free market capitalism is the most optimal system for both growth and prosperity for mankind both on a short and long term lapse prove me wrong.
free market capitalism is the best system there is
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Capitalism is so great that USA had to introduce food stamps to reduce hunger.
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@befairbruh
Wrong. Socialism works, but only if it is national socialism. Hitler went from having the worst economy in the world to the best, strictly by banning jews and making his country better through national socialism
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@WyIted
yo this site is harsh
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@Best.Korea
well the state can have its function, yet the more of it there is the less everythin grows, industrial revolution made population grow not just because it got us horny but because living was more affordable and plausible due to the overall enhancing of wellbeing
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@befairbruh
You still havent disproved that USA had to introduce food stamps to reduce hunger. I guess its a fact now. Government intervention reduced hunger. Also, you seem to fail to point us to these small governments which you talk about. Do they even exist?
You talk of growth, yet all biggest countries with biggest GDP have huge governments.
industrial revolution made population grow
It even employed 6 year olds in factories until government made it illegal. I guess you only read censored version of history.
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@befairbruh
yo this site is harsh
You just got here and already thinking of quitting?
I am sorry, but this simply isnt YouTube where you post "🙄" and get 30 likes.
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@Best.Korea
well first the guy said nazism is a good idea if you dont think that is harsh then wtf am i even trying to do here is ridiculous i only came not to win a debate but to get to a fundamental truth based over facts not some sociopathic ignoring manipulation method from a book, secondly the principle of no aggression is violated in that example, wich leads to worst societys, basically why communism is utterly meant to fail, secondly ireland has an even bigger gdp than the american one and is a freer country, new zealand has an even bigger gdp than the us and if you even try to compare this to the rest of the countries in europe except from ireland and a few others that happen to have lived through commies, you will see how little their gdps are, you are the same person before that said that capitalism wasted more resources than ever and now you say communist like governments have bigger gdps isnt that a contradiction????
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@Best.Korea
dont get me talking about the singapur gdp
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@Best.Korea
i mean for example china gdp vs singapur gdp you will see that the chinese one is bigger yet per capita singapur is $84,734 compared to the chinese one wich is $12,597
this means that This disparity highlights Singapore's higher average economic output per person wich means more people are rich on a free economy
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@Best.Korea
this also highlights how wealth distribution is superior in free and also flawless in free trade economys
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@befairbruh
ireland has an even bigger gdp than the american one and is a freer country, new zealand has an even bigger gdp than the us
No, USA has the largest GDP in the world. China is second largest. Also, those countries have much weaker military than USA.
that said that capitalism wasted more resources than ever and now you say communist like governments have bigger gdps isnt that a contradiction????
Both China and USA have markets, didnt you know? Besides, the claim in another thread was that planned economy makes it possible to save resources. It wasnt "all big governments save resources".
i mean for example china gdp vs singapur gdp you will see that the chinese one is bigger yet per capita singapur is $84,734 compared to the chinese one wich is $12,597this means that This disparity highlights Singapore's higher average economic output per person wich means more people are rich on a free economy
Singapur has much lower total GDP and much weaker military.
Thus, we see that if your theory was true, we would see pure capitalist countries having highest total GDP as well as strong military, but we dont see that. We dont see anything even close to that. All we see are tiny countries which dont have much military, and still have bunch of government regulations, so arent exactly pure capitalists either.
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@Best.Korea
While the U.S. has a vastly larger GDP due to its population and market size, this metric alone fails to reflect individual well-being or the degree of freedom within the system. Singapore’s higher GDP per capita demonstrates greater efficiency and prosperity per individual, achieved through minimal government interference, low taxes, and respect for property rights they are hallmarks of a system that fosters voluntary cooperation. people are richer in sinagpur not the government
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@Best.Korea
Ultimately, GDP size should not be the sole measure of economic success. Instead, the degree of individual freedom and the voluntary nature of exchanges behind the output are more meaningful indicators. By this measure, Singapore’s economic model, rooted in minimal coercion and respect for individual rights, reflects a more ethically prosperous system than the U.S., aligning closely with the principles of freedom and non-aggression.
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@befairbruh
well first the guy said nazism is a good idea if you dont think that is harsh then wtf am i even trying to do here is ridiculous i only came not to win a debate but to get to a fundamental truth based over facts not some sociopathic ignoring manipulation method from a book
People have a right to defend whatever idea they want. Its how debating works. You cant have a debate about something if people arent allowed to debate it.
Sure, maybe I personally disagree with nazism, but I dont really care if people want to debate it. They are allowed to.
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@befairbruh
Singapore
Again, singapore is small and irrelevant while USA is strongest military on Earth and biggest total GDP.
Again, if your theory was correct, there would be at least 1 small government country with big total GDP, but there isnt any.
Total GDP represents total wealth, so no matter how you look at it, US and China have the most total wealth.
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@Best.Korea
yes of course i believe in freedom of speech but i have the freedom to disagree and be disposed to not discuss something obvious and proved wrong, unlike our debate that is been seen for decades as a controversy
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@Best.Korea
but still the people have more autonomy wich is better perhaps not for fighting wars yet it is for a society balance, also sinagpur is a small country, such as ireland or new zealand so this means that they barely have any resources compared to the us or china if countrys with more resources did these models then they would grow even more and with wealthier people
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@Best.Korea
why not comparing a small government based country to a free market capitalism based country
- Singapore
- GDP (2023): ~$500 billion
- Among the freest economies globally, its small size belies its significant global trade and financial influence.
- GDP (2023): ~$500 billion
- Switzerland
- GDP (2023): ~$900 billion
- A highly open economy known for financial services, trade, and innovation.
