The Fatima Sun miracle.

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The video you posted is people screaming in English. Which means it is not of Fatima, because Fatima is in Portugal...
Yes which I was up front about. That video was in france/

May have been a voice over?

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That's possible. I have found several more of these videos though on YouTube and just posted what I thought was the best one. Most have an average of less than 100 views and people in the comments are like "praise Jesus" . 
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That's possible. I have found several more of these videos though on YouTube and just posted what I thought was the best one. Most have an average of less than 100 views and people in the comments are like "praise Jesus" . 
Can you please check the authenticity of the videos before posting them. That is the least you can do.
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I am afraid I have a life
And you don't want any accountability.
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I am a very skeptical person. So it would take me approximately 500 hours to verify enough for my own satisfaction 
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Quick question:

Have you tried to video the sun yourself with your phone?  Maybe you can reproduce the same results.
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I agree with FLRW, that the sun actually moving towards and away from the Earth would be physically impossible to not create Solar System wide destruction.  I do believe in miracles and have seen a few myself, BUT this stuff being claimed by the Catholic Church makes me EXTREMELY skeptical.  Mass hysteria can happen especially when you want whatever happening to happen.
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Ok,ok, your IQ is over 130.   I have sent you a friend request.
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I have sent you a friend request.
Yeah! I'll check this one off my bucket list!

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Ok,ok, your IQ is over 130.   I have sent you a friend request.
Now you want to wrap yourself in others IQ.
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See About me in my profile.
It says:
I also only Friend people that in my opinion have an IQ greater than 130.


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See About me in my profile.
It says:
I also only Friend people that in my opinion have an IQ greater than 130.
I remember you sending me a friends request. I was already over 130 then.
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  I do believe in miracles and have seen a few myself, 
When?
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What do you mean reproduce the same results? I literally said in the video that the sun was behaving normally. What would be the point of reproducing normal results
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What do you mean reproduce the same results? I literally said in the video that the sun was behaving normally. What would be the point of reproducing normal results
so it wasn’t a miracle. Just another day.
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What do you mean reproduce the same results? I literally said in the video that the sun was behaving normally. What would be the point of reproducing normal results
I suppose so you could have a full disclosure for your own eyes and not someone else's representation. 
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  I do believe in miracles and have seen a few myself, 
When?

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When?
I know that there are times that a miracle can be explained by medical science as a "highly unusual case" when someone recovers from a terminal disease, but this one happened in front of my eyes.

There was a girl that I grew up with that when she was 16 or so, one of her legs stopped working.  Her nerves were not responding and so she had to walk around with a cane.  The doctors were baffled as to the condition or a cure so she was left figuring that she was a cripple for life.  She had been prayed for multiple times for months and nothing happened.  Then one night as I was wrapping up the sound stuff for camp meeting (I was running the sound at the time) this girl came to the front after church to be prayed for again and she went through the same old way, ask for prayer from the preachers, raise hands and close eyes, hoping God will do something.  TBH, I did a quick mumbled prayer while wrapping up cords and mentally lining up my sound equipment.  I was busy and she never got healed before.  Then she opened her eyes wide, a huge smile on her face, she looked down as she moved her lame leg about.  She never has had that cane again.  That is the miracle that I saw that I cannot deny or anyone's word of mouth. 


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Full disclosure of what? The sun behaving normally. I literally see that every day?
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If something really does happen, then it is not a miracle.
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If something really does happen, then it is not a miracle.
Why, is it because miracles don’t happen?
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If something really does happen, then it is not a miracle.
What are you referring to?  The medical recoveries or the girl with the lame leg?

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If something really does happen, then it is not a miracle.
What are you referring to?  The medical recoveries or the girl with the lame leg?
It was the miraculous healing of the girls leg.
“Then she opened her eyes wide, a huge smile on her face, she looked down as she moved her lame leg about.  She never has had that cane again.  That is the miracle that I saw that I cannot deny or anyone's word of mouth. ”
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If something really does happen then it is not a miracle.

Is a self explanatory statement.


If someone genuinely had an injured leg, and recovered successfully from that injury, then it wasn't a miracle.

Seemingly fit people, often die suddenly... Is this also a miracle?


Nope, the type of miraculous event you refer to, usually comes with a weighted agenda, that necessitates deception and requires a preconditioned gullible audience.
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  I do believe in miracles and have seen a few myself, 
When?

