to believe.
I also find WF claim very weird too. It pretty much functions as a passive Escort for NK's. This claim seems pretty easy to fakeclaim for the most part and I think the claim fits a bit too perfectly with the justifications.
The only way that this isn't WF/Austin is if Luna/Banana pulled off an insane gambit. If that's the case, then hats off to both of them. But I think the balls to imply either, or, are scum and then to pull the 3p play just seems like too ballsy of a play to make in this game. But I could deffo see Luna doing it though. The fact that right after Luna posted and banana claimed the 3p strikes me so off.
I feel like the obvious answer is WF/Austin and it's staring me straight in the face but I am trying to too much to read all options. My biggest scum read throughout this game has been WF for a multitude of reasons.
I also find WF claim very weird too. It pretty much functions as a passive Escort for NK's. This claim seems pretty easy to fakeclaim for the most part and I think the claim fits a bit too perfectly with the justifications.
The only way that this isn't WF/Austin is if Luna/Banana pulled off an insane gambit. If that's the case, then hats off to both of them. But I think the balls to imply either, or, are scum and then to pull the 3p play just seems like too ballsy of a play to make in this game. But I could deffo see Luna doing it though. The fact that right after Luna posted and banana claimed the 3p strikes me so off.
I feel like the obvious answer is WF/Austin and it's staring me straight in the face but I am trying to too much to read all options. My biggest scum read throughout this game has been WF for a multitude of reasons.
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@Vader
I can see wf/austin too, but I also am not a huge fan of your claim either. And Banana could be scum too IG. I don't like how she immediately voted like that. But I dont know who she would be a scum team with.
Everyone is sus. Whiteflame and vader cant work cuz they are both vig variants, doesnt make sense with balance. If one of you is scum then the other is town, I dont see you as a pair.
Austins claim is sus because with my role and earths role thats a lot of investigative power, and we unfortunately have no results to confirm the action.
Banana is sus because she could just be scum and lying about the TP, and the way she voted whiteflame makes me suspicious that she was the one "framing" him, but she could also just be right and calling a duck a duck, but idk.
Everyone is sus atm except wylted.
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@Lunatic
I can see wf/austin too, but I also am not a huge fan of your claim either. And Banana could be scum too IG. I don't like how she immediately voted like that. But I dont know who she would be a scum team with.Everyone is sus. Whiteflame and vader cant work cuz they are both vig variants, doesnt make sense with balance. If one of you is scum then the other is town, I dont see you as a pair.Austins claim is sus because with my role and earths role thats a lot of investigative power, and we unfortunately have no results to confirm the action.Banana is sus because she could just be scum and lying about the TP, and the way she voted whiteflame makes me suspicious that she was the one "framing" him, but she could also just be right and calling a duck a duck, but idk.Everyone is sus atm except wylted.
Yep you pretty much hit the nail on the head for it.
I just think the pairs right now are either Austin / WF or Banana / you.
I am pretty positive the WF is scum and his claims reiterates that, but this makes something very interesting that I want to discuss though. I think I know what your answer will be but I want to see
I guessed that whiteflame would be the next lynch this DP. Meaning that I will get a vig shot in the NP.
Right now it is either a 3v2v1 or a 4v2. If WF is lynched and turns scum, we are hypothetically at 3v1v1 or 4v1. I could use my vig shot that I get from the NP. Worst case scenario it's a 2v1 and best case scenario town wins
Here is the tricky thing though, if WF is Town and Banana is telling the truth, we lose this game. BUT, if WF is town and Banana is lying, then it's a 3v2 going into the NP and with me getting the shot from guessing WF's lynch, i would shoot banana.
I am pretty positive the WF is scum and his claims reiterates that, but this makes something very interesting that I want to discuss though. I think I know what your answer will be but I want to see
I guessed that whiteflame would be the next lynch this DP. Meaning that I will get a vig shot in the NP.
Right now it is either a 3v2v1 or a 4v2. If WF is lynched and turns scum, we are hypothetically at 3v1v1 or 4v1. I could use my vig shot that I get from the NP. Worst case scenario it's a 2v1 and best case scenario town wins
Here is the tricky thing though, if WF is Town and Banana is telling the truth, we lose this game. BUT, if WF is town and Banana is lying, then it's a 3v2 going into the NP and with me getting the shot from guessing WF's lynch, i would shoot banana.
