The Deep State

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Trump is a complete ignoramus who doesn't understand how anything works so his ideas and impulses are often dangerous
So dangerous that suddenly all those 'crimes' he committed before when he was shaking Oprah's hand become interesting.

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Trump is dangerous because he caused every problem from 2021-2024.
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Trump is dangerous because he caused every problem from 2021-2024.
Tru-dat!
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Who else has been like President Trump as president in the White House?
Absolutely no one. What's your point?
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So dangerous that suddenly all those 'crimes' he committed before when he was shaking Oprah's hand become interesting.
If there was some clever point imbedded within your post I missed it.
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Thank you he's in a class all by himself, including his mind too, you know you made my point. Don't even go into the pretense.
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Thank you he's in a class all by himself, including his mind too, you know you made my point.
A point I already refuted as meaningless. I never disputed that he has his own mind, I did however use the flat earth example to show first of all that demonstrating independent thought is not limited to believing things no one else does, and second that independent thought of the kind you seem to be boasting about is not a virtue. Do you have a response to any of that?
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For those who don't click on links without a hint, it's all the warmongers and professional liars endorsing Kamala.

To keep the money laundering going, agents of the deep state will always do what they can to keep military and pharmaceutical funding going.
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No because my point was just about having his own mind so you took this miles away from my destination of the point I was making.


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So, when they ask you who is in the deep state; here is a subset of the suspect list:


President of National Security Leaders for America:
Rear Admiral Michael E. Smith, USN (Ret)

Steering Committee of National Security Leaders for America:
Ambassador Charles C. Adams, Jr. (Fmr)
Ambassador Jeff Bleich (Fmr)
Ambassador Judith Beth Cefkin (Ret)
Major General Peter S. Cooke, USA (Ret)
Thomas M. Countryman, Minister Counselor (Ret), former Acting Under Secretary of State
Ambassador Cindy L. Courville, Ph.D. (Fmr), former Special Assistant to the President, National Security Council
Rear Admiral Scott Deitchman, M.D., M.P.H., USPHS (Ret)
Brigadier General John Wade Douglass, USAF (Ret), former Assistant Secretary of the Navy
Linda Jackson, Spouse of retired Senior Military Leader
Rear Admiral Katharine L. Laughton, USN (Ret)
Lieutenant General Charles D. Luckey, USA (Ret)
Major General Randy Manner, USA (Ret)
Brigadier General Mark A. Montjar, USA (Ret)
F. Whitten Peters, former Secretary of the Air Force
Ambassador Robert Annan Riley, III (Ret)
John C. Rogers, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense
Rear Admiral Todd Jay Squire, USN (Ret)
Jack Thomas Tomarchio, former Principal Deputy Under Secretary of Homeland Security
Brigadier General Daniel P. Woodward, USAF (Ret)

Senior Military Spouse Advisors:
Theresa T. Buchanan, J.D.
Becky R. France, MEd,
Dale Allen Hamby
Mary Jo Myers
Brook Rich
Rebekah Sanderlin
Ellen Waterfield Smith
Anne M. Squire

