Tao - So simple, yet no one can understand it

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What is Tao?

Least effort, maximum result.

Isnt this the ideal?

Least input, maximum output.

You would want to have a car which uses no fuel, yet can drive great distance.

You would want to spend very little money, yet earn very much.

You would want to buy at zero cost, yet sell at great price.

The military would love to have an aircraft which uses no fuel and can fly forever.

The buisness would love to reduce cost and increase output, so that it can profit more.

"Least input, maximum output" is the ideal state of things, and you are supposed to move towards it.

Whats next? What else is Tao?

Tao is constant. It does not exhaust.

What does it mean? It means Tao doesnt stop, and doesnt stop moving towards its goal.

Lets say you were driving a car, and suddenly, it ran out of fuel. It exhausted.

Your car is then not constant in reaching its destination. It exhausted.

One can avoid exhausting in three ways. By reducing input, or by increasing output, or by changing output.

Lets say that instead of traveling a long distance, you instead chose to travel shorter distance. Now your car wont exhaust and wont run out of fuel, because its input is equal to its output. Thus, by changing desired output, your car wont exhaust.

Maybe instead of this, you decided to put more fuel in your car, so it can reach its destination without exhausting. So you increased input and with it, the output, and now your car wont exhaust.

Or maybe somehow, you made your car use less fuel, so it can reach its destination without exhausting. So you reduced input per output, and thus your car wont exhaust.

This is Tao. Tao is most simple, yet not even the smartest person on Earth can understand it.

What else is Tao?

Tao does not compete, yet it defeats all competition and defeats all opponents.

"How is this possible?" - They ask.

What is the goal of competition?

The goal of competition is to eliminate all opponents.

Tao says "I dont have opponents. I have no enemies.". 

Thus, Tao: He who has no enemies, cannot be defeated by any enemy.

He who has no opponents has already eliminated all opponents. He has no opponents. He has no competition. He has defeated all competition. He destroyed all his enemies by simply ceasing to consider them enemies.

Strongest is the one who destroys all enemies.

Destroying all enemies means you have no enemies anymore.

Tao doesnt consider anyone an enemy, thus Tao has no enemies. Tao has destroyed all its enemies before the fight even began.

Such is Tao. Simple, yet impossible to understand.

Tao is like water. It doesnt crush obstacles. Water has no obstacles, thus nothing can stop it.

Water has destroyed all obstacles, because it doesnt consider anything as its obstacle. If water is stopped by a rock, it is not stopped but will go around it because the rock is not its obstacle. By simply changing path and goal, water turns obstacle into non-obstacle. Such is Tao.

Tao fights like there is no enemies because Tao has no enemies, thus no enemy can defeat it because no enemy exists because no one is the enemy.

Thus, we can destroy all enemies by not considering them enemies anymore.

We can destroy all obstacles by not considering them obstacles anymore.

Water doesnt actually have obstacles.

Its the humans who think "water would have gone the other path if it wasnt for this obstacle".

But water thinks "I have no obstacles, because I chose exactly this path which has no obstacles.".

Such is Tao. The path of least input, maximum output. The best path is the one which has no obstacles. The best path is the one which requires least effort to get to destination. The best destination is the one which has path of least effort and least obstacles.
The best path is Tao, and those who travel it have no enemies, have no obstacles, use least effort and achieve greatest result.
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We can fix everything. We can make everything and everyone better than they are. Thus, Tao is the person which seeks to make everyone good and doesnt seek to destroy or harm anyone, or seek fault in anyone. Tao benefits all and is good to all.
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I agree, Tao is no Trump.
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Do you truly believe that a subject chooses its own enemies? Seems… ridiculous.

Now, admittedly, it’s hard to assign enemies to an aspect of nature, but I’ll try: Water’s enemy is not the rock, it is the dam. The dam restricts water, keeps it from moving at all and exerts its control over it. When water destroys the dam, it has destroyed its enemy, and may be free once again. However, if water remains still, it will never escape the dam’s clutches. Therefore, water attempts to push against its confines, and though it can succeed, due to its innate pacifism it will most often fail against one familiar with it.
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Do you truly believe that a subject chooses its own enemies?
Well, since the label "enemy" is assigned by the mind and subjectively defined, yes.