There was a girl that I grew up with that when she was 16 or so, one of her legs stopped working.  Her nerves were not responding and so she had to walk around with a cane.  The doctors were baffled as to the condition or a cure so she was left figuring that she was a cripple for life.  She had been prayed for multiple times for months and nothing happened.  Then one night as I was wrapping up the sound stuff for camp meeting (I was running the sound at the time) this girl came to the front after church to be prayed for again and she went through the same old way, ask for prayer from the preachers, raise hands and close eyes, hoping God will do something.  TBH, I did a quick mumbled prayer while wrapping up cords and mentally lining up my sound equipment.  I was busy and she never got healed before.  Then she opened her eyes wide, a huge smile on her face, she looked down as she moved her lame leg about.  She never has had that cane again.  That is the miracle that I saw that I cannot deny or anyone's word of mouth. 

Without the background no one knows what what caused her to gain control of her leg.Could have been psychological? 

TBH, I did a quick mumbled prayer
I am really interested in this part so please indulge me.
What was the content of your rushed and mumbled prayer while also being  busy and preoccupied with your sound system?

You said " I seen a few myself, ".
What about the others? Can you tell us about those?


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You can't define miracle out of existence that way. It is an event that breaks natural law as natural law is known. So for example, supernatural events.

If they happen routinely than no it wouldn't be considered a miracle, but since if they do occur they seem to break the laws discovered by science than they are considered a miracle until some explanation that fits with in the laws of secular science is made or until the laws of secular science are modified to account for the miracle
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You can't define miracle out of existence that way. It is an event that breaks natural law as natural law is known. So for example, supernatural events.

If they happen routinely than no it wouldn't be considered a miracle, but since if they do occur they seem to break the laws discovered by science than they are considered a miracle until some explanation that fits with in the laws of secular science is made or until the laws of secular science are modified to account for the miracle

It was prayer that healed her leg. That is a miracle. The person who prayed for her was a witness to the miracle.

this girl came to the front after church to be prayed for again and she went through the same old way, ask for prayer from the preachers, raise hands and close eyes, hoping God will do something.  TBH, I did a quick mumbled prayer while wrapping up cords and mentally lining up my sound equipment.  I was busy and she never got healed before.  Then she opened her eyes wide, a huge smile on her face, she looked down as she moved her lame leg about.  She never has had that cane again.  That is the miracle that I saw that I cannot deny or anyone's word of mouth.

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If something really does happen then it is not a miracle.
I see what you are saying, except the healing didn't happen over time or by a doctor's direction.  Rather it happened at the time of prayer.  Therefore, it is not the basic course of nature when a leg is injured and it will slowly heal.

Also, since something did happen, it doesn't mean that it did happen on its natural course.  We can study obvious normal activities of the process of life and such, but when something jumps out of the norm, we can assume an intervention of some sort.  A catalyst if you will.  I believe that catalyst is God.

Nope, the type of miraculous event you refer to, usually comes with a weighted agenda, that necessitates deception and requires a preconditioned gullible audience.
Not so.  You are used to TV evangelists and the such touting huge miracles and also huge paychecks due to the deception of the masses.  This girl was my friend, I knew her and her family well, she limped on a cane for months, then afterwards, she had no cane.  There was no press conference, no "shouting from the rooftops".  God was just kind in this girl's situation.  Also, it was at a time after service when everyone was leaving quickly to prepare themselves and families to go to camp meeting.  If this was done to get the people's attention, then the preachers would have called her up before church was over and make a scene about it.  

You also state "Usually", which I underlined in your response.  Is there a time when it is not?
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Without the background no one knows what what caused her to gain control of her leg.Could have been psychological? 
Possible, but if that is the case, then the psychological problem was healed at the point of prayer.

What was the content of your rushed and mumbled prayer while also being  busy and preoccupied with your sound system?
Like I said, I used to run the sound equipment for the church so at the time, I had to use the same sound equipment from the church building out at the camp site.  So I was rushing right after service to start wrapping up cords, microphones, speakers, the soundboard, etc.  The next service was the next night at the camp, so I needed everything in order so I didn't have to make a trip back into town if I forgot something.  

You said " I seen a few myself, ".
What about the others? Can you tell us about those?
Another is that I saw the medical documents of an unborn baby's ultrasound that the doctor said the baby didn't have any kidneys.  The church prayed and the kid developed kidneys.  Another is an old lady in the church was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and was given 4 months max to live.  That was 2 years ago.  These can be explained away by someone who is skeptical but there are many more that don't involve medical issues but I use medical miracles since they can defy science.