The Fatima Sun miracle.

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I was looking at the Fatima Sun miracle. For those who don't know about it, Google it, but it was a very convincing miracle for me. 

There was 70,000 people who were first hand witnesses to the sun dancing around the sky, hurting towards earth than backing off. The sun spinning in place etc. Etc.

I was thinking. This is some solid evidence of God and more specifically evidence for the Catholic faith. 

I mean 70,000 people witnessed this. Let's say 25% of that crown is retarded or liars. Than we still have like 50,000 people who will call them on their bullshit. 

So I became convinced. No way would there be so many gullible people in one place at one time.


Then it happened. I went on YouTube. I ran into video after video of people with cameras pointed at the sun. The sun would look perfectly normal and they would say it moved, every time a cloud floated in front of it. They would say it was coming at them, whe. It was standing still. I am talking multiple videos of people convinced they are seeing a miracle. 


This video is probably the best example I found. 




I promise from here on out to be more willing to consider mass delusion as an explanation for things. I didn't want to think mass delusion could could play out this way. I thought of it more like a contagion but I was wrong. This saddens me greatly and I lost a bit of faith today, not just in God and perhaps worse than that. I lost faith in people.
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Personally I assume it was just the sun, maybe appearing to do something, maybe not,
But for the sake of argument, of the event, not of miracles,

Can all video and picture cameras, capture what the human eye can?
Cheap flip phones I've owned, always did poorly on pictures of the moon.

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I thought of that as well but don't buy it here, particularly with the "spinning" part bit 
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Additionally I see that The Miracle of Fatima was before video cameras,

"the Miracle of Fátima, is a series of events reported to have occurred miraculously on 13 October 1917, attended by a large crowd who had gathered in Fátima, Portugal"

I'm not sure 'what location, time, event, people, the video you posted is from,
The video description says "Ireland among the Travelling community",
But for all I know it could have been a video made by Anti-Theists to discredit religion.
Probably not, but I don't know the videos origin or specifics, how many 'people for example.
A handful of people is not the same as 70,000.

Additionally, even if one crowd experiences a mass delusion,
It does not mean all crowd experiences are mass delusions.
. . .

You 'did say video after video though,
So, it's likely you've searched, read, and viewed more on the topic than me.
. . .

Also after watching the video in post #1 again,
I'm not sure the woman is talking about 'seeing anyone in the sun,
'Sounds like she might just be thanking God and talking about seeing God in his creation.

The woman says "I can see the (sun?son)? of God"
The possibly biased person who is oversetting their type in the video types 'son, but why not 'sun of God?
. . . I admit though, that I do not know about origin/specifics/people of video.
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I have read quite a bit of this over the years.

I suppose that if one is silly enough to stare at the sun too long they will see it dance across the sky and in all directions. 

It  is said that it was reported at the time that  3 children were watching their flocks (May 13 1917) when they had a  vision of  "a woman in a bright glow". This happened months before  the sky phenomenon and  the woman hadn't said that  she was the Virgin Mary only that she was "from heaven and that they - the children - should return every month until October" when a public miracle would take place "so that everyone may believe". .. Believe what exactly!?  Why didn't she just "appear from a bright light" to the thousands assembled on any other of the months she was supposed to meet the kids!? 

What I found interesting is that the children say that they first seen a flash of bright light "falling and from the light came the woman".  All very UFO. 🤔


Only one of the children heard the "Voice of the Lady". On the second occasion (June) Lucia, the oldest of the three was seen to "address an unseen entity whose answers were not heard by 50 others in attendance.

Sound all very biblical with people watching flocks Luke 2:8  and having visions and hearing voices that no one else hears: St Paul and his Road to Damascus moment.


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There was 70,000 people who were first hand witnesses to the sun dancing around the sky, hurting towards earth than backing off. The sun spinning in place etc. Etc.
Well, sure, when I use Lumenate app, I also see dancing light.


I was thinking. This is some solid evidence of God and more specifically evidence for the Catholic faith.
Well, there is one small problem with this "evidence". If Sun was moving, it would be seen by billions around the world.

