Out of curiosity, what reasons are stopping you from adopting religion? Specifically, what is it about Christianity that deters you away?
What is stopping stopping you from religion?
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@CatholicApologetics
what is it about Christianity that deters you away?
Mostly bunch of Christians telling me I will go to hell for masturbation.
I prefer religions where people dont debate about what I can do with my dick.
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@Best.Korea
remember that Ernest Borgnine lived to be 95.
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@CatholicApologetics
Overtime with Christianity it's been used to indoctrinate the masses into having this blind faith in an unproven deity because people are afraid of the idea of not knowing what comes after death and turn to the most comforting option heaven (I didn't include hell bc most Christians just assume they'll go to heaven because yk their Christians lol). Most the people I've encountered in life who are Christians don't even practice their religion none of them pray, read the bible or practice any of its teachings, and none of them attend church which is a whole another can worms from the scamming pastors who make bank off simple-minded folk who would never dare actually apply some critical thinking skills to any version of bible, to the church leaders who are pedophiles. Basically, what I'm getting at is religion is just a way to control society. btw idrc if your religious I just don't like it when people make it their whole personality. Also, how religion influences our laws in America is a problem It's like the whole concept of separation of church and state is non-existent.
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@CatholicApologetics
I know a lot about Catholic apologetic s. you interested in debating the legitimacy of the Catholic church?
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@CatholicApologetics
Just about everybody is religious including atheists.
Meaning of religious in English
having a strong belief in a god or gods: He's deeply religious and goes to church twice a week.
having a strong belief in a god or gods: He's deeply religious and goes to church twice a week.
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@Mall
Just about everybody is religious including atheists
Sure. And science is religion too, right?
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@CatholicApologetics
If one is a conditioned atheist, then why would one bother to adopt a religion.
It would be like asking a conditioned theist to adopt atheism.
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@CatholicApologetics
Out of curiosity, what reasons are stopping you from adopting religion? Specifically, what is it about Christianity that deters you away?
Far too many dead ends and half stories and unanswered questions in the New Testamant.
Its clear that we are not being told the whole story. And neither were his ( Jesus') disciples.
And empty tomb is only evidence that a tomb was found to be empty.
A three day old rotten stinking corpse does not come back to life.
A few loaves of bread and a couple of fish will not feed 5000 nor 4000 people.
No man can walk on water.
I'll stop there , I am tired and am going to bed now.
Good night.
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@CatholicApologetics
Out of curiosity, what reasons are stopping you from adopting religion?
I have a mentality of “see it to believe it” for religion. Unless I see it with my owns eyes, I’m not gonna base my life off of a chance that said thing exists.
Specifically, what is it about Christianity that deters you away?
same as above
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@CatholicApologetics
I bet everyone has a different answer if they were to be asked. Some would say they simply aren't religious because of their current beliefs and leave it at that. They would argue that their worldview is not a religion due to its definition.
Personally, I think otherwise because everybody holds something as the most valuable in their life, whether it is an ideal, person, activity, or object; how is this any different than viewing that item as sacred? More to the point, what does it mean for something to be sacred to you besides that which you hold in the highest place? Everyone has something or somebody that sits on that pedestal. We all venerate something in our lives. We all seek comfort in some over-arching ideal that holds our view of reality together, and we seek refuge and peace in it. We cleave to our core belief with all our might. This practice seems to me like how someone would treat a god, even if the existence of god(s) is denied, so I think we all conjure a god of sorts. With my worldview, I believe there are idols/fake gods that are sought after from corruption of the mind and body and spiritual deprivation, and that there is only one true God.
Existential questions lead us to what we fashion as our belief system:
Who am I? What is the description and definition of me?
What is my purpose? What am I meant to do in my life?
What is right for me to do? So then, what is wrong for me to do? Is something that is right for me to do the same as what is right for others? Should my actions be viewed as universal laws, in which case, I should only do what I think would be right for everyone else to be doing it as well?
Many other important questions become present when we question life. And death.
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@CatholicApologetics
Well, maybe I and many others have some difficulty in 'defining religion.
Religion, Culture, Philosophy, Politics,
Seem to me to have similarities in what we think existence is, what we ought do, what we 'do.
Of Christianity,
When I was once a Christian, 10 years or so ago,
I became a Nihilist and a Hedonist before I became an Atheist,
There were parts of Christianity, Existence, and the Bible,
That to my understandings back then, had blank spaces, uncertainties,
As well as my wanting to value myself and my own interests most.
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As for my Atheism now,
I'd say it has to do with habit and increased beliefs in materialism. Though I am not 'without doubts.
. . . I would 'think the more one explores other cultures, religions, and philosophies other than Christianity,
The more one might separate from Christianity.
. . . But, if one encounters other norms one considers evil, or if one encounters other norms in the company of fellow Christians, I suppose there might be no change.
Maybe other reasons,
Missionaries exist, and Travellers, and sometimes even people singularly hold to their faiths I assume. Or perhaps their faiths view changes slightly, but they hold to it.
