2nd Amendment Working as Intended

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The purpose of the second amendment is so that the people are able to rise up against tyranny and put those wannabe tyrants in their place.

Trump is, according to the people (represented by two would-be assassins), a tyrant who must be kept at bay. Therefore the assassination attempts are constitutionally justified.

Second amendment advocates, it seems like a great day to be an American. Why are you not proud? 
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Why are you not proud? 
In one sentence: The assassins are wrong.


Also they're attacking someone with no military power.

This is a lot like the 'confusion' caused by the deep state defining a terrorists as "somebody who opposes us" (in practice). They call people who attack armed governments terrorists but people who attack innocent shopkeepers mostly peaceful protestors.

Also they're in essence agents of the state since every reason they have to consider Trump a potential tyrant were propaganda campaigns carried about by media which have been proven to present 'facts' given by federal agencies and to take direction on what narratives to publish from people tied to the "intelligence community".

Therefore it's more appropriate to view these assassinations as the government trying to kill a private citizen who has a chance of expressing the will of the people in contrast to their current tyranny.
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The right side talks of people rising against tyranny by using guns.

Are Trump assassination attempts an example of that?
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The second amendment is simply an old paper and ink addition, to an even older paper and ink manuscript.

Thing is, humanity, on the one hand knows more than back then, but still does just as much stupid stuff.


Clever stupid gene.
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 When looking at the number of gun related deaths in high-income countries and territories with populations of 10 million or more , the U.S. did come out on top.
  1. United States 4.12 per 100,000 population
  2. Chile 1.82
  3. Canada 0.5
  4. Portugal 0.4
  5. Italy 0.35
  6. Greece 0.35
  7. Belgium 0.34
  8. France 0.32
  9. Sweden 0.25
  10. Netherlands 0.23

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And yes, I now look like Charles Darwin.
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Intentional homicide rate (murder rate):

Chile * 6.744

and boy look at these "low income" areas:

Where are those migrants coming from?
Haiti *40.845
Mexico * 26.107
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You have to admit that Trump likes illegal immigrants that come here on fake Einstein visa's
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In one sentence: The assassins are wrong.
Says who? If the people don't consent to being governed they can take matters into their own hands. That's the idea right? Sounds to me like there's no such thing as being wrong.

Also they're attacking someone with no military power.
He's very close to having that power again. So is it only a problem now but ok in January?
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In one sentence: The assassins are wrong.
Says who?
Me, just now.


If the people don't consent to being governed they can take matters into their own hands. That's the idea right?
Yep


Sounds to me like there's no such thing as being wrong.
Think harder.


Also they're attacking someone with no military power.
He's very close to having that power again. So is it only a problem now but ok in January?
No, because killing him won't free anybody.

Killing people without a just cause and intent is still murder even if there are are causes and intents that would justify killing the same man. If I killed Hitler to stop the holocaust that is justified. If I kill Hitler because I think I could do a better job as fuhrer it's just murder.

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Says who? If the people don't consent to being governed they can take matters into their own hands.
Killing JFK wasn't because he was a "tyrant"...there's arguably more justification for killing Lincoln for tyranny than either JFK or Trump. And Lincoln's assassin is no hero to anyone.
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And Lincoln's assassin is no hero to anyone.
Well he was to some at the time, but that is besides the point.

The purpose of the 2nd amendment is to threaten rebellion which by itself changes the behavior of government and of course to make it plausible to overthrow the government if needed.

That in no way is an endorsement of any particular act of rebellion. It's the denial of the false presumption that governments have a right to exist no matter what.


Freedom of speech doesn't mean you are proud of holocaust deniers just because the right is being exercised by them. The right to rebel when justified does not mean it is always justified but it does mean that sometimes it is just as the right to free speech implies that sometimes there is something that needs to be heard even if others are willing to use violence to prevent it.
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The 2nd A isn't a tool for tyrants to eliminate their opponents. It's a tool to remove tyrants who attempt to assassinate their opponents.
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Trump is, according to the people (represented by two would-be assassins), a tyrant who must be kept at bay. Therefore the assassination attempts are constitutionally justified.
The 2nd amendment argument against tyrants is not about assassination attempts. It is about people being able to withstand tyrants coming to round then up. It's more for low level enforcers. 
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Because those 2A advocates also advocate for silly things such as a right to life, a right to freedom of association, and a right to freedom of speech.