- GDP (2023): ~$900 billion
- Ireland
- GDP (2023): ~$545 billion
- Benefits from a low-tax regime and open trade policies.
- GDP (2023): ~$545 billion
- Australia
- GDP (2023): ~$1.6 trillion
- Strong property rights and open markets drive growth. all countrys with almost no resources just trade
- GDP (2023): ~$1.6 trillion
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@befairbruh
Again, thats just your theory which did not occur anywhere in practice.
If you want for USA to be Singapore, then you have to give up on US military, production and healthcare, because Singapore has almost no military power or production.
It is China and USA which supply the rest of the world with goods and protection.
The moment USA would choose to abandon its military power, you would just have Russia and China exploiting that and taking over the world.
Remember, its the USA model which leads the world, not Singapore.
Its the USA model which protected Ukraine. It wasnt Singapore.
If you want for USA to be Singapore, then prepare to step off the world stage first and hand over world to China and Russia.
Small countries who have small governments have never succeeded in terms of military competition, because big military requires big government spending.
Thus, Singapore has no means to defend itself, so if you want to be like that, go ahead.
Also, Singapore has a lot less population and low immigration, so its GDP per capita is enjoyed by much less people, so your theory is just more wealth to less people.
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@Best.Korea
i actually think the same here, in fact, im starting to see how governments or the state works as a form of aristocracy as if they were kingdoms competing with each other, still it is a fact that freedom overcomes control, for a reason the us gdp is stronger,and also
The United States GDP per capita was around $75,000 (in nominal terms).
The China GDP per capita was around $12,000 (in nominal terms).
so its both strong per capita and in total
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@Best.Korea
im starting to see this more from a strategic point of view but objectively free trade and free market capitalism is better for the people
Singapore's model doesn't inherently concentrate wealth among fewer people. Instead, it lifts the average standard of living, as evidenced by its low poverty rates and high HDI. Similarly, the U.S.'s free-market approach has lifted millions out of poverty worldwide through capitalist globalization, showcasing the scalability of free-market principles.
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@Best.Korea
besides how many times has the private sector been the main actor in wars and military?? its a lot
also not to deviate from the subject put the fact of how capitalism makes everything grow more just look at the fact of how after aristocracys came burgoise wich evolved to industrial revolution and now we see how the global gdp went skyrocketed until marxist ideas came to float due to a great depression caused by a government move on economical policys
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@Best.Korea
well actually now that ive made my research it seems singapur actually has an insane military,
United States
Economy: Highly capitalist, with a strong emphasis on innovation, entrepreneurship, and market competition.Military: One of the largest and most advanced in the world, with global reach and high defense spending.
Singapore
Economy: Known for its economic freedom, low taxes, and business-friendly environment.
Military: Small but technologically advanced and highly trained, with mandatory national service and strong defense partnerships.
Switzerland
Economy: Open and stable, with a focus on banking, finance, and trade.
Military: Neutral but well-prepared, with a robust militia system and mandatory service.
Australia
Economy: Free market-oriented, with strong natural resource exports and trade partnerships.
Military: Modern and well-funded, with regional influence and alliances like AUKUS.
South Korea
Economy: Open and competitive, driven by technology and manufacturing.
Military: Highly capable, with mandatory service and significant investment in defense due to regional threats.
Israel
Economy: Free and innovative, especially in technology and startups.
Military: One of the most advanced and efficient relative to its size, with mandatory national service.
a list of free countrys with strong militarys even tho israel was funded by the us
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@befairbruh
now that ive made my research it seems singapur actually has an insane military
No, 50k troops and 100 aircrafts isnt insane.
USA has over 10000 aircrafts. Now that is insane.
Plus, Singapore, Israel, South Korea... are all supplied by US in terms of military. Its thanks to USA. Those countries wouldnt even exist on their own.
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@Best.Korea
of course the us wants countrys that support freedom literally the us is the reason why freedom is an actual thing in the world
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@befairbruh
I'm not sure what you mean by Free Market Capitalism,
I don't know much about economics.
I get that the American market might be more free in practice, than say some Communist countries,
But America still regulates the market,
Sets laws against price gouging, sets safety requirements, minimum wage, employee rights, orders farmers what and how much of a crop they can grow, in war orders industries to do this or that.
But in the end, it's Regulated Market Capitalism I would 'think?
Though one might point to some earlier years in American history when workers had less rights,
But Government was 'still often involved, sometimes on the side of the capitalists.
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"In economics, a free market is an economic system in which the prices of goods and services are determined by supply and demand expressed by sellers and buyers. Such markets, as modeled, operate without the intervention of government or any other external authority."
"Proponents of the free market as a normative ideal contrast it with a regulated market, in which a government intervenes in supply and demand by means of various methods such as taxes or regulations. In an idealized free market economy, prices for goods and services are set solely by the bids and offers of the participants."
"Laissez-faire (/ˌlɛseɪˈfɛər/ LESS-ay-FAIR; or /lɑːˌsɛzˈfɛ.jər/, from French: laissez faire [lɛse fɛːʁ] ⓘ, lit. 'let do') is a type of economic system in which transactions between private groups of people are free from any form of economic interventionism (such as subsidies or regulations). "
"A command economy or planned economy is where the big decisions are made at the center by the government. [1] In an economic system the main decisions are, for example, allocating resources like labour, capital and minerals. Prices, too, are controlled. In a command economy, these decisions are taken by a central body, usually the government."
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@Lemming
yes you are right, the united states isnt the best example of capitalism yet they stand for its values regardless of how much regulation they keep, however this sums up to my concept of natural capitalism and how the creation of a good from a current good exists in every single form of life wich is why even on a commuinst society capitalism is present and the market laws too because as i said instead of it being a political or economical model its just an intrinsic law of nature that rules out how life works everywhere