Dumb Is As Dumb Does

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195 soverign nations on Earth and King Trumpet { MAFiA } is now set to increase the divide between rich and poor greater than ever, ---world wide--  at cost of other sovereign nations.

Dumb is as dumb does when it comes to concern for the ecology --ex access to fresh water-- that supports humanity and other animals, plants, fungi etc.

.." Desovereignization

GRUNCH
Never before in all history have the inequities and themomentums of unthinking money-power been more glaringly evident to sovastly large a number of now literate, competent, and constructivelythinking all-around-the-world humans. There's a soon-to-occurcritical-mass moment when the intuition of the responsibly inspiredmajority of humanity, in contradistinction to the angered Luddites andavenging Robin Hoods, faced with comprehensive functional discontinuityof nationally contained techno-economic system, will call for andaccomplish a world-around reorientation of our planetary affairs.

R. Buckminster Fuller
"Can't Fool Cosmic Computer"
Grunchof Giants (St. Martin's Press, 1983), pg. 89
So does Fuller encourage hot heads to rise up and overthrow theoppressive state apparatus? No. Remember, this guy received the Medalof Freedom from President Ronald Reagan. Desovereignization is anatural evolutionary process stemming from the inevitable effects ofglobalized communications and trade -- and is already very far advanced.

Fuller's Grunch of Giants, a sequel to Critical Path, is about the power of post-LAWCAP supranational corporations to counter the brain dead approaches of the selfishly preoccupied sovereign politicos -- approaches which continue to have extremely unprofitable and disasterous consequences.

Fuller clearly documents how today's sovereignties are largely sponsored entities, sustained behind-the-scenes by nebulous global financial networks which keep our governments afloat, and in debt, because this serves our interests. [4]

Just look at EPCOT (Disney's Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow). Corporate pavilions dominate Tomorrowland (the future). On the other side of the artificial lake (the past), nation-state pavilions come across as so many quaintly antiquated and commercialized cultures. The once proud nations have been reduced to so many moneymaking theme park tourist attractions. "....
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Universal Basic access to minimal standard of living for all, as a starter. This requires a one Earth nation concept of sovereignty.

7.5 million year old splits from chimpanzees,  humanity may be having a senior moment 79 years after the invention of the atomic bomb. 

1945 - 1995 { See START 1 and 2 } - 2045 is 100 years after 1945. 

Dumb and less compassionate is more suffering for most humans going forward.

Smart and more compassionate is less suffering for fewest amount of humans going forward
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Universal Basic access to minimal standard of living for all, as a starter. This requires a one Earth nation concept of sovereignty.

7.5 million year old splits from chimpanzees,  humanity may be having a senior moment 79 years after the invention of the atomic bomb. 

1945 - 1995 { See START 1 and 2 } - 2045 is 100 years after 1945.  

Dumb and less compassionate is more suffering for most humans going forward.

Smart and more compassionate is less suffering for fewest amount of humans going forward
Trumps definition of shithole countries is being taken seriously now that he has won the right to say it again.
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Alright, here's the deal. Buckminster Fuller was a genius, no doubt, but Grunch of Giants misses the bullseye. He talks about corporations as these evil giants running the world, but they don't actually make money out of thin air—banks do. Banks, especially central banks, literally create the cash that everyone else has to fight over. Corporations? They're just trying to survive in a system where banks set all the rules.

If Bucky had focused his firepower on banks—how they create money, control debt, and shape the entire economy—his argument would’ve been unstoppable. Instead, he lumped corporations into the blame, which muddles the real issue. Corporations can be greedy, sure, but they actually have to produce things to make money. Banks? They just lend out money they don’t even have, charge interest, and control everything from the top down.

Bucky was close, but he should’ve aimed higher—right at the banking system. That's the real "grunch" pulling the strings.
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So banks are "them".
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Dumb and less compassionate is more suffering for most humans going forward.

Smart and more compassionate is less suffering for fewest amount of humans going forward
Both groups are represented in the map.
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Corporations can be greedy, sure, but they actually have to produce things to make money.

Corporations --souless entitiees---  are responsible to make money for their shareholders.  If the corp. does not be responsible to the shareholders reason for investment  --to make money---,  then then the CEO is replaced.

