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@ebuc
The evangelical right has fought against birth control for thousands of years,
What does this have to do with the price of tea in China?

The thread is about whether or not a fetus is legally or morally property, not sperm.

You earlier said a 9 month old fetus in the womb is the same thing as sperm or eggs.
Are you reconsidering that position?
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The thread is about whether or not a fetus is legally or morally property, not sperm.
Are you property?
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legally or morally?
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Are you legally a property?
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I was gonna say no, but what are extradition treaties all about if not for declaring national citizens as property to be claimed?
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Good answer.
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Sadly, the government can create extradition treaties for a fetus as well :(
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There is a difference between preventing conception and killing an unborn baby after conception. If you can't tell the difference, you are not worth my time.
Both are attempts at denying conception.
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If you can't tell the difference, you are not worth my time.
Shila is not worth your time.
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If you can't tell the difference, you are not worth my time.
Shila is not worth your time
Who are you to make that judgement. You are unknown even to yourself.
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lol. Sounds like you don’t know what abortion is. I’m done with you.
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lol. Sounds like you don’t know what abortion is. I’m done with you.
Abortion is the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, most often performed during the first 28 weeks of pregnancy.


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OGP, I was very clear in the post I referenced --#6--  you too last time.  If your unclear, copy and paste comment you dont grasp
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Abortion is the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, most often performed during the first 28 weeks of pregnancy.
This is a false definition. Do you know what else terminates a pregnancy?

A live birth.
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You earlier said a 9 month old fetus in the womb is the same thing as sperm or eggs.
Are you reconsidering that position?
The combined sperm and egg is called a zygote. The zygote contains all of the genetic information (DNA) needed to become a baby.

Your little zygote has now officially turned into an embryo. About eight weeks after fertilization (roughly week 10 of pregnancy), the embryo will turn into what's known as a fetus. From there, it's only about 30 more weeks until you'll hold a little bundle of joy in your arms.
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Aren't all of us property legally ?

The authorities grant you rights to another with stipulations and may be forfeited over to the state , government, authorities.
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How do you define "personhood"?
I am not trying to be snarky or anything. I am genuinely curious as to how people define that.
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How do you define "personhood"?
I am not trying to be snarky or anything. I am genuinely curious as to how people define that.
Personhood definition.

1. the state or fact of being a person. 2. the state or fact of being an individual or having human characteristics and feelings. a harsh prison system that deprives prisoners of their personhood
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That is not a very good definition.
You basically just said "personhood is personhood."
You did not say anything to clarify what it is.
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That is not a very good definition.
You basically just said "personhood is personhood."
You did not say anything to clarify what it is.
Personhood definition.

1. the state or fact of being a person.
2. the state or fact of being an individual or having human characteristics and feelings. a harsh prison system that deprives prisoners of their personhood.

Personhood is an individual with human characteristics.

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. the state or fact of being a person.
A good definition will not use the word it is trying to define in its own definition. Person and personhood are synonymous when being defined. 
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Good luck
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The fetus/baby is not and independent individual, until;

1} is is born out,

2} taken its first in-spirited{ inspiriation } of air,

3} and the umbilical chord is severed.

Logical common sense critical thinking often leads to a more refined truth, explanation, conlusion etc.
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Is your definition of personhood:an independent individual
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. the state or fact of being a person.
A good definition will not use the word it is trying to define in its own definition. Person and personhood are synonymous when being defined. 
All dictionaries describe the individual characteristics of a person as personhood.
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Is your definition of personhood:an independent individual

Pregnant womans fertilized human  egg is human.

Does person = human?

Does person = fetus/baby?

Does person = womans egg that has been fertilized for less than 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 milliseconds?

Person and person hood is mind game when it comes to pregnants womans morality of having bodily autonomy i.e. others should keep their nose out of her business unless she gives her consent, other wise,  it is virtual rape by other virtual busy body virtual nose. 

Trumpet and cult of MAFiA like to play mind games and avoid logical common sense critical thinking, when it comes to morality of truth.
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Your line of thought stems from a denial of the very basis of logic and critical thinking. 

Definitions tell us what the thing is. If we don't know what it is, how can we make any judgment of the morality of it? This is not a mind game. It is the whole point we are discussing here.

I do not think it is "virtual rape" as you call it, to judge if the morality of intentionally terminating a pregnancy prematurely is right or not. 

The whole debate is whether or not what is in the womb is a human. We need a definition for that or we cannot make any judgment.

You are avoiding the question. What is the definition of personhood?
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The whole debate is whether or not what is in the womb is a human. We need a definition for that or we cannot make any judgment.

A human person is human life, but among philosophers there is no consensus as to whether all human entities including the zygote, embryo and fetus constitute human persons.
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What is the definition of personhood?

Find a dictionary you like and get a definition. Is that going to be the only definition found in all dictionaries?

Try the court systems definitions for personhood, and then check it against every court system in every nation.

Your the one not using logical common sense critical thinking. I was clear. Your want to play mind games.

Turmpet and cult of MAFiA is good at that as are the conservative supreme court justices.
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I am not playing mind games. I don't care for those. You are not being g clear because you are not answering the question.

If you don't know, it is fine to say you don't know. I admit it a difficult thing to define. But I do not think it is impossible.

Logic and critical thinking require knowing what a thing is to make a proper judgment of it. That is the very basis of all logic and critical thinking.