Bo Burnham Songs Mafia DP1

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How us Casey's negative at all. I don't get it and I recall her saying it was negative. 

My understanding of her role is that she visits somebody and then a report is given to her about their actions or something?
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Bro, I have no issue hammering if he moves to my null or scum pile. 
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You’re thinking of Banana.

Casey claimed negative utility before we were on Banana.
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Yeah I forgot who was who. 

Let's lynch owen and if he flips innocent I will hammer whiteflame tomorrow if there are no good options
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1. It’s a “noooooo don’t lynch me” type of claim
True, though I’ll note that I’ve played scum plenty and never claimed a role like this to protect myself.

2. In both Banana and Pie’s claims, justifications up to this point have referred to lyrics in the song. Mine does as well. Whiteflame’s claim does not.
Confused me, too.

3. This is another negative town utility role, and a strong one at that. Casey already claimed one and her behavior creates a much stronger town argument for her imo. Two negative town roles may be possible, but with one of them being that punishing… it’s hard to see that.
I’m still unclear on what Casey is, but the rest of your point is about balance. It’s a fair point if we make assumptions about Casey’s role, though there have been plenty of games where the balance seemed a little off until we saw scum flips.

4. If Whiteflame’s role really is true, he has a better shot at hitting scum if he keeps it a secret. Letting himself get lynched is the better play if a late wagon is formed on him imo. Because his behavior doesn’t match the role, I’m inclined to think he’s lying about it.
I can see the point that my lynch could have killed scum, I just don’t agree with this. It’s been a while, but I’ve seen what happens when a Bomb keeps their role secret and it ends up fucking with the game. I’d prefer if you’re going to lynch me at any point because of my behavior that you do it early enough so that the effects of my lynch don’t dramatically change the game as it would later on.



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Why Owen?
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In the POE and gut
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Imma work on a vote count since Lunatic isn’t here
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"If you wake up in a house that's full of smoke, don't panic, call me and i'll tell you a joke. If you see a bunch of men in white cloaks, don't panic, call me and i'll tell you a joke. Oh sh1t... Should I be joking at a time like this?"

Owen- 2/5- Wylted, whiteflame
Whiteflame- 2 /5- casey,  mharman
pie- 1/5- banana 
banana- 1/5- Pie

3 hours remain in the day phase.

Sorry for the delay with the vote count, I'll try to keep better track of it. Wasn't expecting that burst of activity last night, and was watching a movie with my gf. 
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Ok sweet he’s here
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A lot has happened since I've been off. I'll try to catch up and post this morning but I'm not sure. 

Also I wont be active during the work day
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@Mharman
In both Banana and Pie’s claims, justifications up to this point have referred to lyrics in the song. Mine does as well. Whiteflame’s claim does not.
Same thing here. I don't like that about WF's claim. 
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@Mharman
Wait, you talking tomorrow as in Nov 4 or DP2?
Why not both? DP2
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I’m “Kill Yourself” and I’m the Suicide Bomb. Note that it’s not the Suicide Bomber. This is just like the normal Bomb where the last person on my lynch dies. Justification is that Bo is one of the few people who could do this song without getting cancelled.
So how is this functionally different than a Super Saint?
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Someone else claimed from “Inside”
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So how is this functionally different than a Super Saint?
It isn’t. Seems like the idea was to fit with the theming of the song.
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So how is this functionally different than a Super Saint?
Yeah, that doesn't make sense to me either. The normal Bomb is where whoever kills you at night also dies. The claim absolutely does not line up with the stated role. 
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It isn’t. Seems like the idea was to fit with the theming of the song.
Then why use your specific song. It doesn’t make sense. I’m sure there are other songs that could fit with Super Saint. Luna isn’t that picky when it comes to characters matching with roles.
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Yk, I don’t like Pie’s behavior. Especially with regards to how he reacted to Banana’s claim. Based on what Pie is softing, one would think he’d be confident CCing her, especially after scumreading her so hard. It’s worth noting that there’s scum alternatives to whatever ability he’s going to claim tomorrow as well.

And yet, I can’t help but think of the logical consequences of Pie being town. It would completely invalidate Banana’s claim in my book.

It’s worth noting that between Pie, Banana, and I, there would potentially be three roles that investigate a players’ night actions. I was quick to believe Banana’s claim because it was a rather weak role, much like mine. But I suppose it’s not out of the question for Lunatic to pair a stronger role with a weaker one, in which case Pie’s claim is more likely to be paired with mine than Banana’s.

It’s also worth noting that Banana and I have roles that gather the same information, just in different ways. That synergy between our roles, could also be a conflict. Perhaps I should be CCing Banana, not Pie. I’ll say this: I’m at least willing to say I’m soft CCing one of them.

But if Banana is fake claiming, what is the scum alternative to her character?

Anything and everything, all of the time
A little bit of everything, all of the time
Agony’s a tragedy and boredom is a crime
Anything and everything, all of the time

I could honestly see this as a mafia JOAT. I’ve listened to this song before. The song goes on to describe various things one can do on the internet, which could be taken as a list of possible JOAT abilities.

Finally, if her claim is fake, it means mafia had a claim ready. This probably means Banana got help.

Remember Casey’s earlier point about Whiteflame? I do. Whiteflame pushed Banana for a claim, but didn’t vote. This was before Casey and Wylted put votes on her.

I could see a Whiteflame-Banana team under this lens. This is the third time Whiteflame has come up in one of my theories. First it was Casey-Whiteflame, then it was Pie-Whiteflame, and now it’s this one.

While there’s still debate to be had about Banana vs Pie, I’m looking at the big picture and seeing all roads lead to Whiteflame.
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VTL Pie

For reasons mentioned earlier. 
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How do you go about looking for people to pressure?
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I would prefer a Whiteflame lynch here. Hammering his claim is a bit risky, but I’m confident he’s scum.

Does your role have anything to prevent a town death if we lynch Whiteflame and he’s not lying about his role?
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Okay, I dabbled in maybe taking a stand for a Pie Lynch, but I don't think this is the time or place. I'll trust you.

VTL Whiteflame

And no, my role does not do that.
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Perhaps I should be the one CCing Banana, not Pie
Fixed
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How do you go about looking for people to pressure?
Changes in behavior mainly. Lies/misleading statements. For noobs its reactions as well
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For noobs its reactions as well
Ah, there it is. Recalibrating…
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Then why use your specific song. It doesn’t make sense. I’m sure there are other songs that could fit with Super Saint. Luna isn’t that picky when it comes to characters matching with roles.
Now we’re just getting into modpsych. Bombs and Super Saints have both come up in previous games, so it’s just a matter of which you think is more likely in this game, and with this song almost a given to be in this game, I could see why he’d choose to go this way.