The purpose of a 2A is not to assassinate politicians, but to be able to shoot back when the Democrats use the police to try things like quarantining Japanese Americans, or enslaving and selling people, for instance.
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Quarantining the Japanese never happened. They were removed from areas particularly important to national security and their plight had more to do with governors and local politicians than it did with FDR. I hat to defend FDR because he was evil, but the Japanese were not put in internment camps but provided free housing instead because governors and other local politicians refused to accommodate new citizens
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The internment camps for Japanese Americans during World War II varied in conditions, but many shared some common characteristics:
  1. Living Conditions: Most camps were located in remote areas and were hastily constructed. Families were housed in barracks made of wood with minimal insulation, often with little privacy. Walls did not extend to the ceiling, which meant sound carried easily between rooms.
  2. Amenities: Basic amenities were often lacking. There were communal bathrooms and showers, which compromised privacy. Many camps did have mess halls where food was served, but the quality and quantity varied.
  3. Health Care: Medical facilities were limited, and access to healthcare was often inadequate. Many internees faced challenges in receiving necessary medical attention.
  4. Employment: Internment camps sometimes offered work opportunities, but the jobs were typically low-paying and menial. Some internees participated in agricultural work, while others worked within the camp.
  5. Psychological Impact: The experience of internment had lasting psychological effects on many Japanese Americans, leading to feelings of shame, loss, and trauma.
  6. Community and Resilience: Despite the hardships, many internees created a sense of community, forming schools, sports teams, and cultural activities to maintain their identities and support each other.
Overall, the internment camps were far from adequate living situations, and the experience is remembered as a significant violation of civil rights in American history.

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Trump is, according to the people (represented by two would-be assassins), a tyrant who must be kept at bay.
Two lone gunmen are not “the people”. The people will go to vote this November, and their choice will become president. As long as Trump is working within the bounds of the system to get power, then nobody has the right to try and speak for all Americans with their one bullet.
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Two lone gunmen are not “the people”. The people will go to vote this November, and their choice will become president. As long as Trump is working within the bounds of the system to get power, then nobody has the right to try and speak for all Americans with their one bullet.
The point is, guns can be used in many ways, incorrect and correct ones. Majority doesnt want Trump. He lost popular vote twice.
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2nd A doesn't mean a Republic of states no longer exists just because failed people like Hillary don't like Republics. Feel free to arm your fellow low-t males and pink haired cat ladies if you think the Republic needs to be abolished.
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The internment camps were literally voluntary.  They could have bought property in the Midwest away from military bases or live in I aren't in LA
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Trump is, according to the people (represented by two would-be assassins), a tyrant who must be kept at bay.
Hard to be a tyrant when he's not even president right now. If anything, the assassins are afraid of him being elected by voters.
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Hitler won the elections in Germany, year 1933.

"The groundwork for the Nazi dictatorship was laid when the Reichstag was set on fire in February 1933. Asserting that the communists were behind the arson, Hitler convinced von Hindenburg to pass the Reichstag Fire Decree, which severely curtailed the liberties and rights of German citizens.

Using the decree, Hitler began eliminating his political opponents. Following its passage, Hitler began arguing for more drastic means to curtail political opposition and proposed the Enabling Act of 1933. Once enacted this law gave the German government the power to override individual rights prescribed by the constitution, and vested the Chancellor (Hitler) with emergency powers to pass and enforce laws without parliamentary oversight. The law came into force in March and by April, Hitler held de facto dictatorial powers and used them to order the construction of the first Nazi concentration camp at Dachau for communists and other political opponents.

Hitler's rise to power was completed in August 1934 when, following the death of President von Hindenburg, Hitler merged the chancellery with the presidency and became Führer, the sole leader of Germany."
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"The groundwork for the Nazi dictatorship was laid when the Reichstag was set on fire in February 1933.

It was actually long, long before then. The German govt failed the people much like the current government is failing.
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Is Hitler as bad as Trump?

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Trump killed more than 6 million cows for his steaks, so no.
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Using the decree, Hitler began eliminating his political opponents.
Via lawfare.


"morality trials"

These were started and stopped as the nazis tried to negotiate submission. "You were always a criminal, it just so happened that we decided to prosecute at this time it has nothing to do with your recent defiance" Sound like some recent history? It does to me.


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Hitler was in prison and sentenced for many crimes. Thats where he wrote his books which became popular.
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You misunderstand the philosophy of gun rights.

Simply put, if you cannot defend your rights (such as speech and property), you do not have them. Therefore, gun rights are as necessary as any other right. Otherwise, you are saying only the government can have guns, and are relying on the government alone to protect your rights. This is irrational given that governments are notorious for using their arms to violate their people’s rights.

Gun rights are the logical conclusion of the idea of self-defense. This means that for you to morally defend your rights, there must be an aggressor attempting to violate them. In other words, gun rights do not give you the right attempt an assassination; they give you the right to be armed and ready for when armed oppressors come after you and your rights.