Members of National Security Leaders for America:
Admiral Steve Abbot, USN (Ret)
Senior Master Sergeant Thomas S. Adair, USAF (Ret)
Brigadier General Clara L. Adams-Ender, Ph.D. (Hon), USA (Ret)
Terry Adirim, M.D., former Acting Assistant Secretary of Defense
Major General James A. Adkins, USA (Ret)
Karen Aguilar, Minister Counselor (Ret), former Political Advisor to NATO SACT, State Dept
Parney C. Albright, Ph.D., former Assistant Secretary of Homeland Security
John W. Aldis, M.D., M.P.H., Minister Counselor (Ret), former Regional Medical Officer, State Dept
Scott Allen, former US Executive Director, European Bank for Reconstruction and Development
Eric Robert Allison, former Deputy Assistant Director, Central Intelligence Agency
Chuck Alsup, former Assistant Deputy Director, ODNI
Michael Amato, former Communications Director, Dept of Agriculture
Ambassador Brooke D. Anderson (Fmr), former Chief of Staff, National Security Council
Brigadier General Steven M. Anderson, USA (Ret)
Wendy R. Anderson, former Chief of Staff to the Deputy Secretary of Defense
Rear Admiral Thomas L. Andrews, III, USN (Ret)
Command Sergeant Major Victor Sean Angry, USA (Ret)
Brigadier General Ricardo Aponte, USAF (Ret)
Major General James E. Archer, USA (Ret)
Vice Admiral Donald C. Arthur, M.D., J.D., USN (Ret)
Ambassador Alexander Arvizu (Ret), former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State
Kishla A. Askins, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Veterans Affairs
Ambassador Mark L. Asquino (Ret)
Rear Admiral Tom Atkin, USCG (Ret), former Acting Assistant Secretary of Defense
Caroline Atkinson, former Deputy National Security Advisor to the President
Ambassador Daniel Baer (Fmr), former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State
Vicky A. Bailey, former Assistant Secretary of Energy
Brian Baird, Ph.D., former U.S. Representative (WA-3)
Rear Admiral Edward L. Baker, Jr., M.D., USPHS (Ret)
Rear Admiral Michael S. Baker, M.D., USN (Ret)
Command Sergeant Major Michael M. Balch, USA (Ret)
Brigadier General Dale R. Barber, USA (Ret)
Major General Donna Barbisch, USA (Ret)
Ambassador Erica Barks-Ruggles (Ret), former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State
Rear Admiral James Arden Barnett, Jr., USN (Ret), former Bureau Chief, Federal Communications Commission
Walter L. Barrows, Ph.D., former National Intelligence Officer, National Intelligence Council
Major General Arthur M. Bartell, USA (Ret)
Ambassador Frederick Barton (Fmr), former Assistant Secretary of State
Jeremy Bash, former Chief of Staff, Dept of Defense
Kristen F. Bauer, Minister Counselor (Ret), former Deputy Chief of Mission, State Dept
Rear Admiral William D. Baumgartner, USCG (Ret)
Carolyn Howland Becraft, former Assistant Secretary of the Navy
Peter Michael Becraft, former INS Deputy Commissioner, Dept of Justice
Ambassador Robert M. Beecroft (Ret)
John A. Beed, Minister Counselor (Ret), former Mission Director, USAID
Rear Admiral Charles J. Beers, Jr., USN (Ret)
Rand Beers, former Acting Secretary of Homeland Security
Emmett Beliveau, former Director, White House Military Office
Dave Belote, former Executive Director, Dept of Defense
Virginia L. Bennett, Minister Counselor (Ret), former Acting Assistant Secretary of State
Dan Berman, Minister Counselor (Ret), Dept of Agriculture
Catherine Bertini, former Under Secretary General, United Nations
Ambassador Bruce G. Berton (Ret)
Ambassador Don Beyer (Fmr), U.S. Representative (VA-8)
Jeffrey P. Bialos, former Deputy Under Secretary of Defense
Ambassador J.D. Bindenagel (Ret)
Hans Binnendijk, Ph.D., former Senior Director, National Security Council
Ambassador Jack R. Binns (Ret)
Ambassador Robert D. Blackwill (Ret), former Deputy Assistant to the President, National Security Council
Charles Blanchard, former General Counsel, Dept of the Air Force
Lieutenant General Ronald R. Blanck, DO, USA (Ret)
Ambassador John W. Blaney (Ret)
Beryl Blecher, Minister Counselor (Ret), former Senior Commercial Officer, Dept of Commerce
Charles H. Blum, former Assistant US Trade Representative
Chidi Blyden, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense
Ambassador Barbara Bodine (Ret), former Acting Coordinator for Counterterrorism, State Dept
Major General Charles F. Bolden, Jr., USMC (Ret), former Administrator, NASA
Ambassador Michele Thoren Bond (Ret), former Assistant Secretary of State
Ambassador Amy L. Bondurant (Fmr)
Jason Bordoff, former Special Assistant to the President, National Security Council
Ambassador Richard Boucher (Ret), former Assistant Secretary of State
Ambassador Charles Richard Bowers (Ret)
Vice Admiral William C. Bowes, USN (Ret), former Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Navy
Paul L. Boyd, Counselor (Ret), former Consul General, State Dept