Water’s enemy is not the rock, it is the dam
Did water tell you that?
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Ok, I’ll grant you this: I technically could say right now that no one is my enemy and (from my point of view) I would have no enemies.

But if there was a bullet heading towards my skull, that wouldn’t prevent my death.

Enemies are in the eye of the observer. You would not say that an unaware woman has no enemies simply because her boyfriend hasn’t yet revealed that he plans to kill her, would you? She doesn’t see the boyfriend as her enemy, yet he is. From her point of view, she has none, but from an objective one she certainly does.

And no, the water didn’t tell me that. Did it tell you that it has none? No. Because it doesn’t have a brain.
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So you think you can decide what water or woman considers as enemy.

Maybe woman would consider if she knew, but it seems that the label is still assigned by you and her.

Also, you seem to think that death is your enemy after claiming no one was your enemy.
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Ok, let’s make this personal: do you consider lifelong pain and suffering your enemy?
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Not if I am someone who likes pain or just doesnt care.
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Tao

I thought it was a song, BK.

Teo  come an me wan go ho um.
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Are you someone who likes pain? I think it’s hard to not care even a little, if not impossible.
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Are you someone who likes pain? I think it’s hard to not care even a little, if not impossible.
Tao doesnt care. Tao teaches that you must adapt to everything. Thus, if you were forced to be in pain, it is better to adapt to such situation, mentally. If you consider anything as your enemy, it will only trouble you more.

So when in pain, simply do as if there was no pain.
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I thought it was a song, BK
Heh

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Why try to adapt to something you may possibly never be able to fully adapt to, when you could instead attempt to stop it? I can attempt to ignore pain, but I will only ever do so if there is light at the end of the tunnel that I mustn’t do anything but survive to reach.

If I was driving a knife into your heart, would you stop it the second I pricked your skin? Or do you not consider me an enemy whose destruction is needed, and instead simply let me slowly kill you as you attempt to ignore the growing pain?
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@Best.Korea
 Tao teaches that you must adapt to everything.
This is something closer to Tao. "Adaptation" is a good word to describe Tao as you said, and not what you said in another thread where you implied that it's about reject nothing.

The problem is that you seem to not apply Tao in your life.
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 "Adaptation" is a good word to describe Tao as you said, and not what you said in another thread where you implied that it's about reject nothing.
Well, its both mentioned in Tao Te Ching.

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Why try to adapt to something you may possibly never be able to fully adapt to, when you could instead attempt to stop it?
You cant stop many things in this world, but you can care less about anything.

You can also avoid pain instead of stopping it. Its  an easier path.

Now, many people intentionally put themselves in painful and stressful situations, so they obviously dont think pain is to be always stopped or avoided.

But if you think pain is your enemy, you will just live in fear from it, always.

Thus, a strong mind, Tao mind can live in unity with anything, even with pain.

And the only way to have a Tao mind is to be able to reject nothing and accept everything.

I can attempt to ignore pain
You can, yet most people choose to focus on the pain as it is something to be avoided or feared. 

However, in Tao, obstacle is not crushed but simply avoided in 2 ways: changing path or changing goal.

If you simply change your goal, then the pain cannot stop you.

But if your goal is to stop pain, then pain is the one who will stop you from reaching that goal.

But by simply changing the goal, or the path, one can avoid any obstacle, thus no obstacles exists.

The goal exists in mind, and if your goal is something which you cannot have, you will be disappointed.

Also, not all pain can be stopped, but it can be avoided by acting as if pain doesnt exist.

If I was driving a knife into your heart, would you stop it the second I pricked your skin?
Or do you not consider me an enemy whose destruction is needed, and instead simply let me slowly kill you as you attempt to ignore the growing pain?
Maybe I would just run away. I dont really do hand to hand combat.

Besides, maybe such death is a good thing. Maybe if you didnt kill me in that scenario, I would face a much worse fate later.

Good and evil create each other, so good and evil arent the enemies. They are just forces of nature which move in cycles.
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Jesus Christ I’m done with this. I’d imagine any sane observer can recognize the flaw in this reasoning, so I’m out. Just try to think things through for a change.
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Tao - So simple, yet no one can understand it
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I find the Tao Te Ching difficult to read myself,
I'm not sure if there are other books that talk about the Tao. Probably are.

I 'do think it can be too pacific and accepting of circumstances at times.
But I don't know much about Taoist history or practitioners in practice.

