The ethics of murder, abortion Euthanasia etc.

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Before I go further let me clarify that not all murder is equal. It's why we have degrees of murder in the law books. I would also include suicide as a form of murder and state that any loss of life is a tragedy.  Feel free to skip to the section on murder that interests you, however a prerequisite or two on how I decide the value of life.


#  What is our purpose

I am not here to defend this. At least not in this post but maybe if anyone asks for Clarification. Out purpose is to expand our consciousness and consciousness in general.

There are two forces in the universe. One that fights for turning all things into automated beings to the point where we seize to exist beyond being philosophical zombies and another force that wants us to be more conscious and it's a battle between these forces I refer to as God and Satan.

While one force turns us into zombies watching t.v. or TikTok and being passive in existence the other makes the universe more aware and you can see it by computers beginning to even exhibit some form of consciousness.

So in my view consciousness is good and turning into philosophical zombies is bad. Now how this belief influences my thoughts on murder will be seen below.

#  abortion/infanticide

Abortion is wrong because it prevents consciousness from expanding. From making the world more conscious. However I wouldn't consider it the same level as shooting a stranger in the face. Same with infanticide. I think the punishments for infanticide are too much and of course if a woman has to choose between her health and that of a child it should be her decision and hers alone and she shouldn't be judged for it.

Now you might ask. What about the logical conclusion to this . If it is unethical to abort kids because it prevents consciousness expansion than is it also unethical not to have a bunch of children.  The answer is yes. If you are a healthy and stable adult in a relationship with a stable and healthy partner, it is unethical not to have a bunch of children. It's also unethical to be unstable and not pursue a healthy relationship for the same reasons.

#  war

Remember I care about level of consciousness as well as amount of consciousness. We can divide humans into savages and non savages. It is unethical to kill savages, however it is more unethical to kill non savages and if we have nations like Israel who are competing with savages for their very existence it is ethical for Israel to do what is necessary so their citizens can survive as well as be fruitful and multiply. This is the same reason that colonialism is acceptable. Not because of non savages replacing savage populations but because colonialism often does a lot to civilized savage populations.  I would consider all fundamentalist of all religions savages as well. While Christian fundamentalist is more safe than Islamic fundamentalist belief, both peoples are savages who need to be civilized.

# life extension

Expansion of consciousness should be out main goals and since we have a moral obligation to create more consciousness we also have a moral obligation to expand our own as well as extend how long our consciousness continues to exist.  We should seek to obtain physical immortality.

If we assume that we Wil gain physical immortality it makes the following subjects necessary to address.

# Euthanasia

While I was pro Euthanasia because we also not to respect people's rights they way it has been implemented is disgusting so until we can do Euthanasia like civilized humans instead of savages, it needs to be banned.

# space exploration

We need to be concerned about overpopulation as we continue to create more and more immortal people so what Elon Musk is doing to make us a space faring people is important.

#  artificial intelligence

We have a moral obligation to try and replicate the brains of anyone who has ever died as well as anyone who might ever exist. We also should be recklessly pursuing super AI .

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If you are a healthy and stable adult in a relationship with a stable and healthy partner, it is unethical not to have a bunch of children
Are you saying that a man should rape a woman who refuses to have children to make her pregnant against her will, since its ethical to make more humans no matter what?

I am not sure how I would feel about that. On one hand, a woman who is raped might feel bad about it. On the other hand, if more people are given birth to, it means that even more people might be raped.

I always ask people who want to give birth: "How do you know that you are not giving birth to a rapist?"

It seems rather mean to give birth without first making sure fetus wont be a rapist.

Also, I ask: "How do you know that person you are giving birth to wont be raped, hate his life or die a painful death in some  accident?"

When people give birth, its literally just a lottery and they are just hoping they wont lose.
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Also, Satan is smarter than Jesus. I dont think Satan wants you to just watch YouTube all day, but even if you do, who cares. I wish I was a brainless zombie, but I guess we cant have all we want.
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Are you saying that a man should rape a woman who refuses to have children to make her pregnant against her will, since its ethical to make more humans no matter what?
Raping would to a certain extent reduce her freewill and thus level of consciousness, so it is more ethical to have sex with a willing participant. 
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Raping would to a certain extent reduce her freewill and thus level of consciousness, so it is more ethical to have sex with a willing participant.
So its woman's choice, and if woman doesnt want to be a baby factory, no one can do anything about it.

Praise Satan!

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. I wish I was a brainless zombie,
Hey, you don't want to be a Republican like Gp.
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Would you say that humanity should move from planet to planet in order to colonize, reproduce and drain the planet of it's resources, then repeat, in perpetuity?
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What resources are there to drain? Do you imagine we'll be sifting for fissile isotopes for our entire existence?
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Haven't quite worked Mars out yet.

Let alone interstellar or intergalactic travel.

Perhaps a job for A.I.
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Would you say that humanity should move from planet to planet in order to colonize, reproduce and drain the planet of it's resources, then repeat, in perpetuity?
Yes
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Hey, you don't want to be a Republican like Gp.
Wylted is already a Republican and I can prove it. Observe the following quote from earlier in this thread:

We can divide humans into savages and non savages. It is unethical to kill savages, however it is more unethical to kill non savages
Case closed.
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This is true. It's one of the things you can test somebody for and almost 100% guess their political affiliation. If somebody believes all cultures are equal they tend to be liberal if somebody thinks some cultures are disgusting as fuck they tend to be conservative
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If somebody believes all cultures are equal they tend to be liberal if somebody thinks some cultures are disgusting as fuck they tend to be conservative
If it's as simple as that I think you can pretty much prove that ignorance predicts being liberal because if someone knows that some cultures encourage murdering fellow humans and then making clothing out of their skin, eating their hearts, burning them alive, etc... etc... and still thinks all cultures are equal....

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It's an odd cognitive dissonance because they also try to make all cultural degenerate 
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#  war

Remember I care about level of consciousness as well as amount of consciousness. We can divide humans into savages and non savages. It is unethical to kill savages, however it is more unethical to kill non savages and if we have nations like Israel who are competing with savages for their very existence it is ethical for Israel to do what is necessary so their citizens can survive as well as be fruitful and multiply. This is the same reason that colonialism is acceptable. Not because of non savages replacing savage populations but because colonialism often does a lot to civilized savage populations.  I would consider all fundamentalist of all religions savages as well. While Christian fundamentalist is more safe than Islamic fundamentalist belief, both peoples are savages who need to be civilized.
Is it savagery for Palestinians to chant ‘Jews will not replace us’? 
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Is it savagery for Palestinians to chant ‘Jews will not replace us’? 
No,