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@Best.Korea
Nobody believes that.Maybe you just dont talk to many people.
Maybe you're just not listening
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@Greyparrot
The people had a referendum on Jan 6 last election
I thought they voted for Trump because they wanted to lower the price of eggs? Or was it about immigration? Or wasn't it about wokeism? Sense like whatever narrative is convenient in the moment, that's what it was.
Back on earth one, we recognize that the overwhelming majority oppose pardons for the J6 convicts, but people prioritized other things.
They chose to side with the victims instead of the tyrants.
So the people who beat up police officers are the victims, and the people who prosecuted them are tyrants? Yeah, that sounds about right in MAGAville.
That 5 when you asked for 1 instance.
I asked for one for a reason. I'm not interested in your Chatgpt recital, I'm not interested in your flood of BS comparisons. Cite one comparable example that you are prepared to stand by. Not interested in your little game where you list multiple examples so that when one gets knocked down you just run to the next one.
And regardless of whether you have any legitimate examples (as if any example of a prosecutor purposefully failing to prosecute a BLM rioter could ever be comparable to a presidential pardon), let's also not pretend that two wrongs make a right.
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@Double_R
Maybe you're just not listening
I rarely listen to people in real life, because they mostly talk nonsense which I am not interested in absorbing.
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@WyIted
No one thinks that. You are, as usual, inventing your own opposition because you have no rational defense of your horrid position.That's what the conclusion of your beliefs are.
No, that's what the conclusion of your own imagination amounts to. Everything you wrote in your response demonstrates as I have repeatedly pointed out to you that you are arguing with yourself. Pay attention.
So your claim is 1500 people physically beat up cops that day?
No, my claim is that the 1500 people he pardoned includes the violent offenders. And regardless of how many of them were violent, the fact is that this was a decision Trump made. A fully aware, fully conscious decision... to pardon people who beat up police officers for doing their jobs.
If you were intellectually honest you would not be celebrating this, but unfortunately you're not.
So limit the pardon to them, but he didn't. I wonder why.What did they do? Show up to a protest? There are videos of cops letting people into the capital so they went into a building that was literally unlocked for them?
There were literally thousands of them, they didn't all do the same thing which is why they didn't all get the same outcome.
This is logic 101 and you are failing it's most basic test. If you want to present a rational argument provide data or examples of individuals who were unfairly prosecuted and then we can begin to have a discussion.
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@Best.Korea
I rarely listen to people in real life, because they mostly talk nonsense which I am not interested in absorbing.
Then you have no business criticizing them.
And not for nothing, it's kind of an odd choice for someone not interested in what others have to say to spend their time on a debate site responding to people you disagree with.
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@Double_R
Then you have no business criticizing them.
Thats a contradictory statement. I dont need to listen to everything someone says in order to criticize him.
It's kind of an odd choice for someone not interested in what others have to say to spend their time on a debate site responding to people you disagree with.
People here are smarter than people in real life. If you want to become smarter, you are going to talk to smart people, not to stupid people, obviously.
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@Double_R
we recognize that the overwhelming majority oppose pardons for the J6 convicts
Source? For all 1500?
So the people who beat up police officers are the victims,
Did 1500 people beat up police officers on Jan 6? If not, you can stop pretending.
to pardon people who beat up police officers for doing their jobs.
How many years in prison should you get for throwing a rock at a police officer?
How many years is just right for trespassing? Illegal aliens are treated better.
Cite one comparable example that you are prepared to stand by.
I stand by all 5. Now tell me how many years is appropriate for police assault, and we can immediately throw all those people in jail for that exact amount of time. We can even appoint a special prosecutor to do it. Otherwise, stop pretending.
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@Double_R
After Biden's bullshit the last 2 weeks, there are only a handful of Americans left that think the Justice Dept was not politically weaponized.
This is the remedy when you do that. Elect new people to clean out the trash in the DOJ and hope for the best. Maybe don't try to weaponize the DOJ next time and issue preemptive pardons for your family and pals. Then you wouldn't have to sob in the corner thinking about the cheeto-man 24/7.
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@Double_R
A fully aware, fully conscious decision... to pardon people who beat up police officers for doing their jobs.
Most did not attack officers, but other than that did you know that the average sentence for assault on an officer is a little less than 2 years?
This is logic 101 and you are failing it's most basic test. If you want to present a rational argument provide data or examples of individuals who were unfairly prosecuted and then we can begin to have a discussion.
Not falling for that because I will start listing them and then you will lie and say those are the exceptions to the rule.