I think that avoiding conflicts and enemies 'can have a place though.

"But Jesus said to him, “Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword."

People can get too caught up with conflict,
End up in a circles of violence,
Like the Hatfields and McCoys, various inner city gangs, Americans and Native Americans.

A lot of conflicts have been made worse or unending by people unable to put their swords away,
A lot of people can end up ruined by their pursuit of revenge, violence has a way of giving people PTSD, turning some's dreams to nightmares,
Or even their waking lives into dysfunction with those they love and even simple tasks.
Lot of wars in history, seems to some in retrospect, a pointless waste of time and lives, even if they still honor the soldiers who's sacrifice still has meaning.

Though personally I think it better people use the sword at 'some point, lest they be swept away.
Some people will kill you and take your land if you don't fight a bit,
Or beat you and take your lunch money.
Still, fights come together easier when two people are aggressive,
Though I still think one can manage to start it without the other trying.

"Penguin Classics Tao Te Ching
L
113 When going one way means life and going the other
means death, three in ten will be comrades of life, three in
ten will be comrades of death, and there are those who
value life and as a result move into the realm of death, and
these also number three in ten. Why is this so? Because
they set too much store by life. I have heard it said that one
who excels in safeguarding his own life does not meet
with rhinoceros or tiger when traveling on land nor is he
touched by weapons when charging into an army. There is
nowhere for the rhinoceros to pitch its horn; there is
nowhere for the tiger to place its claws; there is nowhere
for their weapon to lodge its blade. Why is this so? Because
for him there is no realm of death."

A different translation
"Chapter 50

Coming into life, entering death
The followers of life, three in ten
The followers of death, three in ten
Those whose lives are moved toward death
Also three in ten
Why? Because they live lives of excess

I've heard of those who are good at cultivating life
Traveling on the road, they do not encounter rhinos or tigers
Entering into an army, they are not harmed by weapons
Rhinos have nowhere to thrust their horns
Tigers have nowhere to clasp their claws
Soldiers have nowhere to lodge their blades
Why? Because they have no place for death"

Being too absorbed by death, can lead to bad decisions.

I suppose 'stressing too much over life can lead to a shorter less enjoyable life,
Like some person focusing too much on a schedule during a family outing,
Instead of caring about the moment and life,
They care about time and scheduling,
Which they only 'made so they could enjoy life and their family.

A person who is terrified by the concept of death,
Maybe takes more psychological damage, than a person more accepting of deaths existence,
Death comes to all regardless.
Or a person terrified might run when they should stand their ground, or freeze when they should run.
While a person not afraid, can run or stand their ground as is necessary.
But they can manage this by their detachment.

Well, so long as one cares 'some about being alive, a degree of attachment isn't bad.

Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it.

I 'am a cherry picker and warper of what I read to my own purposes though. I think.
But eh, so long as I remember there is a sometimes objective view and many other people's views,
I don't think it's 'bad.
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I fully agree that people are far too aggressive most of the time, but if you refuse to ever consider others as enemies you will inevitably be fucked over by those aforementioned others. People need food, and the easiest way to get that is often by taking each other’s. Countries need land, and the only way to do that is by taking each other’s. Violence is as much a part of life as peace, and by ignoring it you become the target once the first target is gone.

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I agree in part.

But if one easily labels others an 'other, and enemy how can peace come about?
What is there but the 'next war with one's enemy?

Of course todays enemies can be tomorrows friends,
. . . Can be hard to do sometimes though, with how much people can hold onto anger from conflict, dehumanizations, or reliance on war.

On the contrary: “If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”
. . .

Do countries need land forever?
Perhaps it would be better if countries and populations practiced restraint in breeding and in use of resources.
. . . Course, as I noted in a different thread, I think populations effect military and economic power,
I have a hard time imagining countries intentionally lowering their own populations,
Then again, China did that for a time with it's  one-child policy, after encouraging people to have more kids in initial plans to use their population boom against other countries, in war I 'think.

I don't think people should 'ignore violence, or the potential for violence,
But while precautions ought be taken, I think.
Treating a person as the enemy, can mean a total lack of respect, care, or dignity.
. . . How can people change for the better, if they are forever labeled enemy?
Forever treated as enemy, something hated, reviled?
Some people become all the more monstrous or one's enemy, by such actions.