Spencer Boyer, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense
Lieutenant General John A. Bradley, USAF (Ret)
William Lewis Brant, II, former Foreign Agricultural Service Deputy Assistant Administrator
Ambassador Aurelia E. Brazeal (Ret), former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State
John Brennan, former Director, Central Intelligence Agency
Joel F. Brenner, Ph.D., J.D., former Inspector General, National Security Agency
Ambassador James Walter Brewster, Jr. (Fmr)
Ambassador Kenneth C. Brill (Ret)
Ambassador Timothy M. Broas (Fmr)
Rosa Brooks, former Counselor to the Under Secretary of Defense
Rear Admiral Claire V. Broome, M.D., USPHS (Ret), former Deputy Director, CDC
David G. Brown, Counselor (Ret), former Office Director, State Dept
Dolores Marie Brown, Minister Counselor (Ret), former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State
Rear Admiral Michael J. Browne, USN (Ret)
Lee Anthony Brudvig, Minister Counselor (Ret), former Deputy Chief of Mission, State Dept
Mark Brunner, former Senior Advisor to U.S. Senator
Ambassador George Bruno, Esq. (Fmr), former Diplomatic Advisor, Dept of the Army
Melissa A. Bryant, former Senior Advisor to the Secretary of Veterans Affairs
Ambassador Susan Flood Burk (Fmr), former Acting Assistant Secretary of State
Brigadier General Edward G. Burley, USA (Ret)
Sergeant Major Will Burton, USMC (Ret)
Rear Admiral John D. Butler, USN (Ret)
Michael A. Butler, Ph.D., Minister Counselor (Ret), former Deputy Chief of Mission, State Dept
Rear Admiral Fred Byus, Sr., USN (Ret)
Louis E. Caldera, former Secretary of the Army
Lieutenant General Donald M. Campbell, Jr., USA (Ret)
John Ross Campbell, former Deputy Under Secretary of Defense
Brigadier General Kristine Koetting Campbell, Ph.D., USA (Ret)
Michael Camuñez, former Assistant Secretary of Commerce
Brigadier General George J. Cannelos, USAF (Ret), former Federal Co-Chair, Denali Commission (Alaska)
Sergeant Major Rosemarie Tirado Caraballo, USA (Ret)
Robert Cardillo, former Director, National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency
Brigadier General David P. Carey, USA (Ret)
Vice Admiral Richard H. Carmona, M.D., USPHS (Ret), former Surgeon General, HHS
James Carouso, Minister Counselor (Ret), former Chargé d’Affaires, State Dept
Patrick G. Carrick, Ph.D., former Agency Director, Dept of Homeland Security
James Carson, former Deputy Staff Chief, Central Intelligence Agency
Ambassador Phillip Carter, III (Ret), former Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of State
Asha Castleberry-Hernandez, former Senior Advisor, State Dept
Major General William D. Catto, USMC (Ret)
David Stuart Caulfield, former Chief of Defense Combating Terrorism Center, Defense Intelligence Agency
Rear Admiral Bill Center, USN (Ret)
Glenn Chafetz, former Chief of Station, Central Intelligence Agency
Brigadier General Stephen A. Cheney, USMC (Ret)
Brigadier General Douglas Cherry, USA (Ret)
General Peter W. Chiarelli, USA (Ret)
Phillip T. Chicola, Minister Counselor (Ret), former Chargé d’Affaires, State Dept
Steven Chu, former Secretary of Energy
Lieutenant General Jim Clapper, USAF (Ret), former Director of National Intelligence
General Wesley Clark, USA (Ret)
Richard A. Clarke, former Special Advisor to the President, National Security Council
Hillary Rodham Clinton, former Secretary of State, former U.S. Senator (D-NY)
Rear Admiral Bill W. Cobb, Jr., USN (Ret)
Rear Admiral Mitchell L. Cohen, M.D., USPHS (Ret)
William Cohen, former Secretary of Defense, former U.S. Senator (R-ME)
Brent Colburn, former Assistant Secretary of Homeland Security
Joseph John Collins, Ph.D., former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense
Erin C. Conaton, former Under Secretary of Defense
John Conger, former Principal Deputy Under Secretary of Defense
Ambassador Frederick B. Cook (Ret)
Thomas E. Cooney, Minister Counselor (Ret), former Chargé d’Affaires, State Dept
Rear Admiral Jose F. Cordero, M.D., USPHS (Ret), former Assistant Surgeon General, HHS
Stephen K. Craven, Counselor (Ret), former Commercial Counselor, Dept of Commerce
Daniel T. Crocker, Counselor (Ret), former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Commerce
Senior Chief Petty Officer Marilee Cunningham, USN (Ret)
Ambassador Carolyn Curiel (Fmr), former Special Assistant to the President, White House
Major General Lewis E. Curtis, III, USAF (Ret)
Lanie P. D'Alessandro, former Office Director, Central Intelligence Agency
William Daitch, former Assistant Director, Dept of Homeland Security
John Howard Dalton, former Secretary of the Navy
Kathleen Steele Danner, former Assistant Secretary of Health, Spouse of retired Senior Military Leader
Major General Stephen L. Danner, USA (Ret)
Richard Danzig, former Secretary of the Navy
Melinda McMillon Darby, former Executive Director, Dept of Defense

