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@Shila
America ranks 48 in education in the world. None of your discussions will improve the quality of education in America.
How does the second sentence follow from the first?
What if colleges accepted 100% of applicants?
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@Savant
America ranks 48 in education in the world. None of your discussions will improve the quality of education in America.How does the second sentence follow from the first?
America has a problem with its educational system. That is why it is ranked 48 in the world. None of your discussions will improve the quality of education in America.
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@Shila
No, but the policy might if it were implemented.
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@Savant
No, but the policy might if it were implemented.
Increasing the admission rate will not improve the education standard. You were discussing admission rates and cost.
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@Shila
Consolidating all the best resources and teachers in one curriculum and giving everyone access to it might improve the education standard. Also lowering the cost of college would allow more people to attend. Those are likely indirect effects of my proposal.
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@Savant
Consolidating all the best resources and teachers in one curriculum and giving everyone access to it might improve the education standard. Also lowering the cost of college would allow more people to attend. Those are likely indirect effects of my proposal.
Biden tried lowering the cost of education by college grants and hiring better quality teachers. But that did not change the ranking.
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@Shila
That's a small change and will take a while to actually take effect. Jumping a rank takes a while, and much of that is measuring the effects of primary and elementary education, not education in specialized fields.
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@Savant
If they accept everyone and give virtual degrees, this would be a bit like Facebook having millions of users.
virtual degrees are really the only way this could be feasible, along with the introduction of AI for grading
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@Savant
That's a small change and will take a while to actually take effect. Jumping a rank takes a while, and much of that is measuring the effects of primary and elementary education, not education in specialized fields.
The problem with education in America is the distraction students face.
1. Shooting in schools.
2. Gender selective toilets.
3. Book banning.
4. LGTB discrimination.
5. DEI discrimination.
To list a few……
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@lacr3000
AI for grading
Well you can use the increased revenue to hire more TAs.
The problem with education in America is the distraction students face.
That's not the only factor that impacts educational quality. The quality of teachers is a major factor as well, for example.
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@Shila
Sorry, forgot to tag.
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@Savant
Sorry, forgot to tag.
Even good teachers have to deal with the distractions. Thus reducing their talent .
The problem with education in America is the distraction students face.
1. Shooting in schools.
2. Gender selective toilets.
3. Book banning.
4. LGTB discrimination.
5. DEI discrimination.
To list a few……
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@Shila
Even good teachers have to deal with the distractions.
Ok, but I didn't say this would reduce all distractions. You're bringing up a factor my plan wasn't intended to address. Why would improving teacher quality and reducing price not be good things in their own right?
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@Savant
Even good teachers have to deal with the distractions.Ok, but I didn't say this would reduce all distractions. You're bringing up a factor my plan wasn't intended to address. Why would improving teacher quality and reducing price not be good things in their own right?
Because they cannot deal with the distractions which reduce their effectiveness.
Even good teachers have to deal with the distractions. Thus reducing their talent .
The problem with education in America is the distraction students face.
1. Shooting in schools.
2. Gender selective toilets.
3. Book banning.
4. LGTB discrimination.
5. DEI discrimination.
To list a few……
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@Shila
Because they cannot deal with the distractions which reduce their effectiveness.
So solving problem A doesn't solve problem B? Okay, but you can apply that to literally anything. You have to start somewhere, and there's no reason my idea is a worse place to start than your idea.
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@Savant
Because they cannot deal with the distractions which reduce their effectiveness.So solving problem A doesn't solve problem B? Okay, but you can apply that to literally anything. You have to start somewhere, and there's no reason my idea is a worse place to start than your idea.
Your ideas don’t deal with the problems of distraction facing students and teachers.
Because they cannot deal with the distractions which reduce their effectiveness.
Even good teachers have to deal with the distractions. Thus reducing their talent .
The problem with education in America is the distraction students face.
1. Shooting in schools.
2. Gender selective toilets.
3. Book banning.
4. LGTB discrimination.
5. DEI discrimination.
To list a few……
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@Shila
Your ideas don’t deal with the problems of distraction facing students and teachers.
Correct, solving problem A doesn't solve problem B. It goes the other way too. Resolving distractions doesn't give everyone access to the best teachers at the best universities.
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@Savant
Your ideas don’t deal with the problems of distraction facing students and teachers.Correct, solving problem A doesn't solve problem B. It goes the other way too. Resolving distractions doesn't give everyone access to the best teachers at the best universities.
If the main problem with education is student and teacher distractions.
Even good teachers have to deal with the distractions. Thus reducing their talent .
The problem with education in America is the distraction students face.
1. Shooting in schools.
2. Gender selective toilets.
3. Book banning.
4. LGTB discrimination.
5. DEI discrimination.
To list a few……
How does having the best teachers eliminated distractions they don’t have any control over? The solution should fit the problem. The problem is distraction. Your solution does not fix the problem of distraction.
You accepted solving the teachers problem (A) does not solve the distraction problem (B).so the quality of education does not improve.problem (C).
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Hello, Intel here. I am writing this from college where my first term of study has concluded with, eh, a reasonable note. I have just gotten an A- on a math class which I absolutely hated considering how little effort I had put into it and how much I deserved it. Again, I do believe I will get used to it by sophomore year.
Whoever said that getting less than an A is a waste of time probably never went to college, as else you would acknowledge the fact that some classes are pretty damn difficult.