Now, 70.000 is still a great number, and such mass hallucination isnt considered likely by science, since its very uncommon for such great number of people to have same hallucination at once. You rarely see two people having same hallucination.

So it could be God revealing himself to some but not to others. I guess God could do that.
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St Paul and his Road to Damascus moment.
This is what is making me a bit more skeptical of that story as well. Before realizing how easily people are duped and I still don't want to believe it but I literally just watched this documentary of a couple. 

The male had fallen for an obvious Nigerian scam, but it gets worse. His wife killed him for the money he was "getting" from the Nigerian scammer
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Sound all very biblical with people watching flocks Luke 2:8  and having visions and hearing voices that no one else hears:St Paul and his Road to Damascus moment.
This is what is making me a bit more skeptical of that story as well.

 It may be a case that something unusual occurred and when the church got wind of the story decided to embellish it with their own take on what "really" happened.

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It may be a case that something unusual occurred and when the church got wind of the story decided to embellish it with their own take on what "really" happened.

Hard to fool that many people in a crowd about an event they attended.
I mean 70,000 people witnessed this. Let's say 25% of that crown is retarded or liars. Than we still have like 50,000 people who will call them on their bullshit.
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here is a mass sighting of the virgin Mary in egypt over a few years

there's also Lourdes and the miracles associated with that apparition site. and the incorrupt body of the visiionary who is incorrupt to this day. 

and there's stigmata in catholic circles, such as Padre PIO and St Francis. there's many supernatural looking things with padre PIO. 

there's Eucharistic miraces. such as the ongoing one at lanciano. 

there's incorreput saints in cathologisim and the eastern Orthodox, 

there's the science of the afterlife, 'evidence of the afrerlife' by doctor jeffrey long, 

to say there's no evidence of the supernatural, or at least the afterlife, is idiotic. willfully blind 
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what do you think of my last post? 
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So Angilcanism it is. ?.??  
Guys? . 
It was clearly Anglican right ? 

Im kinda happy it wasnt Catholic 
No way was that catholic hey ? 
You seen how white it was. 
And 
It definitely wasnt  Protestant.
As we can see that clearly  in the ( 49 second ) 
See that. 
It was way to bright and round  to be protestant soooooo.m
Hang about .
Look 1.21 seconds  into the video, 
It appered to be latter dayer , 
Did you see that.
Wtf. 
and then , not even a half a second later, 1.22 it was pentecostal. 

Any of you guys get exactly what Christian group that thing was from. ?  

I'm so so confused right now. 

Ok .
After Watching over the video a dozen more times. 
Im close to certain its Anglican.

The 2.14 andddd at the 1.33 min mark. 
Yep Definitely Anglican. 

Altough. 
You could easily mistske  The yellowish left hand side part for a cathlioc . 
Stuffs me. 

At least we alllll know now that
A actual God or Gods exist.   

Let us now rule out the obvious Christian group that that thing wasnt from.  
Christian group #  18,729
Definitely not right. 
Nor would it of been Christian group # 82.  
Christian # 371 ? 
No ,   yes. ,  maybe. 
Although it resembles that from Christian  # 371 
It is stilll way to white to be. 
Its more like a Christian # 27,164 
Or a cross between # 15 and # 429
No not # 429 i mean # 942. 
Although it appears for a long time ruling out  # 942. 
It could even be # 5913. 
But there was no green lines hey. ? 

For some fucked up reason , i thought i would see god existing and know exactly where to go from there. 

Is there any volume come from the light thing ? 
If not we could rule out Christian groups # 4822 ,  #319  ' # 49  # 5918
Along with  group # 1. To  #10.

Whatever it is that the women is saying doesn't really matter much assssssss shes only a women . 
And women aint very knowledgeable on religious matters. 
Soooooo


Im going to give it some time to sink in. .

Maybe one of you guys can help me out with this one. 
My now knew theistic brothers. 

If anyone says its from Christian  # 3999 i will personally slap them myself.


Hey is there any chance i can get a Amen ? 