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Janine Davidson, former Under Secretary of the Navy
Steven Davila, former Office Director, National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency
Major General Andrew B. Davis, USMC (Ret)
Major General Gordon Bryant Davis, Jr., USA (Ret), former NATO Deputy Assistant Secretary General
Sergeant Major Kim Eugene Davis, USMC (Ret)
Rear Admiral Phil Davis, USN (Ret)
Ambassador Ruth A. Davis (Ret), former Director General of the US Foreign Service, State Dept
Lieutenant General Michael S. Davison, Jr., USA (Ret)
David G. Delaney, former Acting Associate General Counsel, Dept of Homeland Security
Ambassador Jeffrey DeLaurentis (Ret), former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State
Ambassador Greg Delawie (Ret), former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State
Ambassador Christopher W. Dell (Ret)
Major General Genaro James Dellarocco, USA (Ret)
Abraham Denmark, former Senior Advisor to the Secretary of Defense
Brian Detter, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Navy
John Deutch, former Deputy Secretary of Defense, former Director, Central Intelligence Agency
Robert S. Deutsch, Minister Counselor (Ret), former Senior Advisor, State Dept
Judd Devermont, former Senior Director, National Security Council
Elizabeth DiGregorio, former Director of the FEMA National Citizen Corps Office, Dept of Homeland Security
Brigadier General Charles O. Dillard, M.D., USA (Ret)
Robert Dixon, Jr., former Defense Intelligence Senior Executive, Defense Intelligence Agency
Major General John Doesburg, USA (Ret)
Ambassador Kathleen Ann Doherty (Ret), former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State
Brigadier General Barbara Doornink, USA (Ret)
Byron L. Dorgan, former U.S. Senator (D-ND)
Rush Doshi, former Deputy Senior Director, National Security Council
John M. Doyon, former Senior Executive, National Security Agency
Joy Drucker, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State
Melvin G. Dubee, former Deputy Staff Director, Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
Barbara A. Duckworth, former Chief of Staff, Defense Intelligence Agency
Martha E. Duncan, former Chief of HUMINT Enterprise Management, Dept of Defense
Vice Admiral Joseph Wendell Dyer, USN (Ret)
Ambassador William C. Eacho (Fmr)
Fran Early, former Office Director, Dept of Defense
Major General Paul Dale Eaton, USA (Ret)
Ambassador William Alan Eaton (Ret), former Assistant Secretary of State
R.P. Eddy, former Director, National Security Council
Lieutenant General Albert Edmonds, USAF (Ret)
Brigadier General Thomas N. Edmonds, J.D., USAF (Ret)
Brigadier General Lewie Edwards, USAF (Ret)
Ambassador Stuart Eizenstat (Fmr), former Deputy Secretary of the Treasury
Carolyn McGiffert Ekedahl, former Deputy Assistant Inspector General, Central Intelligence Agency
General Larry R. Ellis, USA (Ret)
Dawn Ellison, former Deputy Inspector General, Central Intelligence Agency
Ambassador Gregory W. Engle (Ret)
Major General William Enyart, USA (Ret), former U.S. Representative (IL-12)
Andrew Stephen Earl Erickson, Counselor (Ret), former Consul General, State Dept
Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps John L. Estrada, USMC (Ret), former Ambassador
Rear Admiral Stephen C. Evans, USN (Ret)
Roland P. Fabia, former Defense Intelligence Senior Executive, Defense Intelligence Agency
Ambassador Kenneth Fairfax (Ret)
Richard Falkenrath, former Deputy Homeland Security Advisor, National Security Council
Julie Farnam, former Assistant Director of Intelligence, US Capitol Police
Major General Barbara Faulkenberry, USAF (Ret)
Ambassador John Feeley (Ret), former Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of State
Brigadier General Robert John Felderman, USA (Ret)
Ambassador Daniel Feldman (Ret), former Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan
First Sergeant Joanne Marie Ferguson, USA (Ret)
Ilsa E. Ferro, former Chief of Equal Opportunity Office, Defense Intelligence Agency
Michèle A. Flournoy, former Under Secretary of Defense
Jason W. Forrester, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense
Major General Eugene Fox, USA (Ret), former Deputy Director of the Strategic Defense Initiative, Dept of Defense
John G. Fox, Counselor (Ret), former Office Director, State Dept
