The Mass Psychology of Trumpism

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Interesting video. Although much of it is the standard stuff we've heard before, the one part I found a illuminating is where he talks about the fact that Trump is, neither in his mind nor in the minds of his supporters... A person. Despite many attempts by biographers and interviewers, he's never shared a enlightening story explaining how he came to be the person he is today. There's just nothing there. He's like a TV character who's past was never written or delved into, all that matters is what twists his presence will bring to the story.

I thought this did a lot to explain why Trump supporters grade him on the insane curve they do and why they hold him accountable for nothing. He's not a person to them, he's a caricature that provides for them a conduit for everything they hate about the world and a safe space for everything they hate about themselves.

I added in that last part but you get the point. What do you think, does this help explain the insane phenomenon we've witnessed for the past decade now? If not, what alternative views can you offer?

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Its usually not good to talk about your past. It is better to talk about your opponent's past.

In politics just like in debating, reframing is what makes people believe what you say. Like painting a picture.

If opponent says his action caused good for people, you say why his action caused bad to people.

Its not an honest debating strategy seeking truth, but it captures people's minds when combined with Trump's Gish Gallop.
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Donald Trump's mental capabilities appear to be "faltering in a very dangerous way," a leading psychologist said.
Speaking on the David Pakman Show in April, Harry Segal, a senior lecturer in psychology at Cornell University who has been critical of the former president's mental health since he was first elected, said Trump was showing signs of onset dementia.


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I added in that last part but you get the point. What do you think, does this help explain the insane phenomenon we've witnessed for the past decade now? If not, what alternative views can you offer?

Cool, now do RFK for getting a standing ovation after his speech about how DC has ruined the American Dream.

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I watched your video, and it did a terrible job at steelmanning the argument and a great job at confirming your bias.

If you were looking for enlightenment, that video wasn't it.
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Trump was showing signs of onset dementia
He is 80, overweight, lives unhealthy life. On the other hand, he cant be a bigger liar, even with dementia.
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Does anyone else think Gp has really small hands?
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Fortunately all religious people that vote for Trump will receive eternal damnation.
Jude 1:7  Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.
You can see more nude pictures of Melania on celebmasta.com
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As a Trump supporter, I can give you an honest answer to this question.

In 2016, during the Republican primaries, my family for the most part wasn't crazy about Trump. Neither was I, which was why I made a spur of the moment choice to vote for Hillary, as Trump did have some off-putting isolationist talk that, without the benefit of hindsight (a full presidential term where he kept the foreign policy status quo intact), seemed scary, and back in 2016 I was veritably obsessed with topics like WW3 (see WW2, which the West would've lost if not for the United States getting involved, and said dependency has arguably grown since then). But I found myself weirdly elated on election night when it was announced that he won.

Three things happened: first, he became the GOP nominee, so a lot of people reluctantly voted for him. Second, he became a Republican president in a position to do Republican things (or at least keep the executive from skewing left), vindicating people's choice to vote for Trump. He was, up until late 2020, a "winning candidate", worth putting up with whatever gaffes or inflammatory comments he happened to make.

Third, he became not only the practical standard bearer but also the embodied symbol of the Republican Party. If attacks on that symbol were allowed to ultimately prevail, then it would do a massive blow to the party's reputation. But if attacks on that symbol ultimately didn't prevail, then the party would actually gain.

I'll explain what I mean by gain. Pre-Trump, the right was making no concerted effort to push the Overton Window.  Maybe somewhat back in the '80s and '90s, but such efforts had since stalled. The left was, however, trying to make the politics of normie Republican guys seem unthinkable to the average person. They had the news media on their side, save of course for Fox, and were working overtime to realize this objective. But then Trump pushed back.
The mere fact that somebody like Trump was elected, "got away" with holding the positions and saying the things that he did, and had a term in office that nobody was able to stop him from living out would basically kill efforts to render anathema in the popular imagination or at the ballot box the regular conservative wing of the Republican Party. The farther Trump pushed, the more assured this outcome would be. And so, to this day, I still support Trump and will see this through to the end.

Admittedly, there was one thing we overlooked or didn't give enough consideration to: that the act of supporting Trump changed the party itself. Edgelords and firebrands serve a purpose, but people with functioning brains mustn't unironically buy into everything they say. It seems too many of us have since drunk the Kool-Aid, and this knot could prove a challenge to untangle going forward.
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I watched your video, and it did a terrible job at steelmanning the argument and a great job at confirming your bias.