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here is a mass sighting of the virgin Mary in egypt over a few years
there's also Lourdes and the miracles associated with that apparition site. and the incorrupt body of the visiionary who is incorrupt to this day. 
Yep. Been happening ever since the world began.  Sumerians speak about them as does a few characters from the biblical age.  
And there is this:
5 Bizarre Accounts From History of UFO Sightings (74 BC - 1896) // Primary Sources


UFO's in medieval art have always interested me. Such as The Baptism of  Christ  by Dutch artist Aert de Gelde in 1710.

One has to ask, what was the inspiration?
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UFO's in medieval art have always interested me. Such as The Baptism of  Christ  by Dutch artist Aert de Gelde in 1710.

One has to ask, what was the inspiration?
The knowledge that we are not alone.

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I reckon if i set a ( bush on fire ) 
I'd get that bitch to cum. 
Fucking easy as. 


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I reckon if i set a ( bush on fire )  
I'd get that bitch to cum. 
Fucking easy as. 
Lighting a match
To celebrate my fart.
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Hang on a second. 

The whole bright light in the sky totally takes your mind off the first thing you actually think about when you read this post. 
That being ( no dont say it Deb ) 

THAT BEING .
The horrible name that is.  Fatima. 
Now i get that its popular as and its a bit rude in me saying this buttttttttt

AS soon as alllll you guys read the name Fatima, as youve done easy a dozen times before .
  you smirked at yourself . 

YOU DO. 

But you alllllll fail to bring up how ugly you think it sounds for fear of getting ya little head chopped off. 
Boo fucking who. 

Say it to youself .
Fatima.
See mutha fucker. You just laughed at it. 

As for the bright light thing . 
Whatever.  
Who cares. 

But Naming ya  daughter Fatima. 
Well. 
Well. 
Thats just fucked up. 
Id rather call her,  Russell.   

Thats just mine and alll of your opinions.

I know you guys.  
I know you guys. 

Your welcome.  

Sorry whats that. ?
You dont like the name muhammad either.  ?

Yeah well Id keep quiet about that. 
Thats a totally diffrent post all together. 

Moving on. 

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UFO's in medieval art have always interested me. Such as The Baptism of  Christ  by Dutch artist Aert de Gelde in 1710.

One has to ask, what was the inspiration?
The knowledge that we are not alone.

I have to agree Shila.

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what do you think of my last post? 
I don't have an opinion right now but am curious enough to add some youtube videos to my work Playlist about it
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No videos that will give me a fatima please.  
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The video you posted is people screaming in English. Which means it is not of Fatima, because Fatima is in Portugal...

So how does this, or other videos discredit the Miracle of the Sun???? Because some crazy people think they see a miracle when it is not, therefore all sun miracles are false? 
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The fatima phallus 
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The sun dancing around the sky, hurting towards earth then backing off defies physics. It is not possible.
I know, I know, smart people are atheists.
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The video you posted is people screaming in English. Which means it is not of Fatima, because Fatima is in Portugal...
Yes which I was up front about. That video was in france

So how does this, or other videos discredit the Miracle of the Sun???? Because some crazy people think they see a miracle when it is not, therefore all sun miracles are false? 
I think the best argument that the miracle of Fatima was realistic that an apparent 70k people saw this event. This of course went away for me when that as well as several other videos showing the mass delusions of large crowds that were in a similar fashion to what may have happened in Fatima. 

This doesn't disprove the miracle of the sun in Fatima, it just seems like a more probable explanation than a miracle
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The video you posted is people screaming in English. Which means it is not of Fatima, because Fatima is in Portugal...

So how does this, or other videos discredit the Miracle of the Sun???? Because some crazy people think they see a miracle when it is not, therefore all sun miracles are false? 
Towards the end of the video it mentions Ireland. The sun never shines like that in Ireland. That is why the people saw it as a miracle.
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Being an Atheist does not prevent people from seeing something 'appear to happen, or from believing something 'did happen,
Nor does being a Theist prevent people from thinking there are other causes for the sun miracle than the sun 'itself
"dancing around the sky, hurting towards earth then backing off"

Additionally I argue why would God be bound by 'your technological abilities?
A caveman may argue that it is physically impossible for a hunk of metal to fly, but is that not simply the caveman's lack of power and knowledge?