Brigadier General Martin E.B. France, Ph.D., USAF (Ret)
Paul Frandano, former Senior Executive, Central Intelligence Agency
Vice Admiral Michael T. Franken, USN (Ret)
Patricia A. Fraser, former Senior Executive, National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency
Rear Admiral Michael S. Frick, USN (Ret)
Mike Fuchs, former Deputy Chief of Staff to the Vice President
Glen S. Fukushima, former Deputy Assistant US Trade Representative
Brenda Sue Fulton, former Assistant Secretary of Veterans Affairs
Ambassador Laurie S. Fulton (Fmr)
Ambassador Julie Furuta-Toy (Ret)
Ambassador Peter W. Galbraith (Fmr), former Assistant Secretary General, United Nations
Rear Admiral James M. Galloway, M.D., USPHS (Ret), former Regional Health Administrator, HHS
Brigadier General W. Bryan Gamble, M.D., USA (Ret)
Lenora Peters Gant, Ph.D., former Assistant Deputy DNI for Human Capital, Spouse of retired Senior Military Leader
Larry A. Garber, former Mission Director, USAID
Janice B. Gardner, former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury
Bishop M. Garrison, Jr., former Senior Advisor to the Secretary of Defense
Lieutenant General Walter Edward Gaskin, USMC (Ret)
Master Gunnery Sergeant Joe Geeter, III, USMC (Ret)
Brigadier General Jonathan George, USAF (Ret)
Ambassador Robert S. Gilchrist (Ret), former Senior Bureau Official, State Dept
Major General P. David Gillett, Jr., USAF (Ret)
Rear Admiral Bruce L. Gillingham, M.D., USN (Ret)
Richard S. Gilpin, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Navy
Brigadier General Robert A. Glacel, USA (Ret)
Ambassador Anthony F. Godfrey (Ret)
Melvin Allan Goodman, Ph.D., former Division Chief, Central Intelligence Agency
Sherri Goodman, former Deputy Under Secretary of Defense
Brigadier General Leon Goodson, USAF (Ret)
Rose Gottemoeller, former Under Secretary of State
Michael J. Gottlieb, former Special Assistant to the President, White House
W. Scott Gould, former Deputy Secretary of Veterans Affairs
Ambassador Gary A. Grappo (Ret)
Ambassador Gordon Gray (Ret), former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State
Command Sergeant Major Althea Green, Ph.D., USA (Ret)
Vice Admiral Kevin Patrick Green, USN (Ret)
Jon Greenwald, Minister Counselor (Ret), former Office Director, State Dept
Chief Master Sergeant Billy Gregory, Jr., USAF (Ret)
William R. Grundmann, former Deputy Director for Intelligence Production, Defense Intelligence Agency
Anne C. Gruner, former Deputy Center Director, Central Intelligence Agency
Jay K. Gruner, former Chief of Station, Central Intelligence Agency
Scott B. Gudes, former Staff Director, US Senate Budget Committee
Ambassador Michael Guest (Ret)
Vice Admiral Lee Gunn, USN (Ret)
Rear Admiral Don Guter, USN (Ret)
Ambassador Howard Gutman (Fmr)
Dean J. Haas, Minister Counselor (Ret), former Consul General, State Dept
Major General Richard S. Haddad, USAF (Ret)
Rear Admiral Marlene E. Haffner, M.D., USPHS (Ret), former Director of the Office of Orphan Products Development, FDA
Chuck Hagel, former Secretary of Defense, former U.S. Senator (R-NE)
Ambassador Anne Hall (Ret)
Katherine J. Hall, former Office Director, Central Intelligence Agency
Major General Irv Halter, USAF (Ret)
Rear Admiral Janice M. Hamby, DM, USN (Ret), former Chancellor of College of Information and Cyberspace, National Defense University
Lieutenant General Michael A. Hamel, USAF (Ret)
Daniel S. Hamilton, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State
William Hammink, Career Minister (Ret), former Assistant to the Administrator, USAID
Ambassador S. Fitzgerald Haney (Fmr)
Mary B. Hannagan, former Director of Staffing and Career Development, ODNI
R. David Harden, Minister Counselor (Ret), former Assistant Administrator, USAID
Rear Admiral Bryan D. Hardin, Sr., Ph.D., USPHS (Ret), former Deputy Director, NIOSH
Anne M. Harrington, former Deputy Administrator, Dept of Energy
Ambassador Anthony Harrington (Fmr), former Chair, President's Intelligence Oversight Board
Command Master Chief Petty Officer Octavia D. Harris, M.S., USN (Ret)
Ambassador Roger Gran Harrison, Ph.D. (Ret), former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State
Gary Hart, former U.S. Senator (D-CO)
Ambassador Sam Hart (Ret)
Ambassador Douglas A. Hartwick (Ret), former Assistant US Trade Representative