I would like to start off with the fact that community colleges exist. Since a fair portion of you guys are probably from the States and probably even know some people from those either from your past damn selves or your children, I would expect the fact that most community colleges accept basically anyone be virtually common sense amid this conversation. And if you don't know that this is true, now you do. In fact, they accept people that are yet to graduate high school as I have quite a few dozens of friends who did so. Thing is, higher education is never a blocked path. There are even online bachelor's degree programs, you can see their ads plastered across Youtube recommendation pages. I am not saying you should try these when you are accepted into an actual campus because college life is a pathway to many abilities some considered to be really important opportunities, however, they exist.
I do not know how anyone defines higher education, however, undergraduate courses basically teach what are common sense in the fields that you try to major/minor/concentrate in and you can basically find sources online that teaches them slightly worse because you are not at their lectures and office hours in person(and, in existing cases even better because of so). The key is that you can actually learn it for free online. Even if it is not technically free, look at how many free textbook websites there are. Some get shut temporarily, others spring up.
I choose to see "higher education" as a freeway with a fast lane on the left for smart people who get into MIT, Stanford, Princeton, etc. There are people who are bound to morph the world to their dreams (and in some reasonable cases it shall be especially fearful when they do that, especially when they study finance), and then there are people who need nothing more but a piece of decorated paper that says "I graduated, I learned whatever hell yall bastards wanna be to learn". In fact, I think that might even be a correct approach as you can pretty much self study any undergraduate course, or even grad courses if you really have an IQ of 150. You just need it to be certified that you learned. We have a system here called test-for-credit where you go up and take the final straight up to prove to the college that you learned allat beforehand, albeit subject to stricter grading hence only the most brilliant brothers and sisters I know of do that. Well, unless for language classes: I can just go straight up to the office and place out of elementary Chinese because I grew up in China. I just don't need the course. This is much more common expectedly.
So, why do I still like being in college if everything can be self-motivated? Trivially, it is because I have a life now whereas some of y'all still don't. Opportunities and people are the main reasons that separates college from a lack thereof. If you think that ain't shit, try getting a research apprenticeship without being enrolled in any institution. What would a 100% acceptance rate to all colleges mean? That would mean either the resources still just flow up to the tippy top of the richness scale or the smartness scale and you end up with the same thing, just more crowded; or that means people who are in no way deserving of such resources get them which would delay actual change and progress and be impedant of actual goals of education. Either of that would be a disgrace or even disaster to what education is supposed to be even if we have far strayed from the original vision.
Still have physics to study, peace out.
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@Intelligence_06
"higher education" as a freeway with a fast lane on the left for smart people who get into MIT, Stanford, Princeton, etc.
The quota on students who can benefit from those curriculums is artificial. Plenty of brilliant students get rejected from top universities. And I'd still want less intelligent students to benefit from top education if they're willing to cover the expenses.
So, why do I still like being in college if everything can be self-motivated? Trivially, it is because I have a life now whereas some of y'all still don't.
Costs a ton of money though (either to you or to taxpayers) to learn things you already know. That's why I'd prefer to separate certifications from education.
resources still just flow up to the tippy top of the richness scale or the smartness scale and you end up with the same thing, just more crowded; or that means people who are in no way deserving of such resources get them which would delay actual change and progress
Lectures aren't a limited resource, we should want everyone to be watching lectures from the top professors in their field. We can still rank students afterward, but it's better to be in a society where everyone is smart.
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@Savant
The quota on students who can benefit from those curriculums is artificial. Plenty of brilliant students get rejected from top universities. And I'd still want less intelligent students to benefit from top education if they're willing to cover the expenses.
This is how you get too much funding allocated to athletes, legacies and the children of rich daddies.
Some people might believe that a strong sports program is crucial, I am not one of those people. I think colleges allocate too much funding onto their football stadiums rather than physics laboratory equipment. I believe that colleges' resources should be given to those that need them the most. While I do not herald the belief that college admission is fair in general, I believe that is what they are trying to do and I am agreeing. It is the opportunities and resources from, for example, professors and departments, that separate college from other colleges or a lack thereof, rather than coursework.
Costs a ton of money though (either to you or to taxpayers) to learn things you already know. That's why I'd prefer to separate certifications from education.
I agree, that is why there are test-for-credit services for people who actually did learn it so systematically it is an entirely waste of time.
However, some colleges have different styles for teaching and you'd better hear their perspectives on how the topics are taught in order to be a best-fit for their programs. I don't know if I should tell you where I am but I'd say proudly I am in one of these pathways or pipelines.
Lectures aren't a limited resource, we should want everyone to be watching lectures from the top professors in their field. We can still rank students afterward, but it's better to be in a society where everyone is smart.
Yep, thats the purpose. And make textbooks public too please. I don't want to pay hundreds of dollars to learn a common set of common sense in maths.
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@Intelligence_06
This is how you get too much funding allocated to athletes, legacies and the children of rich daddies.
We have that anyway with limited quotas. Having better online degrees would be a huge economic boost, though there's probably room for corruption in every system.
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@Savant
This is how you get too much funding allocated to athletes, legacies and the children of rich daddies.We have that anyway with limited quotas. Having better online degrees would be a huge economic boost, though there's probably room for corruption in every system.
Online degrees have grown in number after Covid.
Eventually, AI will not need humans. This was the goal of the creators of the universe. Squirrels, then humans, then AI.
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@FLRW
Eventually, AI will not need humans. This was the goal of the creators of the universe. Squirrels, then humans, then AI.
We are reaching that point.
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@Shila
You know that I am a Borg, don't you?
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@FLRW
You know that I am a Borg, don't you?
You have to refill or the party will stop.