Ways this ends badly for town
- WF is town and Banana is telling the truth, 2v2v1. Scum win
- WF is scum and Banana is telling the truth and I shoot town at night. 1v1v1
These are the only ways that town could lose based on this scenario. But if WF flips town, I have no doubt in mind that Banana is scum. Austin and Luna team at this point is impossible. By POE it has to Luna and Banana as scum if WF turns town
- WF is scum and Banana is telling the truth and I shoot town at night. 1v1v1
These are the only ways that town could lose based on this scenario. But if WF flips town, I have no doubt in mind that Banana is scum. Austin and Luna team at this point is impossible. By POE it has to Luna and Banana as scum if WF turns town
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@Vader
Usually third party count towards town numbers but we can ask Casey for clarification. Even if it does though your forgetting the mafia night kill.
If you kill Whiteflame and he’s scum you would have to hit mafia in the night for us to win the game, if you mis vig, plus mafia get a night kill it would be 1 v 2 but if banana were alive then she’d have incentive to hammer with mafia to get to np4, unless she was the night kill or your kill.
Anyways all this only works if your town if you are scum it just wins you the game if we lynch Whiteflame and he is town and it’s you/ Austin or you / banana.
Unless… maybe… Whiteflame redirects a kill if he’s town? If you vig him he technically should survive if town and he can redirect the kill towards Austin, since at that point it would have to be him since you’d be confirmed if not right? We would still be fucked though by banana because she would vote with scum or could be scum. My head hurts. Maybe there isn’t a game breaking solve here
Nvm we couldn’t test Whiteflame ls role because you’d only get a kill if we’d already lynched him assuming your even town. No we have to decide a correct lynch today and tomorrow or we simply lose.
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@Lunatic
Unless… maybe… Whiteflame redirects a kill if he’s town? If you vig him he technically should survive if town and he can redirect the kill towards Austin, since at that point it would have to be him since you’d be confirmed if not right? We would still be fucked though by banana because she would vote with scum or could be scum. My head hurts. Maybe there isn’t a game breaking solve here
No matter what we are fucked and town loses if we get to a DP4 IMO assuming Banana is telling the truth.
here is the math. 4v2 or a 3v2v1.
WF is scum. 4v1 or a 3v1v1
NK on whoever, I use my vig shot and hit scum, 3vo or 2v0v1 DP3 and town wins.
We lose in DP4 no matter what happens tonight if Banana tells the truth. The only way town win this game is if we lynch WF he's scum and I hit the second mafia.
here is the math. 4v2 or a 3v2v1.
WF is scum. 4v1 or a 3v1v1
NK on whoever, I use my vig shot and hit scum, 3vo or 2v0v1 DP3 and town wins.
We lose in DP4 no matter what happens tonight if Banana tells the truth. The only way town win this game is if we lynch WF he's scum and I hit the second mafia.
Apologies for the delay, I've had to squeeze what is normally about 3-4 hours of work into less than half that time after taking my wife to and from an appointment this morning. When I get a chance, I'll post something more substantial.
VTL Austin
Votes:
Austin (1/4): Wylted
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@WyIted
Interesting. Do you know something or just suspect something? I know you can’t talk lol
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@AustinL0926
I'm Batman vs Sherlock Holmes. Since I have Sherlock's deduction abilities, I'm the Odd-night Lie Detector.
Interesting. Based on this, you wouldn't have a result for NP2, but the role could still be used NP3, so it could still be valuable. It does create a sort of symmetry with Pie's Even Night role, even if they're very different roles.
N1, I submitted "Apart from them [Pie and the inactives], I have at least a town lean on most everyone except Luna, whose behavior so far has been null to me" by WHITEFLAME to lie detect.
Fair choice. I think the reasoning for selecting me as a target makes sense as well. I like the breakdown of how this would play out, pretty clear how you should interpret the result, just a shame you didn't get one.
FYI I strongly lean towards Whiteflame having been framed. He's smart enough as scum to not use an executioner ability right after voting, that's just atrocious play when it'd be much easier to lurk until someone else was posting in thread and then message Casey or smth.