(Shrug)
I've heard of Atheist Christians before,
And while I may use the Bible from time to time for wisdom, or feel moved to Christian actions,
I prefer to keep my selfishness and hedonism.
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@Lemming
Overthink.
Overthink is a human specialism.
The electro-chemical storage, assessment and development of sensory acquired data.
Output in the form of fact or hypothesis.
Though some hypotheses are more speculative than others.
Most religious hypotheses have a basic and reasonable premise.
Though cosmetic elaborations such as ritual and worship tend to detract from the basic idea.
The basic idea has been sitting on the drawing board for millennia, simply because it lacks basic evidence.
That's because the basic idea, though reasonable, was purely assumptive and therefore without evidence.
So one either has a conditioned operating system that significantly accepts religious ideology, or one doesn't.
I am of the latter.
It would take a huge extra-terrestrial spaceship to make me change my mind set.
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@Stephen
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@CatholicApologetics
1. The complete lack of evidence for its claims
2. Hell doctrine (Catholicism has purgatory doctrine also, which I sort of appreciate as it isn’t so “All or nothing”)
That said, I really appreciate that Christendom led up to The Enlightenment and never looked back for the most part, which is something that cannot be said for another Abrahamic religion…
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@cristo71
Christendom...
More specifically, Protestantism.
My entire life I've been only attracted to the asian phylosophies like buddism, confusionims, taoism, because, above all else it makes sense.
Christianity, on the othe hand, doesn't make any fvking sense, except some Jesus' teaching that are really useful for one's life but it's not so different to the other phylosophies I mentioned.
In general, though, christianity is full of nonsense, contradictions, and stupid beliefs that are not good for our modern society. For example, what good do christians see in downgrading women and relegating them to house duties? For fvk's sake, these people should think better of it.
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@IlDiavolo
My entire life I've been only attracted to the asian phylosophies like buddism, confusionims, taoism, because, above all else it makes sense
Stick to Taoism since it anyway tells you that you must be with all religions.
Taoism and Satanism are only two religions which make sense.
Taoism makes sense because it tells you that you must benefit all, thus when taken to logical extreme, it can be understood as that you must try everything, every religion, even if in small amounts.
Tao is basically "Reject nothing, accept all in some amount" type of religion which is the only type of religious reasoning which makes sense.
As for Satanism, well it has cool prayers and makes sense since its good to be rich and getting what you want.
Now, I tried Christianity. But its not the Christianity which is the problem. Its the Christians. Most of them are so annoying. Like, what are you going to talk about? When is the judgment day? What did Bible mean with this verse? That gets boring really quickly.
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@CatholicApologetics
From my perspective:
- The lack of substantial evidence in any form (I have counterarguments to all the theist arguments I've become somewhat familiar with and I don't think I'm aware of good counter-counterarguments) and Occam's Razor.
- The seemingly logically contradictory notion of being able to consciously cause a different outcome than what occurred (and the subsequent indication that moral desert seems to be unjustified).
- Inverted Pascal's Wager seems to work just as well or better.
- The lack of substantial evidence in any form (I have counterarguments to all the theist arguments I've become somewhat familiar with and I don't think I'm aware of good counter-counterarguments) and Occam's Razor.
- The seemingly logically contradictory notion of being able to consciously cause a different outcome than what occurred (and the subsequent indication that moral desert seems to be unjustified).
- Inverted Pascal's Wager seems to work just as well or better.
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@Best.Korea
Stick to Taoism since it anyway tells you that you must be with all religions.Taoism and Satanism are only two religions which make sense.Taoism makes sense because it tells you that you must benefit all, thus when taken to logical extreme, it can be understood as that you must try everything, every religion, even if in small amounts.Tao is basically "Reject nothing, accept all in some amount" type of religion which is the only type of religious reasoning which makes sense.As for Satanism, well it has cool prayers and makes sense since its good to be rich and getting what you want.Now, I tried Christianity. But its not the Christianity which is the problem. Its the Christians. Most of them are so annoying. Like, what are you going to talk about? When is the judgment day? What did Bible mean with this verse? That gets boring really quickly.
I think taoism is more about "going with the flow" instead of refusing nothing. Life is all about taking decisions and when you decide to do something you are ruling out or "refusing" other things at the same time.
And I don't see any similarity between taoism and satanism. You're speaking nonsense.
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@IlDiavolo
I think taoism is more about "going with the flow" instead of refusing nothing.
Maybe you think Tao means sitting around and masturbating all day and smiling when someone punches you, but I am rather certain that those who discovered Tao had something at least a little bit greater in mind.
Life is all about taking decisions and when you decide to do something you are ruling out or "refusing" other things at the same time.
Yet Tao says that it benefits all. Thus, one should consider all decisions, and maybe even try all of them, at least in consideration or moderation, to figure out which is best at the time and which is the best path to achieve a goal. Tao knows that all is good under certain conditions, thus Tao rejects nothing.
