A detailed look at why MAGA is here to stay

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The Maga movement isn't going anywhere. I know recently on the site a few have speculated that without Trump's cult of personality it collapses.

I think this mistake is due to a short memory or the site leaning very young. The Maga movement comes from the tea party movement that looked to unseat neocons and make a stand against their own party. It does cross party lines to a certain extent also which is why the teaparty movement backed Sherrod Brown in Ohio when he was first elected. https://www.npr.org/2022/05/21/1100386445/trumps-maga-is-marching-down-a-trail-blazed-by-the-tea-party


The movement very much exists without Trump. This is not about where the MAGA movement came from but whether it has sticking power and I regret to inform liberals that it does.

Movements grow in a very specific way and I studied the formation of the early Christian church to learn how movements spread or at least can spread. The study of the Christian movement by the way is why I know the woke movement regardless of what name it goes by, will also stick around, though it may be at its natural breaking point for the size it can grow to. 

Early movements usually start with uneducated outsiders. Christianity was formed by slaves, women and the poor. Or that is where the bulk of the movement was just after the death of Jesus anyway.

This is where the MAGA movement was when Trump took it over. The uneducated. The interesting thing is that just like the Christian movement and you can look at early criticisms of it at its earliest stages. A lot of the Roman texts still survive. They were .locked for being poor and stupid and people of low class. This is similar criticism as what the early MAGA movement got.

If a movement is to spread it has to leave this stage. The stage of the ignorant masses adopting it, and so successful movements go to stage 2, where some wealthy people attach themselves to fund the movement. You see the parallels with Billionaires such as Musk and Trump himself. What comes in around the same time though is what are called "apologists" these apologists are what cause the movement to spread because they give a philosophical case that can be picked up by the elites of society and spread from the elites down. This gives the movement stability.

Just listen to Ramaswamy and Vance debate. These are the MAGA equivalent of apologists and they are what is responsible for the movement spreading beyond just the lower classes. 

The MAGA movement is I. This stage so you can expect to see it predictably spread and likely the 2028 election is in the bag as well because it's going to grow beyond the current 51% of the population 

The response to this growth up to 60% will be the democratic party fighting for MAGA votes and we saw some signs of this in some elections where democrats were advertising that they agreed with Trump tarrifs. 

Fetterman and Bernie sanders despite their different policies us where you can see the type of person a MAGA Democrat would look like. 

Anyway MAGA is here to stay and will spread beyond Republicans and you may see a party shift as well, where we have the populist party containing the Trump, Sanders and Fetterman types and the Democrat party with the Cheney, Clinton and Obama types. . 
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It is better for MAGA if they dont attack the trans community.
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Trans community is a problem that will be solved with good health, proper food, and T replacement.

RFK will be in charge of solving the trans problem.
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Trans community is a problem
I know you think that trans people are a problem.
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Be mad at RFK. He will be the czar.
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The Maga movement comes from the tea party movement
P1: TEA-> Taxed enough already.
P2: Trump supports adding Tarriffs (aka a tax).  You can say a tax on companies or consumers; but a tax nonetheless.
C1: Genuine TEA party members don't support Trump.  People that like angertainment do.

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Sure if you put it into a retarded way because you have a sub 3 digit IQ and can't comprehend complexity. 

Or if you are retarded enough to think the teaparty is libertarian and not just a combination of libertarians, paleocons and fundamentalists who are negotiating policy with each other to band together against the greater evil
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You guys do know that Elon pulled Ron Paul on board to audit the government right?

I was a relovetion Paul hard. This is a dream come true.  This is literally what he would have done if he won president anyway
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I know he said he would, but now that he sits in glory the deep state will send out its tendrils to him.

What they cannot destroy they corrupt. This has been a great victory and a necessary first step but I am not confident that Trump will keep to the plan he sold us nor that he can win without lots of heeded advice from people like Elon, Ron  Paul, Ramaswamy, Tulsi, and RFK.

We the voter no longer  have any leverage on him. The only people who can offer him things are corrupt swamp monsters. They sabotaged his first term and they will do the same again if they can.

This is Trump's final test. He's either learned what game he's been playing or he hasn't.
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Or if you are retarded enough to think the teaparty is libertarian and not just a combination of libertarians, paleocons and fundamentalists who are negotiating policy with each other to band together against the greater evil
You can just say MAGA republican.

Actual libertarianism is very different from MAGA.

There is no point in arguing because you are a MAGA hack and I actually think for myself (which you like to think that you do; when you don't).

My experts went to Ivy League schools; your expert tells Americans to be in shape while being obese.

Case closed.
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@WyIted
MAGA.

Is a simple acronym and unlikely to be forgotten.

Except by most people most of the time.

Until such times when someone mentions it, and it is remembered.

In between such times, most people have a lot of more mundane but essential stuff to consider.


What does "I was a relovetion Paul Hard" mean?

Seemingly one of the first things that Trump needs to sort out is illiteracy.

Only joking.


Whether or not America was ever great, is open to discussion, anyway.


Britain was great once, and we have the name to prove it.

But Today just like America we are a nation amongst a global internet community of other nations.


Or is it just a "white" mans fading delusion thing Wylted?
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How do you fight China when they use fascist subsidies on private business to eliminate American market competition?

Tariffs.

It's much more preferable to military action or sanctions. (like we did with Russia and see how that worked out)

And much less retarded.

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Pundits had 15 candidates for Trump's VP....none of them were JD Vance...

I'll sit the predictions out on a Trump cabinet this year.
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Why worry about fighting China?

Jealous or something?

What people want is, supposedly MAGA, and cheap goods.

And China can deliver. cheap goods.

And capitalists like Trump will get rich in the process.

And the ordinary working person will stay just about the same.

