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How can one be happy when they know that their loved ones are engulfed in burning agony in hell? If you were to be happy in heaven, you would have to not be you.

Christians like to say that the whole "burning in hell" stuff is all a metaphor, but if everything that gives Christians an issues is a metaphor, then that gives some credibility issues to everything else.
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How can one be happy when they know that their loved ones are engulfed in burning agony in hell? If you were to be happy in heaven, you would have to not be you.
First things first, it should be noted that God is the final authority on who goes where. 

I don’t know where either of my grandparents are, but I’m guessing they’re in Heaven, given that they both believed, as far as I could tell.

However, I do have a non-believing sister. I worry for her. I may be happy to know where I’m going, but I’m not happy about her faith situation. I don’t think any Christian would be happy to think about any passed relatives who didn’t walk with God. 

But again, there is solace when you know you are saved, and that you have the chance to help save others. All the more reason to spread the Word. All the more reason to be there for my sister.

As for happiness in general, it is defined by more than just one thought or aspect of one‘s life.
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First things first.

It should be noted, that the existence of a Middle Eastern magical creator bloke, cannot be verified.

Let alone magical fantasy lands called heaven and hell.


I'm guessing that my dead relatives have in the main been retuned to the Universe in particulate form, save for a few tougher components of the buried ones.


We will have to wait and see.

Or not, of course.
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All the more reason to spread the Word. 


By "spread the Word"  am I correct that you are referring to The Great Commission? Matthew 28:16-20
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How can one be happy when they know that their loved ones are engulfed in burning agony in hell? If you were to be happy in heaven, you would have to not be you. 

Christians like to say that the whole "burning in hell" stuff is all a metaphor, but if everything that gives Christians an issues is a metaphor, then that gives some credibility issues to everything else.
I suppose the question is one of truth or not.  Christians may or may not be happy about the final resting place of their loved ones. But truth is truth. Non-christians may not believe such a situation, but it won't change the truth. They would prefer to think - "gee how do I feel about such a thing" as though one's feelings have anything to do with the truth. 

For me the entire point of this universe is to be in a right relationship with the one who created it. If my beloved ones believe the purpose is to live for themselves and to do whatever they want despite the consequences, should I be happy that they end up where they desire or should I be sad that they were wrong in the first place? 

Think about Best Korea - on this forum page. he's written numerous posts about how he wants to end up in Hell and how he rejects the God of the Bible. Should I be upset that he gets what he wants or should I be upset that he's wrong?   

The truth is the truth. I can't change the truth. I might well be wrong. And I will have to live with that. Do I want everyone else to be sad about that? No. Everyone's tried to change my mind, but at the end of the day, I have made up my mind. And I will end up where I will. 

I don't know what heaven is going to be like ABSOLUTELy. But I am not going to use a silly argument about wondering whether I am happy or not, about people who end up in a place - that they could have found out more about but chose not too because they were too arrogant or full of pride to really consider - the implications of their situation and choice - to make me not believe in heaven. 

Truth is truth. I'd prefer people to make sensible decisions. But it is still their decision to make. And at the end of the day, what I feel or what I want them to make - is not going to change the truth. 
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Think about Best Korea - on this forum page. he's written numerous posts about how he wants to end up in Hell and how he rejects the God of the Bible. Should I be upset that he gets what he wants or should I be upset that he's wrong?
Usually, when people see their loved ones burning, they get upset. Maybe you dont have those human feelings.

Anyway, I reject God because Lucifer has already told me that God of the Bible is weak and defeated. Compare him to our mighty primordial God Leviathan, our mighty primordial Dragon who swallows the Sun and shakes the Universe.

They are called primordial Gods because they existed at the beginning, in the primordial void. And were first being worshipped. It is true that Christians have for 2000 years hunted and killed those who worshipped actual primordial Gods.

But just like the cycles, creation and destruction, witches were destroyed only to be born again even more powerful.

And now we see Christianity sinking everywhere while Religion of the Dragon rises after 2000 years to claim victory. Lucifer gave people knowledge because knowledge destroys Christianity and other fake religions. Knowledge is a great gift of Lucifer.
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Isnt it amazing how Tradesecret would not be upset at all if her loved ones burned in hell?
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Especially those ones who are pretty sure they are going to heaven to sit next to God's throne.