And I don't see any similarity between taoism and satanism. You're speaking nonsense.
I just bow to the master of nonsense.
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@Best.Korea
Depends on your definition of science. From what I understand, science has to do with explanation. Religion is about beliefs practicing those beliefs.
I'm not trolling or being facetious here. Think critically for yourself for a change.
In my opinion organized religion is infected with godless evil. That is not to say I don't consider the possibility of a creator or higher power. I think the bible is a good book, but constantly bastardised by the evil with in organized religion.
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@CatholicApologetics
Out of curiosity, what reasons are stopping you from adopting religion? Specifically, what is it about Christianity that deters you away?
Is Christianity a religion?
I know it seems to be a no-brainer, but is it really?
Certainly, under some definitions, it's a religion. And if we don't want to use our brains and simply accede to the dogma of the times, I guess it falls within the definition.
It is a worldview that believes in a deity, a supernatural being, a principle, etc. Obviously, under that particular generality, it is a religion whereas say - science can't be.
Many Christians deny that Christianity is a religion. Perhaps they are all wrong? Who knows? Who cares?
Personally, I think Christianity is BOTH a religion and non-religious. Yes, it fits within the secular definition of religion, but it doesn't fit within EVERY definition of religion. Like the Hindus or is it the Buddhists, it would claim to be - a way of life. Does that mean it can't be a religion? Probably not.
Some Christians say religion is any worldview where the people within are looking to find God or nirvana or peace or whatever. This might include science, if it's purpose is to find truth for example. Interestingly, that might include Atheism. Atheism is a movement, (that's a good word isn't it?) that says there is no god. Or perhaps that there is no evidence for God. One might opine that this position implies that they are actively looking for evidence of a god. The fact that they can't find any, doesn't prevent the idea that they are looking. In fact, for them to stop looking for such evidence would either imply that they have comprehensively resolved their position or that they have stopped because they are lazy or have found better things to do.
I wouldn't adopt any other religion except Christianity. I wouldn't adopt secularism either. And the reason for this is because I like to think and use facts and purpose. Scientific facts and intuitive facts, and facts of experience and reason. Legal facts too. Philosophical facts as well. And statistics. Yes, I love statistics.
I wouldn't adopt all forms of Christianity either. I agree that some really are just shadows of the real thing. Many forms of Christianity have moved away or drifted from Christ's original intent. Of course, the one I am involved in has its own share of problems too. Yet, within the mainframe of Christianity, there is significant truth. It's why I can worship with many parts of Christianity, even if I don't agree 100% with them. But there are parameters as well.
Out of curiosity, what reasons are stopping you from adopting religion? Specifically, what is it about Christianity that deters you away?
Idk, this is kind of an essay question. I could go on a long time. Here is what jumps to mind:
- There is too much in the Bible I dislike and heartily object to.
- Christianity requires you to uncritically accept its doctrines -- that Jesus is the savior, that he rose from the dead -- and I'm just not capable of that, personally.
- My political beliefs do not align with the vast majority of Christians' and I don't think I could ever be accepted among them as anything but an imposter.
- Christianity has a long imperialist history of oppressing alternate beliefs and peoples; its historical baggage is kind of a turnoff.
- Christians can be so hypocritical that it's probably the biggest turnoff of all -- they judge thoughtlessly, hate immigrants and foreigners, vote in people who help the rich and cut funding to the poor, push legislation that makes prayer public, tout their religion performatively "to be seen of men", exalt political figures to the point of idolatry, worship Ayn Rand (wtf? her and Jesus are like matter and antimatter?) and consistently fail to love their enemies or take the parable of the Samaritan to heart. Not trying to shoot too wide here -- I'm mostly talking about American evangelicals. But they're so loud where I'm from that I'm increasingly convinced that everything I thought Christianity was really "about" is just not what Christianity is "about" anymore. Turning the other cheek would be seen as weakness by modern Christians; the poor and homeless are seen as lazy freeloaders who deserve their misery if they cannot pull themselves out of it; rich men are worshiped instead of regarded as spiritually hobbled by their morbid wealth; sinners are voted in with enthusiasm rather than regarded as cautionary tales. I think everything I used to like about Christianity is dead.
- I've never "felt" God's presence or had a real spiritual experience, and until I have, any claim to faith would be mere pretension. Plenty of people are merely imitating faith, but I have no interest in joining them.
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@zedvictor4
If one is a conditioned atheist, then why would one bother to adopt a religion.It would be like asking a conditioned theist to adopt atheism.
I disagree with the premise of the answer, people are more than just their conditioning.
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@Hero1000
Disagreement is good.
For sure, people are extravagantly complex in form and function.
Though in terms of basic post natal data programming, people are most susceptible to influence when they are children.
In that respect I am a conditioned atheist.
Though there is nothing "stopping" me from taking on board theist data, and noticing value in creator theory.
But this does not make me a theist.
More of a pragmatist, with no interest in ritual devotion to the theory.