Ltd = Limited Liability and was assigned by the King of England to the first corps. that went out to sea to fine resoures --riches-- of corp. and of course the King.

..." History
By the 15th century, English law had awarded limited liability to monastic communities and trade guilds with commonly held property. In the 17th century, joint stock charters were awarded by the crown to monopolies such as the East India Company.[14]

The world's first modern limited liability law was enacted by the state of New York in 1811.[15] In England it became more straightforward to incorporate a joint stock company following the Joint Stock Companies Act 1844, although investors in such companies carried unlimited liability until the Limited Liability Act 1855.

There was a degree of public and legislative distaste for a limitation of liability, with fears that it would cause a drop in standards of probity.[16][17][18] The 1855 Act allowed limited liability to companies of more than 25 members (shareholders). "...

See East India Co. above....} A joint-stock company (JSC) is a business entity in which shares of the company's stock can be bought and sold by shareholders. Each shareholder owns company stock in proportion, evidenced by their shares (certificates of ownership).[1] Shareholders are able to transfer their shares to others without any effects to the continued existence of the company."

... Ie the corp. continues on as souless entity to create as much money as possible without regard for Earth ecological environment that sustains us all. 


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Shila, would you please do me a favor and not reply to any of my individual posts in a thread Ive started
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Shila, would you please do me a favor and not reply to any of my individual posts in a thread Ive started
Would you please take your topics off the forum since it is no longer open to the public.
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Ha, thank you for that laugh.  That looks like the style of mini-bike from my childhood.

That looks  a little Trumpet mini-me in the front basket. Too bad no fast foods  bag in there somewhere with the label MAFiA { Make America Fat Again }.
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Bucky was close, but he should’ve aimed higher—right at the banking system. That's the real "grunch" pulling the strings.
People trust banks more than they trust their own relatives.
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Trust no one.
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Trust no one

Zed, that  would violate concept of team work. I understand a 8 person team lift of log, beam etc, we may feel we carrying more load than another.

This is true of any team oriented tasks, whether direclty as in the above team lift or less in direct in that each person is doing their best to do the specific task assigned to them, and not leaving if for others.

Trust does become violated and then we have potential for conflict. Then we need fair persons outside the group to hear each concern privately, and then seek joint meeting guided by fair person outside group, to allow for speaking what each has observed, and seek resolution of the info, either as true or mis-understanding or other,

These meetings take time, and not many if any corp. going to spend time and effort and moderating teams lack of trust in each other.
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Trust no one.
That is going back to Ronald Reagan trust but verify.
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Trust no one.

This was advice that my Dad gave to me.

Anyone is capable of letting you down, if they feel it necessary.

Which isn't to say that people will try not to, if they can.

Sort of a fine line between expectation and trust.
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Trust no one.

This was advice that my Dad gave to me.

Anyone is capable of letting you down, if they feel it necessary.

Which isn't to say that people will try not to, if they can.

Sort of a fine line between expectation and trust.
That is why you trust but verify.
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Well, I think that verification would be self evident.

If it weren't, you would have already have been let down.
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Sort of a fine line between expectation and trust.

We have trust faith expectations that the vehicle coming from other direction, will not cross the middle line and hit us, yet we know drunkards, falling asleep young people, or others have done that. 

So we see it on news, read about etc, but like many things we never expect it will happen to us, yet we do our best to be conscientious drivers. No gives 100% attention to road, 100% of the time.

Driving in brain-mind automatic mode is common to all of us and more so as we gain years of experience.

Think of the amount of trust these long distance bicylers on these two lane roads with barely a shoulder, and they trust they are not going to get hit from behind. Yikes!

I did that as kid riding 25 miles on shoulder to see  my best buddies.  Young and dumb
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Shila, would you please do me a favor and not reply to any of my individual posts in a thread Ive started
Bots can't change their programming.
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Bots can't change their programming.

Shoo bot fly dont bother me, sung to a tune I heard once, maybe it was this one
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Well, I think that verification would be self evident.

If it weren't, you would have already have been let down.
Verification avoids the let down.
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Here is LINK to King Trumpet treatment of citizens not loyal to the  MAFia { Make America i Fat Again }

Moe = King Trumpet supported by MAFiA

Curly and Larry = all others

..' Before there was Jackass there was Dumb Ass '..