Did you know that in the last 2 years you have made over 50 threads and that only 2 of those threads has nothing to do with Trump?
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@WyIted
Did you know that in the last 2 years you have made over 50 threads and that only 2 of those threads has nothing to do with Trump?
Maybe because he admits he and his tight social group know sparse facts about Trump and genuinely wish to be enlightened?
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@Greyparrot
So the people who beat up police officers are the victims,Did 1500 people beat up police officers on Jan 6?
Irrelevant to the conversation. The issue here is the fact that the president of the United States just pardoned people who committed political violence on his behalf. The fact that they did so against police officers just puts the cherry on top being that the people excusing this are the same people whose literal slogan is "back the blue".
What this shows is how deeply unserious you and all your MAGA ilk are and what loathsome hypocrites you all are. So, naturally, being that you can't defend this nonsense you do everything you can to deflect by talking about the BLM riots who no serious person one on the left defends including myself, or you point to the people who did not commit violence as if that has anything to do with this. It's all deflection because you are fundamentally dishonest.
How many years in prison should you get for throwing a rock at a police officer?
You tell me, since you are suddenly an advocate for unfair treatment of prisoners. I wonder when incarcerated black people will get the same consideration. Funny how the "law and order" crowd suddenly doesn't think attacking police officers is a big deal when MAGA does it.
After Biden's bullshit the last 2 weeks, there are only a handful of Americans left that think the Justice Dept was not politically weaponized.
Because propaganda works.
Maybe don't try to weaponize the DOJ next time and issue preemptive pardons for your family and pals.
Maybe don't elect a president who had said publicly many many times that it would be ok for him to go after his political opponents and who then nominates a man who has said on camera that he will use the power of government to go after Trump's political rivals and published an enemies hitlist to be the next FBI director.
It never ceases to amaze me how MAGA loves to pretend that the actions of democrats took place in a vacuum, as if it were not a direct reaction to the horrid things Trump and his minions have done. That's like walking up to someone on the street and slapping them, only to later complain about how horrible they are for hitting you back.
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@Double_R
You tell me,
Thank you for your humble concession
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@WyIted
Most did not attack officers
Irrelevant, see my comments to GP
This is logic 101 and you are failing it's most basic test. If you want to present a rational argument provide data or examples of individuals who were unfairly prosecuted and then we can begin to have a discussion.Not falling for that because I will start listing them and then you will lie and say those are the exceptions to the rule.
Not falling for the idea of backing up your claim with facts? Interesting argument.
See my earlier discission with GP. You don't need to list anything, in fact I would reject a list because then all you will do is force me into a game of whack-a-mole where I show one example to be invalid so you just move on to the next. What I ask is that you stand by your claim if I'm going to engage in it, which means show actual data or choose a legitimate example that you can then tie to a bigger picture. That's not just about presenting a convincing argument, that's the bare minimum of what it needed to rationally justify your claim. If you haven't done that already then it's no wonder you believe the nonsense you do.
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@WyIted
Not falling for that because I will start listing them and then you will lie and say those are the exceptions to the rule.
I think you are correct about using "exceptions" to destroy the spirit of the law and allowing for political weaponization.
It's exactly how you can justify zero jail time for BLM rioters caught clearly on video attacking police and yet also advocate for 20 years in prison for someone in a MAGA hat.
When asked how much time a random person should serve for throwing a rock at the police, a postmodernist amoral evil partisan must remain silent, or forever renounce his cult.
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@Greyparrot
Thank you for your humble concession
Thank you for proving once again how unserious you are.
After everything I said, that's all you have in response? What joke, but that's MAGA.
It's exactly how you can justify zero jail time for BLM rioters caught clearly on video attacking police and yet also advocate for 20 years in prison for someone in a MAGA hat.
No one is advocating for BLM rioters who committed violence to get zero jail time, nor is anyone advocating for 'anyone wearing a MAGA hat' to get 20 years. This is what happens when you have no rational defense of your position, you have to invent an argument to stand up against to make yourself look like you're on the right side of the dispute.
When asked how much time a random person should serve for throwing a rock at the police, a postmodernist amoral evil partisan must remain silent
No, when you refuse to acknowledge the issue at hand - that the president of the United States just pardoned the people who committed political violence against the police on his behalf - the "evil partisan" is going to bring you back to the actual conversation by ignoring your whataboutisms.
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@Double_R
No,
Thank you for conceding and remaining silent.
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@WyIted
Stay on topic.
You agree with Trump doing this because you will agree with anything Trump does.
Trump is your God and you aren't changing your mind because your religion is Trumpian Christainty.