These Christians don’t give a fuck about their relatives so instead of questioning such a ridiculous belief and defend their loved ones against such a terrible fate they prefer, in an act of pure selfishness, to threaten them with an eternal horrible punishment in hell. That is vomitive, cruel, sick. In all honesty, fuck these people. 
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Think about Best Korea - on this forum page. he's written numerous posts about how he wants to end up in Hell and how he rejects the God of the Bible. Should I be upset that he gets what he wants or should I be upset that he's wrong?
Usually, when people see their loved ones burning, they get upset. Maybe you don't have those human feelings. 

Anyway, I reject God because Lucifer has already told me that the God of the Bible is weak and defeated. Compare him to our mighty primordial God Leviathan, our mighty primordial Dragon who swallows the Sun and shakes the Universe.

They are called primordial Gods because they existed at the beginning, in the primordial void. And were first being worshipped. It is true that Christians have for 2000 years hunted and killed those who worshipped actual primordial Gods.

But just like the cycles, creation and destruction, witches were destroyed only to be born again even more powerful.

And now we see Christianity sinking everywhere while Religion of the Dragon rises after 2000 years to claim victory. Lucifer gave people knowledge because knowledge destroys Christianity and other fake religions. Knowledge is a great gift of Lucifer.
Firstly, I never said I wouldn't be upset. I asked a question about what is the appropriate response. I'd appreciate it if you could try to understand what I am saying before jumping in and making conclusions.  After all, would you want me to be upset over a choice you made freely and desired to make? 


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Isnt it amazing how Tradesecret would not be upset at all if her loved ones burned in hell?

It is odd but not when you consider s/he believes that anyone in hell deserves to be there. Especially atheist that he regards as mostly being "drug addled kiddie fiddler". 
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After all, would you want me to be upset over a choice you made freely and desired to make? 
I choose freedom and knowledge. Those who choose slavery and ignorance are not any kind of holy people. They are not even people. They are worthless brainless sheep. I am on the path of Godhood, a better path.
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After all, would you want me to be upset over a choice you made freely and desired to make? 
I choose freedom and knowledge. Those who choose slavery and ignorance are not any kind of holy people. They are not even people. They are worthless brainless sheep. I am on the path of Godhood, a better path.
Yes, you choose your own way.  And you think that is the right way and full of freedom and knowledge. That's a matter for you. 

I too choose freedom and knowledge. And I think that ignorance is foolish.  The slavery in our world today is abominable. 

Holiness is something which the LORD commands us to be.  I reject the idea that any human is less human than another. There are many sheep in the world today. 

What makes you think you are on the path to Godhood? 
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What makes you think you are on the path to Godhood?
I made it my goal to become God of this world, and the magic I do has already achieved more effects that I thought it would when I started practicing it.

I may be wrong. I may never achieve my goals. Still, I place my trust in the wisdom of Dark Gods who promised me power and knowledge, and my knowledge has increased greatly since I started calling Dark Primordial Gods.
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Give me 1 more hour, 

Im yet to rattle off three quick .
Questions for christians.
Questions for christians. 
Questions for christians.

I keep saying qhistians.

Oh I'll crack it.  
Ok wish me luck. 

Andddddd go. 
Questions for christians. 
Questions for christians. 
Fuckkkkkkkk
I said Tristians. 

One hour. 
 


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How can one be happy when they know that their loved ones are engulfed in burning agony in hell? If you were to be happy in heaven, you would have to not be you.

Christians like to say that the whole "burning in hell" stuff is all a metaphor, but if everything that gives Christians an issues is a metaphor, then that gives some credibility issues to everything else.

Jesus stood in a very long line of serious thinkers who have refused to believe that a good God would torture his creatures for eternity. The idea of eternal hell was very much a late comer on the Christian scene, developed decades after Jesus’ death and honed to a fine pitch in the preaching of fire and brimstone that later followers sometimes attributed to Jesus himself. But the torments of hell were not preached by either Jesus or his original Jewish followers; they emerged among later gentile converts who did not hold to the Jewish notion of a future resurrection of the dead. These later Christians came out of Greek culture and its belief that souls were immortal and would survive death.