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Thomas Nelson Harvey, former Special Assistant to the President, National Security Council
Brigadier General Tom Harvey, USA (Ret)
Ambassador Patricia M. Haslach (Ret), former Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of State
Andrea M. Hattler Bramson, former Deputy Office Director, Central Intelligence Agency
General Michael V. Hayden, USAF (Ret), former Director, Central Intelligence Agency
Major General Ralph Lewis Haynes, M.D., MBA, USA (Ret)
General Richard Davis Hearney, USMC (Ret)
Ambassador John A. Heffern (Ret), former Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of State
Ambassador Samuel D. Heins (Fmr)
Rear Admiral Clare Helminiak, M.D., M.P.H., USPHS (Ret), former Deputy Director for Medical Surge, HHS
Eric E. Herbst, former Senior Executive, National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency
Camille Hersh, former Chief of Facilities Support, Central Intelligence Agency
Bonnie Hershberg, former Director of Training, Central Intelligence Agency
Lieutenant General Mark Hertling, USA (Ret)
Ambassador Bruce Alan Heyman (Fmr)
Eric L. Hirschhorn, former Under Secretary of Commerce
John R. Hoag, former Principal Director for Policy, US Mission to NATO
Ambassador Richard E. Hoagland (Ret), former Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of State
Lieutenant General Ben Hodges, USA (Ret)
Christopher J. Hoh, former Senior Advisor, State Dept
Ambassador J. Anthony Holmes (Ret), former Deputy Commander of US Africa Command, Dept of Defense
Victoria K. Holt, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State
Richard David Hooker, Jr., former Senior Director, National Security Council
Charles L. Hopkins, III, former Deputy Under Secretary of Energy
Sally K. Horn, former Director, Office of the Secretary of Defense
Michael Horowitz, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense
Samuel M. Hoskinson, former Vice Chairman, National Intelligence Council
Sharon A. Houy, former Chief of Staff, Defense Intelligence Agency
Ambassador Michael Stephen Hoza (Ret)
Brigadier General Kenneth Hubbard, USA (Ret)
Ambassador Vicki J. Huddleston (Ret), former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense
Rear Admiral James M. Hughes, M.D., USPHS (Ret)
Ambassador Marie Therese Huhtala (Ret)
Ambassador Thomas N. Hull, III (Ret)
Martin Hurwitz, former Director of General Defense Intelligence Program Staff, Dept of Defense
Steven Marc Huybrechts, Ph.D., former Acting Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense
Ambassador Karl F. Inderfurth (Fmr), former Assistant Secretary of State
Brigadier General Chris Inglis, USAF (Ret), former U.S. National Cyber Director, White House
Admiral Bobby R. Inman, USN (Ret)
Ambassador Robert P. Jackson (Ret), former Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of State
Morris E. Jacobs, Counselor (Ret), former Senior Advisor, State Dept
Ambassador Susan S. Jacobs (Ret)
Deborah Lee James, former Secretary of the Air Force
Major General Randy Jayne, USAF (Ret), former Associate Director, Office of Management & Budget
Raymond M. Jefferson, former Assistant Secretary of Labor
Brigadier General Axel A. Johnson, III, Ph.D., USA (Ret)
Command Chief Master Sergeant Jack Johnson, Jr., USAF (Ret)
Brigadier General James Darwin Johnson, USA (Ret)
Major General James C. Johnson, USAF (Ret)
Jeh Johnson, former Secretary of Homeland Security