You are a piece of shit to think America should lock up conservative protestors but let BLM rioters loot businesses, burn down buildings and literally murder people
If anti Trump = piece of shit to you, then yes; I am a piece of shit and so is half the country.
stop being evil
You think anti-Trump = evil. I would rather be evil.
Trump supporters are evil by MY definition.
You think anti-Trump = evil. I would rather be evil.
Reread. I stated that wanting to lock up protestors because you disagree with them is evil
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@Double_R
Not falling for the idea of backing up your claim with facts? Interesting argument.
Fine. Samantha Meyers a mom of 3 was just pardoned for the mere crime of trespassing on January 6 and still has not went to trial.
Did you know a lot of people who participated in the BLM riots and attacked cops spent less than 2 weeks in jail.
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@RemyBrown
Why else would you pardon all these people?Political violence is acceptable if you wear a MAGA hat according to Trump and anyone that supports Trump after this decides that this isn't a deal breaker and to me, that makes literally no sense.
The message is that behavior we saw on Jan 6 is OK, protected by the first amendment in fact.
I'm sure if a Black Lives Matter protest got out of hand, and they attacked the capital, they would be treated the same.
Well....except for all of them being killed before they even made it to the steps of the Capital building...but other than that, they would be treated the same I'm sure.
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@Sidewalker
Riots are fine if they are pro MAGA riots (and if Trump says the truth, then his followers will believe it).
Yeah; Trump should have gotten killed in Butler.
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@WyIted
BLM riots and attacked cops spent less than 2 weeks in jail.
It would have been less than 2 weeks, but there's red tape in blue states for the DA to "officially" drop the cases.
BLM riots and attacked cops spent less than 2 weeks in jail.It would have been less than 2 weeks, but there's red tape in blue states for the DA to "officially" drop the cases.
Trump should pardon them too.
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@WyIted
Did you know a lot of people who participated in the BLM riots and attacked cops spent less than 2 weeks in jail.
No, I didn't. If you show me specific examples and can explain the details which show that your narrative is complete and accurate I will have no problem admitting that this is wrong. That is of course, a big if, and in my experience right wing claims like this normally turn out to be BS that sounds good because it's based on a kernel of truth while brazenly disregarding key facts in the case.
Regardless, all of that is completely and totally irrelevant to this conversation. Not only because two wrongs do not make a right, but also because I care far far less about what charges some random prosecutor in NY or Minnesota decided to drop than I do about the purposeful decision made by the President of the United States to pardon violent rioters en masse who beat up police officers on his behalf. And if you were honest, you would too. But you're not, so here we are, so instead all you do is engage in whataboutism after whataboutism because you can't just admit the obvious truth that what Trump did is deeply wrong.
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@Double_R
than I do about the purposeful decision made by the President of the United States to pardon violent rioters
Name one actual "violent rioter" that you specifically have an issue with that got a pardon.
Or continue to pretend you care.
Name one actual "violent rioter" that you specifically have an issue with that got a pardon.Or continue to pretend you care.
How many died on 6 January?
Within 36 hours, five people died: one was shot by the Capitol Police, another died of a drug overdose, and three died of natural causes, including a police officer who died of natural causes a day after being assaulted by rioters. Many people were injured, including 174 police officers. making it one of the most violent days for law enforcement in recent U.S. ...
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@Greyparrot
Name one actual "violent rioter" that you specifically have an issue with that got a pardon.
Pull up any of the hundreds of videos available at your finger tips right now showing rioters beating on police officers. Every single person in those videos was pardoned. You can't be this stupid to think you found some sort of gotcha by asking me to tell you their names.
Or did you think the 140 plus capitol police officers who were injured that day, including some who lost limbs, is completely unrelated to the fact that they just got ransacked by a violent mob?
Why do you bother? What is the point of engaging in conversation when you can't defend your position so instead have to play these stupid games?
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@Double_R
Again, thanks for your silence and concession.
There were two groups on January 6: "the walkers", who are guilty of nothing except trespassing in a government building they didn't have permission to be inside (democracy can be a little messy at times), and "the scum", who are guilty of vandalism, assaulting cops, attempted kidnapping, etc.
While most of the walkers are probably decent people and it wasn't unreasonable to give them pardons, I will agree that the scum needed to be held fully accountable for their actions, and that it's a travesty this didn't happen. Trump could've taken this slow, reviewed each individual case, and made a decision (or left this up to a team of advisors to make final recommendations to him), but instead he rushed the process and went with an undeserved blanket pardon.