Das Kapital by Karl Marx - Quotes and Summary of a book

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Not sure if worms ever had comparative brain power.

Though like worms we function as per coding.

Though unlike worms we also like to think that we don't.
You appear to be competing against worms.
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What's with the cat video thing?
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Worms is as worms does.

They will perhaps outlive humanity.

They might also live in us.
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What's with the cat video thing?
Contrary to popular belief, making population stupid does have disadvantages.

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Shila and BK.

Thanks for an entertaining evening.


Good night.
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Pleasure.
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Pleasure
You earned you points again.
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Hi Zed, do you think that a commune is an example of communism? A commune being defined as "a group of people living together and sharing possessions and responsibilities".

If yes, then do you think that any communes have ever been successful?

Perhaps communism works best with very small populations.

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Well, communes can be reasonably peaceful associations of people.

If members abides by the rules.

Which for sure, are easier to establish and maintain if populations are small and well vetted.

So there will inevitably be a certain level of hierarchy and control, already in place and ongoing.


Put two people in a room and in one way or another, one will eventually dominate the other.


Everyone is different and unequal.

Forcing people to be equal, is a contradiction.
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Everyone is different and unequal
Contrary to popular YouTube belief, Communism has nothing to do with making all people equal.

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Everyone is different and unequal
Contrary to popular YouTube belief, Communism has nothing to do with making all people equal.

Does communism promote equity?
Hence the "equality" in a communist society is not about total equality or equality of outcome, but about equal and free access to the articles of consumption. Marx argued that free access to consumption would enable individuals to overcome alienation.

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True.

But what I'm saying is that  in reality, a communist system is no different to any other system.

There will always be those at the top, those at the bottom and all those inbetweeners.

Though what we've seen of so called communist systems, always tend to be at the harsher and more brutal end of the human dignity scale.

You didn't see the party elite queuing around the block for bread during the Soviet era.


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But what I'm saying is that  in reality, a communist system is no different to any other system.
Sure it is.

"From each according to ability" makes sure that everyone who can contribute contributes, if we wants to gain all benefits from community.

"To each according to need" means that every individual, every child, every disabled person...ect. gets all what he needs to be smart, free and productive.

Karl Marx has described the foundations in a simple sentence. Now we must build on those foundations.
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Nope.

That's just Marxist bullshit you're paraphrasing.

I don't think that the millions who under Mr Lenin's guidance were either executed or starved to death,  would have agreed with you.
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That's just Marxist bullshit you're paraphrasing
Its a framework set by Karl Marx.

I don't think that the millions who under Mr Lenin's guidance were either executed or starved to
Not sure what Lenin has to do with Karl Marx.

But have you read Lenin's works on imperialism?
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Not sure what Lenin has to do with Karl Marx.

Ideologically, quite a lot.






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Ideologically, quite a lot.
If you are a Christian, are you responsible for what every other Christian does?
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If you are a Christian, are you responsible for what every other Christian does?

Am I responsible for someone else's salvation?
Yes, God will examine our works to see who we brought to Christ. While we do not “save” anyone, God does that, we have to do our part to help each other keep and find the faith.

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If you are a Christian, are you responsible for what every other Christian does?


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

No.

But a Christian is ideologically associated with every other Christian.

Just as Lenin ideologically associated himself with Marx.


You were eulogising the efficiency of a Marxist system.

I was saying that there were millions of people who wouldn't have had such faith in Lenin's Marxist vision...As they starved to death.


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But a Christian is ideologically associated with every other Christian.
So what Lenin does is not in any way the fault of Marx.

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Hmmmmmmmmm.  

No.

But was Lenin's Marxist vision a good example of Marxist ideology in practice?

It was you who were extolling the virtues of Marxism and decrying capitalism.

I was simply saying that Marxism was unworkable twaddle, as exemplified by Leninist brutality.

At least millions don't starve to death in the USA.

Actually, I think that quite a lot, eat themselves to death.

Such is the efficiency of capitalism.
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It was you who were extolling the virtues of Marxism and decrying capitalism.
I was telling the virtues of Marx, not Lenin.

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It was you who were extolling the virtues of Marxism and decrying capitalism.
I was telling the virtues of Marx, not Lenin.
What did Lenin believe?
Leninism (Russian: Ленинизм, Leninizm) is a political ideology developed by Russian Marxist revolutionary Vladimir Lenin that proposes the establishment of the dictatorship of the proletariat led by a revolutionary vanguard party as the political prelude to the establishment of communism.

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Lenin established a totalitarian state.
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Lenin established a totalitarian state.

Who started communism in Russia?
Vladimir Lenin, founder of the Soviet Union and the leader of the Bolshevik party.