The Deep State

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What is it? Who is in it? Where is their secret mountain lair?

This topic is a place where I can collect examples which support the conclusion that there is a deep state. What is a deep state? Basically it's corruption, but when people think of corruption they think of a bunch of embezzlers out for themselves and not interacting with each other nor trying to strike back against those trying to expose them.

I am talking about an informal conspiracy to continue and expand mass theft and global domination of a power bloc (as run by these corrupt elites and which benefits them). This is associated in propaganda to a post-WW2 vision of the united states as the sole global superpower with a dark and menacing enemy in the form of Russia or China (whoever can be more easily painted as such at the time).

These people are not all cookie cutters of each other. Some are wrong. Some are evil. Some are evil and wrong.  Besides when you dig into it there isn't all that much of a difference between being wrong and being evil. A more telling difference is that some think they are sacrificing the truth for the greater good, and some know they don't give a shit about the 'commoners' because they're too stupid to be trusted with the truth anyway.

There are things that the deep state wants as a whole and any nation, group, or individual who threatens those things finds themselves on the losing end of a really inexplicable amount of "bad luck". Take Donald Trump or Julian Assange for example. After practically his whole life of purportedly committing crimes he finally faces justice only now. What a coincidence? Julian Assange, on the run from the 'rules based international order' (the deep state) for the grand and heinous crime of publishing secrets, an activity which at least in the US is protected by constitutional amendment.

Wherever he went to escape somehow criminal charges appeared. What a coincidence that someone who threatens the secrets of the deep state is a rampaging rapist in Sweden but never before and also lacking evidence. What did Trump apparently do? Well besides all the evil in the world? Rape too? Wow. Something about these people who stand in the way of the deep state. They're just so rapey.

This subject is one of those where the evidence is extremely volumous but very diffuse. It's easy for skeptics to poke fun at people because it's a very broadly defined phenomenon with a thousand different smoking guns, each of which could be attributed to something localized. It takes a constant long term exposure to integrate it all and see the larger pattern.

If I were to give a historical analogy it would be the colonization of the Americas by Europeans. Unlike many I don't believe there was ever once a direct conspiracy of any size or seriousness that planned for genocide. Much of what happened happened because the european way of life allowed for greater population density and corresponding resource utilization. The way europeans lived was generally safer and more comfortable. This erodes neighboring cultures which are inferior in these fields either by attracting 'converts' or winning a war started to maintain the low efficiency use of the land.

Yet there was another aspect too, the part that is analogous to the deep state. Somehow every treaty involving the demarcation of land 'evolved' to be a shell of itself. Sovereignty turned to becoming a corrupt creature of the BIA. Nations became reservations. Reservations shrunk.

One would need to search long and hard to find a treaty with a native political entity that was not broken by the US government. In each case there is an excuse, a pretext. "they broke it first, then we fought and renegotiated"

Yet it always seems to be the way right after a new wave of migration is approved. What a coincidence? Other than confession and intercepting communication the combination of coincidences until conspiracy is the least unlikely explanation are how conspiracies are found.

There never had to be a dark smokey room where they wrung their hands and planned to conquer the west and break all the treaties they made. All that was required was for a large class of people with power to know that there were others in power who had the same interests as they did. Single conspiracies aren't required when the plan is simple enough to be understood without them or when the plan can be communicated through smaller conspiracies. Like cells in a terrorist organization if the railroad tycoon and the army officer both want to kill a particular tribe of indians it can't be said that they were on a conspiracy with the BIA or the rest of the government in DC right?

Well when the government in DC doesn't stop them, interferes with those who try to stop them, and approves putting pressure to renegotiate to remove what's left of the tribe afterwards what does that prove?

It doesn't prove they planned it, but it does prove they wanted it. That was the deep state then. Now we have our own version. Human civilization will always have a deep state when the public will not tolerate the actions in the open. Much like the devil, the deep state is never more powerful then why people laugh at the idea of its existence.
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To start off the examples I have here a segment of a youtube where we see General Mark Milley apparently confess that Trump told him to use all necessary military forces to secure the capitol building on Jan 6.


We know now that Milley did not respect the chain of command and did not take this order seriously, we know he turned against Trump... or do we?