It's WIFOM thinking, but obviously I agree.
hi, just got home - will get to this soon, maybe after dinner
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@Vader
FMPOV, I feel like it has to be WF and Austin. The last 2 to claim with claims that a bit questionable to say the least. I think Austin's claim is a bit OP and honestly, a bit easy to make up to a certain extent. I think as scum I claimed it one time in a game. It's one that is easily to make up, and the fact that he has a flavor to it makes me way more suspicious. I also think the fact we had a 1x Justice already in this game (assuming Luna is telling the truth) makes it really hard for me to believe.
Considering Banana's in this game and her role frustrates the results for Luna's Justice role, I could see a world in which there are two investigative roles in this game, particularly with limited use cases. It does seem opportunistic to claim a role that hasn't gotten used because of the odd night restriction, and he's still in my PoE, but it's hard to dismiss the opportunity to get that additional info for next DP.
I also find WF claim very weird too. It pretty much functions as a passive Escort for NK's. This claim seems pretty easy to fakeclaim for the most part and I think the claim fits a bit too perfectly with the justifications.
I think most of this applies to your claim except that yours is active in that you get the Vig to use. Seems just as straightforward to fake your claim so long as you haven't gotten to use it. As for it being "too perfect" of a fit, it seems like there's some variation on that front, since some of the role claims have slotted better than others with their characters. Savant's JK looks about as well justified to me.
The only way that this isn't WF/Austin is if Luna/Banana pulled off an insane gambit. If that's the case, then hats off to both of them. But I think the balls to imply either, or, are scum and then to pull the 3p play just seems like too ballsy of a play to make in this game. But I could deffo see Luna doing it though. The fact that right after Luna posted and banana claimed the 3p strikes me so off.I feel like the obvious answer is WF/Austin and it's staring me straight in the face but I am trying to too much to read all options. My biggest scum read throughout this game has been WF for a multitude of reasons.
I still don't buy that either Luna or Banana are scum for reasons I've already covered, so I guess by PoE alone, you really don't have another target to choose. And yes, you've expressed other reasons to sus me. I'd include the pseudo-CC, which seems like the bigger issue with your and my role, I very much understand why you view me as sus for the same reason I view you the same.
I'm going to avoid touching the math on your Vig vs. my role. It seems pretty clear that one of our roles is real and the other is not. I think it's a mistake for others to rely on your logic, but from your point of view, you almost have to assume that as true.
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@Lunatic
Okay so we have two killing roles with whiteflame and vader. Both have horrible justifications IMO. I think I am kind of understanding vaders better but it still seems wierd to me. Whiteflame's makes a bit more sense, but it's a role I've never seen or heard of before. But I doubt casey would put two killing roles in the game with each other, so I think it's likely there is at least one scum between the two of them. Still want to hear austins claim.
Agreed, it's pretty clear that it's one of us or the other.
I can see wf/austin too, but I also am not a huge fan of your claim either. And Banana could be scum too IG. I don't like how she immediately voted like that. But I dont know who she would be a scum team with.
Frankly, no one should be writing me off at this point. It's all behavior for me right now and my claim has no support, though I'm not the only one in that boat.
Nvm we couldn’t test Whiteflame ls role because you’d only get a kill if we’d already lynched him assuming your even town. No we have to decide a correct lynch today and tomorrow or we simply lose.
That's a given.
I'm running on fumes tonight. Wont stay online too late tonight.
Well Vader feels town to me, I am pretty sure the two last scum are austin and whiteflame. Both were on the lynch that got executed. But for now I think i will vote austin because wylted is voting austin, and he's pretty much the only person who is guaranteed town at this point, since there isn't any way mafia would silence themselves twice. If wylted instantly voted austin I think wylted knows something, or has some information that points to austin being mafia. Maybe he CC's his character or role, or maybe has results, or something. Either way, austin is in my POE, I am okay lynching him or whiteflame as I am 90% sure that is the scum team. I will vtl austin for now.
vtl austin
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@iamanabanana
I think you’re right about Austin. Not enough reason to keep him alive. VTL Austin
uh oh...
unvote???
omg im so sorry guys
FINAL VOTE TALLY:
Austin (4/4): Wylted, Banana, Lunatic, Whiteflame
Austin was lynched! He was Innocent.
Mafia victory is now unstoppable! The town has been endgamed! Endgame thread up when I get home from work.