And the red hat brigade, without a second thought, will continue to bleat in praise of their orange god.


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Why worry about fighting China?
Because not worrying is how nations fall. National security means not getting all your stuff from another nation that hates you. The world is a big place, and there are much nicer, compliant nations to be friends with.

And capitalists like Trump will get rich in the process.
Yeah, no way Trump will recover the billions he sacrificed of his personal wealth to serve as president since 2016. Definitely not about the money for him.

And the red hat brigade, without a second thought, will continue to bleat in praise of their orange god.
Americans worship green, not orange. And red only when expanding our 750 military bases across 80 countries worldwide.

Namaste.
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How do you fight China when they use fascist subsidies on private business to eliminate American market competition?

Tariffs
So China uses government power to give US citizens cheaper goods?

I want to say "Oh no!". I want to tell you that "Yes, you should deny Americans of cheaper goods."

Your plan is totally not retarded and surely wont backfire. Do it!
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Yes, irrelevant links will help too.
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The Opium Wars in the 19th century were deeply immoral because they forced China into a harmful trade of opium. Britain, seeking to balance its trade with China, began exporting large amounts of opium, a highly addictive drug, into China. The Chinese government tried to stop the drug trade because it was destroying lives and harming society, but Britain used military force to keep the trade going. As a result, China was forced to accept opium imports and sign "Unequal Treaties" that opened up its ports to foreign control, ceded Hong Kong to Britain, and caused lasting harm to China's sovereignty and economy.

The legacy of these wars and the subsequent foreign domination fueled a deep desire in China to reclaim control over its own economy. After being humiliated for over a century by foreign powers, China sought economic strength and independence, which is why the country today focuses heavily on manufacturing cheap goods to sell to the world. This strategy, using cheap labor and government support, allowed China to produce products at a lower cost than many Western nations, making it harder for countries like the U.S. to compete.

China's modern economic strategies—like undercutting American markets—are also shaped by this history. Having experienced foreign exploitation in the past, China is determined to maintain control over its economy and avoid dependence on other countries. Because of its position as the world’s factory and its fascist control over private industry, China can produce goods cheaply and flood global markets, often keeping prices lower than American-made products. This economic approach, rooted in China’s history of struggle, has made it difficult for the U.S. to impose significant tariffs or counter China’s dominance in certain industries.


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Really? Deleting your comments?

Were they really so bad that they had to be deleted?
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This economic approach, rooted in China’s history of struggle, has made it difficult for the U.S. to impose significant tariffs or counter China’s dominance in certain industries
Yes, remove Chinese goods and leave Americans with expensive US goods only, which will become even more expensive, as when you remove Chinese goods, the demand rises for US goods, increasing the price of US goods who cant even cover the whole US market, thus shortages.

I guess its good that they teach supply and demand in Soviet Russia.
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Lol, China isn't the only factory in the world. Grow up.
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China isn't the only factory in the world
Never claimed it was. Its a shame that you have to attack a strawman.

I guess Putin should lower your wage for this.

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It's fascinating how some people resort to making irrelevant and childish comments like this to try to provoke others. The fact that you’re tying someone's wage to a foreign political figure like Putin doesn’t add any value to the conversation. It only reveals a lack of understanding about how complex global politics and personal wages actually work. This kind of argument is rooted in empty rhetoric, not reason or fact, and it's clear you're more interested in making cheap shots than engaging in a meaningful discussion.

If you think belittling someone with this kind of juvenile comment is a clever way to win an argument, you're mistaken. Insults and attempts to embarrass are not signs of intelligence or wit—they're just tactics of someone who knows they have no valid points to make. It’s much easier to hide behind sarcastic jabs than it is to offer constructive or thoughtful discourse. Perhaps you could try engaging in a more mature and thoughtful manner if you want to be taken seriously.

Lastly, making personal attacks like this often says more about you than it does about the person you're targeting. It suggests that you're either too insecure to have a real conversation, or you're simply here to spread negativity and chaos. Either way, it's not something I’m willing to entertain. If you want to have a respectful, productive conversation, I’m happy to engage. Otherwise, it's best to keep the childish taunts to yourself.
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Britain was great once, and we have the name to prove it.

But Today just like America we are a nation amongst a global internet community of other nations.
If things continue as they have been the USA will come only as a beggar or a thief to the world and that doesn't end well.

Things happen for a reason.

GB was the first republican revolution (Cromwell). GB was the epicenter of the first stock trading (long term investment model), see wealth of nations and East India Company; and GB was one of the original focuses of the industrial revolution.

Rule of law, long term investment, efficient production. Earlier and faster than others. The empire was a consequence not a cause.

You can't stop other nations from advancing (by copying your good ideas), but you can avoid committing suicide by abandoning those good ideas. The USA and to an extent the UK are failing at that simple task.

I also believe there are still vast improvements to be made in terms of government, wealth management, technology, and production chains.


And China can deliver. cheap goods.
So can we, if it wasn't for this titanic leech on our backs.
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Its great that I dont add value to conversation. Its great that you add value to conversation by running away. Not a shameful display.
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And China can deliver. cheap goods.
So can we
Your jokes are always funny.

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 Otherwise, it's best to keep the childish taunts to yourself.
Hey, he's just trying to act like Trump, the leader of our country. At least he didn't say that he could shoot someone and not lose any DA voters.
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he's just trying to act like Trump
Greyparrot thinks insults are bad, but Greyparrot votes for Trump. Trump says lots of insults, way more than 99% of people.

I guess Greyparrot just doesnt know what he really wants from people.
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he's just trying to act like Trump
Well, I didnt call him "crooked Greyparrot".

If I called him that, then he would probably report me to mods saying how you cant call people that if you are not Trump.

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What about Sleepy Greyparrot?