If you were looking for enlightenment, that video wasn't it.
Thanks for watching it for me and providing your unsurprising analysis. 
Now I know as I already knew, it would be a waste of time to watch it.
Clearly just another source among many oozing Trump Derangement Syndrome. 
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Tulsi Gabbard, who famously debated Kamala right before Kamala dropped out, has now officially endorsed Trump. I seriously doubt anyone here can explain the "psychosis" of disagreeing with Kamala Harris; as the "normal" mental state is to never oppose Kamala in their minds.
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Remember that people who endorse Trump know that he is a lot smarter than they are.
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Remember that people who endorse Kamala know that she is a lot smarter than  they are.
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Remember that Kamala's professor didn't say she was the stupidest student he ever had.
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Remember that people who endorse Kamala know that she is a lot smarter than  they are. Even professors.
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Fortunately all religious people that vote for Trump will receive eternal damnation.
Jude 1:7  Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.
You can see more nude pictures of Melania on celebmasta.com
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I think that a smart person can do four things: (1) see useful information that other people can’t see or don’t notice; (2) draw accurate, useful conclusions from that information; (3) design a useful goal that takes advantage of that information and (4) create an efficient and effective plan of action to attain that goal.
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So you are saying Melania posed for porn?
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C'mon Snitches, what do you think?
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Omg Gp is offended by nude photos of Melania. It doesnt actually break the rules since Melania is the topic.
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Yes, the First Lady of the USA can do porn but DA members can not look at it? Isn't that unconstitutional?
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Plus, how are we supposed to prove in debate that Melania made porn without posting sources to it?
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Well stated!
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C'mon Snitches!
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Pre-Trump, the right was making no concerted effort to push the Overton Window.  Maybe somewhat back in the '80s and '90s, but such efforts had since stalled. The left was, however, trying to make the politics of normie Republican guys seem unthinkable to the average person. They had the news media on their side, save of course for Fox, and were working overtime to realize this objective. But then Trump pushed back.
The mere fact that somebody like Trump was elected, "got away" with holding the positions and saying the things that he did, and had a term in office that nobody was able to stop him from living out would basically kill efforts to render anathema in the popular imagination or at the ballot box the regular conservative wing of the Republican Party. The farther Trump pushed, the more assured this outcome would be. And so, to this day, I still support Trump and will see this through to the end.
You never explained what Trump pushed back on that made you loyal to him. You say he pushed the Overton window. I agree. Since Trump came along we no longer expect our politicians to be:
  • Civil
  • Mature
  • Intelligent
  • Truthful
  • Respectful of democracy
  • An example to the world
  • To stand up for our allies
  • To stand up against dictators
  • To respect US institutions
Etc. I'm curious what he did in your eyes to offset all of that .

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So you are saying Melania posed for porn?
Remember when the Republicans were outraged that Michelle Obama wore a dress that showed her arms.

Such hypocrites
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You never explained what Trump pushed back on that made you loyal to him.
Everything that the Left has become. Their wanton hatred for various demographics to which I belong, and which escalated dramatically once Trump announced his candidacy back in 2015. Their ongoing campaign to overthrow our longstanding Republic and its constitutional order in a de facto slow coup by illegally importing future voters (either the migrants themselves or their children) who will vote for one party, and by creating an ideological monoculture from all traditional voices of authority that Americans look up to, so that everyone is convinced into thinking the party can do no wrong and its enemies can do no right.

Their support for efforts in Europe and elsewhere to make free speech non-existent, such as France throwing the founder of Telegram in jail and a willingness to do the same to Elon Musk if only he were to visit the UK, reports that the UK is about to throw J.K. Rowling in jail for comments she made about an Algerian Olympic gymnast, Brazil's attempts to shut down Twitter in the country because there's nothing more dangerous to "democracy" than platforms where people are allowed to speak freely without censorship, etc. Brazen comments by Tim Walz, soon to be Vice-President of the United States, that whatever the party dubs "hate speech" or "misinformation" is not constitutionally protected by the First Amendment.

The party which you support is pure unadulterated evil, and even if every single dubious claim the left has made about Trump over the last 9 years were all true, I'd still have reason to vote for him.