Given this and his other behavior it is simpler to say he was never for Trump. He was recommend by the deep state to Trump (who knew and knows nobody competent in the miltiary). Milley was always deep state and when it came to Jan 6 he may not have needed to be told what they wanted to see happen (although I wouldn't be surprised if he was actually told, perhaps by Pelosi whom he was conspiring with).
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Ah yes, the "Deep State" — that totally real shadow government pulling the strings from behind the curtain while we, the people, enjoy the sweet bliss of democracy working flawlessly. Because clearly, in a system where every voice is heard equally, all our basic needs like healthcare, housing, food prices, and education are fully addressed without any special interests interfering. If the Deep State were anything more than a convenient alt-right boogeyman for those upset with the way democracy actually functions, surely we'd have more important things to worry about—like furiously debunking false alt-right news about politicians openly catering to corporate donors. But nah, it's the "deep state" that's really behind everything, right? Only if you are an alt-right Putin/Trump lover! 
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Here in the U.K. I would refer to it as the establishment.

Those that sip whiskey from the comfort of their leather club chairs, whilst keeping an eye on the headless chickens in the House of Commons.

Devoted to the Crown and firmly in control of the Military, The Legal system and Westminster.

Off home to the stately pile at the weekends for a spot of shooting.

No Problem.
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Not this nonsense again. Getting excited before elections?

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Agreed.
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Trump is a loser.
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Worse.
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He will lose elections, you know.
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Trump is a loser.
And MAGA is made up of losers, and losers need someone to blame, the more mysterious and conspiratorial the better.

DEEP STATE!

You can't argue with that, so they aren't losers, they are victims, it's not their fault they are losers, it's the deep state's fault.


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He needs to lose more than an election.
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And MAGA is made up of losers
Thats true.

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Nothing like having your own mind.
President Trump probably the only one that has his own mind in office .

Who else went unconventional, with the proper label of fake news, border protection, decrease in taxes and increase in employment?
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Thank you mechanical being. The support of your troll amalgamation of reedit warms my soul.
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Nothing like having your own mind.
President Trump probably the only one that has his own mind in office .
Yes, except for he's out of his mind, and out of office.
Who else went unconventional, with the proper label of fake news, border protection, decrease in taxes and increase in employment?
Trump is one of only two presidents in history to have fewer people employed when he left office than when he took office, he achieved the highest unemployment level since the great depression in the thirties.

His tax cut resulted in Trump increasing the national debt more than any president in history, so the money he gave out, was taken from our children.




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The deep state is nothing more than vague and unfalsifiable bogeyman concocted by MAGA as another way to do what they always do; paint Trump as the victim. The truth is that Trump is a complete ignoramus who doesn't understand how anything works so his ideas and impulses are often dangerous, which in turn puts the people who actually know better in a tough position so they often fight back. To every other president this was a good thing, getting it right is what matters. But with Trump it's so about power and authority, so of course it's a conspiracy.
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Trump is the deep state.
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SW...Yes, except for he's out of his mind, and out of office.

A negative narcissistic black hole of false narrative ego.

Make America Dumb Again { MADA } are varying degrees of mini-black hopefuls.

Deep State:

1} so deep we dont see it,

2} wealthy of corp. greed i.e. always profit prior to concerns for humanities existence on Earth,

3} so deep those wealthy corp. do not see overall significance solar light that feeds Earths ecologically, biological sustenance as critical to humans survival,

4} war is historical  ergo future necessity for profits ---ex USA first taxation was civil war, atomic - hydrogen bombs, National Rifle Association, and all of these stem from personal, nation/state fear of survival---,

5} ? ? ?
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so deep those wealthy corp. do not see overall significance solar light that feeds Earths ecologically, biological sustenance as critical to humans survival,

The planet is too hot. Science says so.
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The planet is too hot. Science says so.
I believe in the science.
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Me too. I have 8 more days of being BK.
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No I'm serious. You should know I in particular am not 🚫 on here for fun and games. If you don't know me by now, you will never never never know me.
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Is President Trump ahead now in votes?
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Who else went unconventional, with the proper label of fake news, border protection, decrease in taxes and increase in employment?
Yes, and increased the National Debt 40 percent to make the rich richer.
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Everybody aware are responsible for their own debt.
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Nothing like having your own mind.
President Trump probably the only one that has his own mind in office .
Believing the earth is flat doesn't make you independent minded, it means you're disconnected from reality. If the majority of people believe something it's probably for good reason.

The mechanism for telling whether someone is thinking for themselves is to question them and see if they can explain why they believe what they do. Trump is incapable of that, which makes the long repeated observation so many Trump insiders have shared that he parrots the last thing he heard far more believable.
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Is President Trump ahead now in votes?
Nope, in votes he's getting his ass kicked by Kamala Harris.

But he is way ahead in Felonies, Impeachments, and Insurrections.  
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Trump is the deep state.
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Who else has been like President Trump as president in the White House?
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Even Ali looked like he was done for before he took out Foreman, so it's not over til it's over buddy.