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"A Scientist Witnesses the Miracle of the Sun
Dr. Almeida Garrett, Professor of Natural Sciences at Coimbra University, described it as follows:
The sun's disc did not remain immobile. This was not the sparkling of a heavenly body, for it spun round on itself in a mad whirl, when suddenly a clamor was heard from all the people. The sun, whirling, seemed to loosen itself from the firmament and advance threateningly upon the earth as if to crush us with its huge fiery weight. The sensation during those moments was terrible."

"The stunning event was a direct and very convincing contradiction to the atheistic regimes at the time, which is evidenced by the fact that the first newspaper to report on the miracle on a full front page was an anti-Catholic, Masonic newspaper in Lisbon called O Seculo."

"On October 15, 1917, Avelino de Almeida, 44, an agnostic and freemasonic1 journalist for “O Século”, writes his account of what he witnessed 2 days earlier in Fatima, Portugal: The miracle of the Sun.

His account of the miracle is written as a response letter to a non-believer friend that he hadn’t communicated with in twenty years, but his friend is now curious to hear Almeida’s account which, in Almeida’s own words, is "unbiased"2.

Almeida confirms he was a witness to the event, but even though with the sun danced to him and to thousands of others people, it seems that his personal disbelief has not been shaken.

Personally I'm still an Atheist, I just think your post puts blinders on Atheists and gives them a false sense of ability by the mere label of not believing in God, and is dismissive of the complexities of humans.

Are you saying that the sun shone normally that day in Fatima?
I'm not asking whether you think there was a miracle, but whether you think from that location the sun 'appeared and acted significantly different.

I hear some people do define miracles as even everyday events or unusual occurrences in the natural world, should those events bring them meaning, experience, closeness with God.

Or feel blessed, to be in improbable fortunate situations, such as the sun shining like that in Ireland.
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Additionally I argue why would God be bound by 'your technological abilities?
Because he made a Universe that used atoms to make objects.


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Are you saying that the sun shone normally that day in Fatima?
I am not sure about that. I thinknperhaps there was a cloud like mist in front of that, which made it easier to see and I have seen rainbow circles around the sun in the past after a rain. They described the ground as wet so this type of rainbow isn't out of the realm of possibilities. I don't think the sun appeared as it did any other day. It likely had a few things that were unusual about it, or atleast the environment it was witnessed in. If the people had not shown up expecting a miracle I don't think they would have noticed anything  and they were occupied by atheistic communists at the time and subverting them so people may have wanted to even play along if it was only say 20% of fools who actually believed they saw something miraculous. The reasons others may have exaggerated would potentially be to "stick it to the man". 

It's not an odd thing we even currently have silent conspiracy. For example the left claim to believe that Daniel Penny det out to murder random black people in the infamous day we have heard so much about. 

Right wing equivalents don't really exist to that degree because we are less able to lie to ourselves but the falsely professed belief that the election was stolen may be one. Most of us know it wasn't but just want to piss off liberals or we define stolen in a very general and generic way as for it to lose meaning.

You see the response to it was for the RNC to play hardball a bit, which they normally suck ag doing. So the pretending to believe the claim was beneficial. I suppose that some widespread I eternal lie that is not to be spoken of, could have occurred due to the oppression of catholics in that area at the time

I'm not asking whether you think there was a miracle, but whether you think from that location the sun 'appeared and acted significantly different.

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I hear some people do define miracles as even everyday events or unusual occurrences in the natural world, should those events bring them meaning, experience, closeness with God.

Or feel blessed, to be in improbable fortunate situations, such as the sun shining like that in Ireland.
If it is a miracle, let’s call it a miracle or call it what it is …an amazing video.
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Sooooooo. 
Its safe to say. 
The appearance of X isn't always X.  
For examp .   
The appearance of magic isn't magic. 

A mirical and an amazing video aint in the same ball park.  
Magic and miracles may as well be the same thing. 

As you see here ladies and gents i have a plain empty black bucket. 
With a shake of my hand and a funny little chant
Ogger 
Boggger. 
the empty bucket is now full with fish.