People can treat their enemies well, or with respect I suppose,
But I still might argue that is treating them as 'humans, people, as what they 'are, rather than purely as 'enemy.
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The correct decision here is to consider actions the creator of enemies. A person is only an enemy based off the actions they take, and nothing else. If they cease that action, treat them as a past enemy and future friend.
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How do you know its simple if NO one can understand it? I presume that no one includes you. 
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How do you know its simple if NO one can understand it? I presume that no one includes you. 
Tao uses simple words everyone is familiar with, yet no one can understand them because Tao's secret is such that it tells things people dont want to hear, thus people dont hear what Tao says.

Such is Tao.

Tao is like the Sun which benefits all.

Doesnt Sun help both good people and evil people?

Tao can be in unity with anything because Tao benefits everything.

There are no words which can describe Tao, since no words which describe it can be heard by the people.

People read Tao Te Ching, yet they dont understand a single sentence.

Such is Tao Te Ching. It is written only for the select few who understand it.

Its secrets are open only to those who know how sentences and logical connections work.

Tao uses simple words, yet the people are blind.

Tao will always win, because people dont know what Tao is.
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I find the Tao Te Ching difficult to read myself,
I'm not sure if there are other books that talk about the Tao. Probably are.
There are no other original books except Tao Te Ching.

Sure, you can read people's interpretations of Tao Te Ching, but thats just wrong.
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"The saint inspires vitality of all lives without holding back.
He nurtures all beings with no wish to take possession of." 

Tao Te Ching
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Tao uses simple words everyone is familiar with, yet no one can understand them because Tao's secret is such that it tells things people dont want to hear, thus people dont hear what Tao says.
Do you mean like, if you reject Jesus, you reject God?

Tao is like the Sun which benefits all.

Doesnt Sun help both good people and evil people?
The sun is beneficial at times. And at times, it is not beneficial. That's why we have day and night. Because it wouldn't be beneficial to have the sun heating EVERY part of the world EVERY moment. 

Tao can be in unity with anything because Tao benefits everything.

There are no words which can describe Tao, since no words which describe it can be heard by the people.
I wonder if you realise that you are using WORDS to describe Tao, even when you are saying they can't be used?  It's a little bit like saying, there is ABSOLUTELY no such thing as an ABSOLUTE. 

People read Tao Te Ching, yet they dont understand a single sentence.

Such is Tao Te Ching. It is written only for the select few who understand it.

Its secrets are open only to those who know how sentences and logical connections work.
Ahhh - the secret few. The elect. The special few. Gnosticism. The secret magic ritual of the Secret Gospel of Mark.  Mysticism. 

In other words, it is unscientific. Irrational. And therefore nonsense. 


Tao uses simple words, yet the people are blind.

Tao will always win, because people dont know what Tao is.

Winning is not everything. The ends don't always justify the means. In fact to always win also means to also always lose. 
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Do you mean like, if you reject Jesus, you reject God?
Yes.

The sun is beneficial at times. And at times, it is not beneficial. That's why we have day and night. Because it wouldn't be beneficial to have the sun heating EVERY part of the world EVERY moment. 
That doesnt change that Sun is beneficial. No one would be alive without the Sun. Thus, Sun benefits all.

I wonder if you realise that you are using WORDS to describe Tao, even when you are saying they can't be used?  It's a little bit like saying, there is ABSOLUTELY no such thing as an ABSOLUTE. 
Words cannot describe Tao, because Tao is the way which consists of countless ways.

Tao teaches to choose best path and best goal, which is always different in different situations and conditions.

Thus, it would take countless words to describe Tao, which is why its not possible to describe Tao.

I was merely describing parts of Tao. No one knows all Tao.

Ahhh - the secret few. The elect. The special few. Gnosticism. The secret magic ritual of the Secret Gospel of Mark.  Mysticism. 
In other words, it is unscientific. Irrational. And therefore nonsense.
You can call Tao nonsense, but its the fact that only few people are really smart enough to understand Tao, because only some people in the world are really smart.

Winning is not everything. The ends don't always justify the means. In fact to always win also means to also always lose
Winning is opposite of losing. One can either achieve his goal or not achieve it.

The ends do justify the means if you choose the right ends which benefit all. But Tao doesnt use people as means. Tao benefits all.
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