You are religious, atheist and theist alike.

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It is impossible to not have the existence of belief systems, religions and faiths.

I explained part of this in a latest video with someone in a discussion of transgenderism.

Which you can view by going to website address:


We briefly discussed how the separation of church and state is impossible and as long as mankind is unable to know everything, there's ground for uncertainty, doubt and faith/trust.

Many of you on this site debate with what you call sources. You trust the information is true, you believe it and you assert it as evidence.

But I ask you to prove what you're citing is genuine, you fail. The best you can say is "creditable"...." trusted"......"expertise"......"look at the track record".

That is your faith in your source.

Now here's what, you lack the belief in many things. True.

All the while, you're heavily rely on others , you rely on probabilities and you mistakenly call that proof. You incorrectly label what is evidence.
Likelihood is not evidence.

It is possibility which still holds uncertainty in it because you can't accurately declare what will be the outcome versus the chance of several different outcomes.
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Many of you on this site debate with what you call sources. You trust the information is true,

you believe it and you assert it as evidence.
I dont believe it, I just assert it as evidence.

Person would have to be a retard to trust every source, given how easy it is to manipulate statistics.

It is impossible to not have the existence of belief systems, religions and faiths.
Sure it is. Just start believing your eyes and stop believing the priest.

you rely on probabilities
Kinda hard not to.

If I knew that I am going to die the next day, I probably wouldnt spend this day in same way.
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You said sure it is.

I agree that it is a sure impossibility as well .

Then you backed us both up with believing your eyes hence the belief system remains.

Good point.
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You said sure it is.

I agree that it is a sure impossibility as well .

Then you backed us both up with believing your eyes hence the belief system remains.

Good point.
You have to trust but verify the information your receive. There are more knowledgeable sources than yourself.
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Then you backed us both up with believing your eyes hence the belief system remains.
Most people believe their eyes and senses. Otherwise, there would be no way to determine truth.
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Then you backed us both up with believing your eyes hence the belief system remains.
Most people believe their eyes and senses. Otherwise, there would be no way to determine truth.
You have to trust but verify. You look like a girl till I verify you also have a small dick.
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You have to trust but verify. You look like a girl till I verify you also have a small dick.
I appreciate that my small dick is verified.

However, my point was simply that senses are the only way to determine what is true, and by abandoning senses, you have no way to determine what is true, thus you have no way to even choose your religion, let alone prove it or make any decision generally. Holding belief that your religion is true while lacking the way to determine if it is true means that you are committing a logical fallacy.
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I will go with what Albert Einstein said: “The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish.”
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Yeah you trust your sources and argue as bout as best as they give you grounds to.
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Even Einstein had belief systems.
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However, my point was simply that senses are the only way to determine what is true, and by abandoning senses, you have no way to determine what is true, thus you have no way to even choose your religion, let alone prove it or make any decision generally. Holding belief that your religion is true while lacking the way to determine if it is true means that you are committing a logical fallacy.
Religious instinct has been hypothesized by some scholars as a part of human nature. Support for such a position being found in the fact that (as Talcott Parsons put it) "there is no known human society without something which modern social scientists would classify as religion".

New research finds that humans have natural tendencies to believe in gods and an afterlife. Research suggests that people across many different cultures instinctively believe that some part of their mind, soul or spirit lives on after-death.
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People even deny that atheists have belief systems.
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People even deny that atheists have belief systems.
Not all atheists are same. Some atheists base their thinking in truth. Same cannot be said for any religious nut.

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Stephen Hawking said: “Before we understand science, it is natural to believe that God created the universe. But now science offers a more convincing explanation,” he said. “What I meant by ‘we would know the mind of God’ is, we would know everything that God would know, if there were a God, which there isn’t. I’m an atheist.”
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Unless you're one of those philosophers that denies the evidence of their own eyes like a solipsist, science is not a belief system.
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I did a debate on here almost two years ago defending the same thing as you are. 

My argument was that Atheists are religious. 

What you say makes sense 
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You can't use science to prove any creation or universe origin theory, and this understanding is easily ascertained from the fundamentals of how to practice science.

What science is Stephen Hawking adhering to?

Though I should admit Hawking was talking in terms of likelihood, and this is where the real argument is: How should we interpret the scientific facts available to us? 
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Bertrand Russell was a British philosopher, logician, mathematician, and public intellectual. He had influence on mathematics, logic, set theory, and various areas of analytic  philosophy. From about the age of fifteen he became deeply concerned with questions like the existence of god, for which he could find no evidence. At the age of eighteen he became an atheist. He found it a great relief to be free of some of the fears and dogma surrounding religion.
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All atheists believe God the spirit does not exist.
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Yeah people believe in science as well.
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People do believe atheists are religious.

Atheists say they don't believe but lack belief trying to make it non religious.

Ok , well theists have a lack of a belief.

Atheism is not ultimately the default position on the existence of God .
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All atheists believe God the spirit does not exist.
I think they just have problem in choosing which of the 30.000 Gods to believe in.

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Bertrand Russell was a British philosopher, logician, mathematician, and public intellectual. He had influence on mathematics, logic, set theory, and various areas of analytic  philosophy. From about the age of fifteen he became deeply concerned with questions like the existence of god, for which he could find no evidence. At the age of eighteen he became an atheist. He found it a great relief to be free of some of the fears and dogma surrounding religion.
"From about the age of fifteen he became deeply concerned with questions like the existence of god, for which he could find no evidence."

Unfortunate he never knew the Bible existed and how we verify historical documents.

"He found it a great relief to be free of some of the fears and dogma surrounding religion."

Yes, what a relief to not feel the pressure of responsibility or that our actions and thoughts have ultimate consequences. 
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Why I Am Not a Christian  (1927)*
By Bertrand Russell

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That is a good read.
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Unless you're one of those philosophers that denies the evidence of their own eyes like a solipsist, science is not a belief system.
Jesus did recommend poking one's own eyes out. 

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Jesus did recommend poking one's own eyes out. 
He was speaking to the principle of severing all ties to that which causes you to sin
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And the basis to lack the belief in God is very weak reinforcing a faith system.

Did you check out the video of the discussion I had with the two atheists?

One of the talks followed the topic about slavery and freedom.
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Did you check out the video of the discussion I had with the two atheists?
I will check it out in few hours.
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All the while, you're heavily rely on others , you rely on probabilities and you mistakenly call that proof. You incorrectly label what is evidence.
Likelihood is not evidence.
Knowledge of God has accumulated over the generations. It is impossible to replace all that information with one’s personal experience in one lifetime. We were not there at the beginning nor at important times in history which gave rise to beliefs about God. We have to go with the human history and experience  before us.