Master Chief Petty Officer Valerie Ann Johnston, USN (Ret)
Brigadier General Jerome Jones, USAF (Ret)
Lieutenant General Jan-Marc Jouas, USAF (Ret)
Colin Kahl, former Under Secretary of Defense
Shanthi Kalathil, former Deputy Assistant to the President, National Security Council
Rear Admiral Douglas B. Kamerow, M.D., USPHS (Ret)
Mara Karlin, former Assistant Secretary of Defense
Jeanne Karstens, former Director of Operations, Dept of Defense
Senior Chief Petty Officer Denis C. Kaufman, USN (Ret)
Ambassador Richard D. Kauzlarich (Ret), former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State
Elinor Houghton Kelly, former Chief of the Directorate of Operations Targeting Board, Central Intelligence Agency
Laurie S. Kelly, former Defense Intelligence Senior Executive, Defense Intelligence Agency
Lieutenant General Richard L. Kelly, USMC (Ret)
Robert William Kelly, J.D., former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense
Fleet Master Chief Raymond D. Kemp, Sr., USN (Ret)
Brigadier General Jeffrey B. Kendall, USAF (Ret)
Ambassador Laura E. Kennedy (Ret), former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State
Larry D. Kerr, Ph.D., former Acting Senior Director, National Security Council
Bob Kerrey, former U.S. Senator (D-NE)
Lieutenant General Donald L. Kerrick, USA (Ret), former Deputy National Security Advisor to the President
John Kerry, 68th Secretary of State, former Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee (D-MA)
Scott F. Kilner, Minister Counselor (Ret), former Consul General, State Dept
Brigadier General John Thomas King, Jr., USA (Ret)
Ambassador Michael David Kirby (Ret), former Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of State
Robert Kirkner, former Senior Executive, National Institute of Standards and Technology
Rear Admiral William Robert Kiser, M.D., USN (Ret)
Lieutenant General Frank G. Klotz, USAF (Ret), former Under Secretary of Energy
Christine Lizbeth Kluh, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Veterans Affairs
Susan J. Koch, Ph.D., former Assistant Director, Arms Control and Disarmament Agency
Brigadier General Thomas A. Kolditz, Ph.D., USA (Ret)
Master Chief Petty Officer Michael James Korman, USN (Ret)
Ambassador Philip S. Kosnett (Ret), former Acting Deputy Assistant Secretary of State
Ambassador Eleni Tsakopoulos Kounalakis (Fmr), Lieutenant Governor, State of California
William K. Krist, former Assistant US Trade Representative
Prem Kumar, former Senior Director, National Security Council
Major General Dennis John Laich, USA (Ret)
Anthony Lake, former National Security Advisor to the President
Brett B. Lambert, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense
Ambassador David Lambertson (Ret), former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State
Tom Lamont, former Assistant Secretary of the Army
Brigadier General George A. Landis, USA (Ret)
Rear Admiral William Lassek, M.D., USPHS (Ret), former Regional Health Administrator, HHS
Louis Lauter, former Acting Assistant Secretary of Defense
Jeff Le, former Deputy Cabinet Secretary, State of California
Vice Admiral Michael A. LeFever, USN (Ret), former Director of Strategic Operational Planning, National Counterterrorism Center
Major General Mike Lehnert, USMC (Ret)
Rear Admiral Richard Allen Lemen, Ph.D., USPHS (Ret)
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According to Fox News:

Nine high-ranking former national security and military officials who signed a letter Sunday endorsing Vice President Harris’ run for the Oval Office also signed a letter nearly four years ago dismissing Hunter Biden’s infamous laptop as Russian disinformation ahead of the 2020 election, Fox News Digital found.
A reminder of who those were:


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No because my point was just about having his own mind so you took this miles away from my destination of the point I was making.
No, the original point you made is that Trump is the only one who has an independent mind, which is where my flat earth example and expansion of it explaining how we tell if someone is independently minded comes in. You ignored all of that.
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Having fun with the robot/baiter? I think it would be more fun to go after flat earthers.
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So, when they ask you who is in the deep state; here is a subset of the suspect list:

So the deep state is anyone in or affiliated with government who supports Harris. Real meaningful.

According to Fox News:

Nine high-ranking former national security and military officials who signed a letter Sunday endorsing Vice President Harris’ run for the Oval Office also signed a letter nearly four years ago dismissing Hunter Biden’s infamous laptop as Russian disinformation ahead of the 2020 election, Fox News Digital found.
A reminder of who those were:

The right wing spin on this story never ceases to amuse me. What they expressed in that letter was common sense and perfectly legitimate given the context. This is such a nonsense issue.

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So the deep state is anyone in or affiliated with government who supports Harris.
Hey if you think the set of "warmongering liars breaking precedent by public endorsements" overlaps perfectly with "anyone in or affiliated with government who supports Harris" that's your call. It's not what I said.
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Classic DoubleR strawman.
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So the deep state is anyone in or affiliated with government who supports Harris.
Hey if you think the set of "warmongering liars breaking precedent by public endorsements" overlaps perfectly with "anyone in or affiliated with government who supports Harris" that's your call. It's not what I said.
You posted a purposefully and abusively long post to list everyone who signed a letter endorsing Harris all to make the point that these people are the deep state. That translates exactly to 'the deep state is anyone in or affiliated with government who supports Harris'.

And as far as "breaking precedent", have you not considered the guy they'll be voting against? It's the usual right wing BS of blaming the people reacting to unprecedented circumstances for being themselves unprecedented, an argument so ridiculous it can't be taken as anything other than gross disingenuousness.
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No, no, no. He has his own mind.

Just agree for once and leave it at that.
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I never disagreed with it. I don't think you understand what this conversation has been about.
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people reacting to unprecedented circumstances
correction: people creating unprecedented circumstances.
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Didn't Mall once post, I hate Taylor Swift?  Great minds think alike.
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An example of a left-triber who is not in the deep state.
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correction: people creating unprecedented circumstances.
Right, Trump is just such a normal guy.
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correction: people creating unprecedented circumstances.
Right, Trump is just such a normal guy.
Better than normal before opposing the deep state: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCFtiqzFCLg

"[he has] A will to risk to make things better" - Jessie Jackson

"He's a serious person, who is an effective builder" - Jessie Jackson

"He should run for president" - Oprah Winfrey