Since Trump came along we no longer expect our politicians to be:
  • Civil
The civility you espouse is of no real substance. Biden and Harris are backed by a limitlessly cruel and sociopathic propaganda apparatus that, on a given Tuesday, matches or even exceeds the nastiness of Trump. Trump, in contrast, is his own sole advocate. Yeah there's Fox, but at this point everyone knows they're partisan hacks. WashPo, The Guardian, CNN, etc. are no less so but there's a systematic effort to gaslight us into thinking that they're somehow impartial.

If Biden wanted to "take the high road" in any way that mattered, he would've gotten together with the party bosses 4-5 years ago and convinced them to let up on the omnidirectional partisan attacks on Trump. Said attacks would've then ceased. Since this didn't happen, it's laughable to speak of a meaningful distinction in tone between Trump and Biden. Perhaps there technically is one, but why should anyone care?

Also, this weird cult of personality around the President of the United States which has sprung up since WW2 ought to end. He's not some benevolent, all-wise father of the nation. He's a mortal man who heads one branch of the federal government, which originally wasn't intended to be that much more powerful than a given state government. The White House is physically smaller than the Capitol building for both practical and symbolic reasons.

  • Mature
I'll give you this one. Still better than senile, but just barely.

  • Intelligent

You're talking about the guy who, without a day of political experience in his life, waltzed onto the scene and wrested control of the GOP nomination from the son and brother of two former Presidents (Jeb Bush) and two popular and fairly well known Senators from Texas and Florida respectively, and then strategically targeted the states few people assumed a Republican would win to carve out a victory over Hillary Clinton. Then he was sworn in as President of the United States.

Since you're accusing him of being an authoritarian dictator-wannabe anyway, I might as well compare his career to that of Alcibiades, of whom it was once said: "You should not rear a lion cub in the city, but if one is brought up, accommodate its ways."

  • Truthful

Much of what the media calls "Trump lies" is Trump hyperbole. Some of what he says is indeed a lie, but again, he's his own sole advocate. Biden has (or rather, had) the luxury of shutting up and letting the media lie for him, like when they continually dismissed concerns about his age as far-right misinformation, up until the point where they could no longer hide that he really does have a problem.

  • Respectful of democracy

And Dems are not respectful of our Republic. What's your point?

  • An example to the world

The President of the United States is elected to serve the American people, not foreign peoples. Foreign heads of state are elected to do the same, and indeed most aren't nearly as tolerant of illegal immigration on their own soil as America is on its. Trump believed that his approach best accomplished this.

  • To stand up for our allies

And in practice, Trump has done nothing to prove that he wouldn't.


  • To stand up against dictators

Trump took a harder line against the dictators of China, Iran, Venezuela, and Syria than any Democrat has.

I'm curious what he did in your eyes to offset all of that .
I wanted him to serve two terms, and to keep Republican politics within the mainstream going forward since constant presence breeds a sense of normalcy. I wanted the mere fact of him serving to disprove doomsday predictions floated by the left, and for everyone to remember the wolf-crying with Trump the next time they weaponized this same rhetoric against another, preferably moderate Republican.

Sadly, he only got one term, which is why we're rehashing this election again in 2024.
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Biden has (or rather, had) the luxury of shutting up and letting the media lie for him, like when they continually dismissed concerns about his age as far-right misinformation, up until the point where they could no longer hide that he really does have a problem.
On that note, I myself bought into this. I didn't like Biden but I personally thought the talk about his cognitive decline was way overblown. The whole establishment was acting as though all was quiet on the Western front (or so to speak), and despite how I often talk about the media here there was definitely a part of me which couldn't believe they'd blatantly lie about something so huge as that.

I have no love for the media. I do not take the excrement that spews from the mouth of Keith Olbermann as gospel truth. But I believed them. Now imagine if you weren't already a Republican like me. Of course you would, right? The average person just assumes that whatever they say has to be correct, and in my opinion it's impossible to hold a fair election under these conditions when they're all stumping for one party against the other. The best remedy is to elect somebody whose career would ultimately discredit them.
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The party which you support is pure unadulterated evil
For all of my ire with Trump and MAGA specifically and the republican party broadly, it takes a palpable level of brainwashing to believe it's all about being evil. My take continues to be that MAGA is deeply wrongheaded. Even I wouldn't stoop down to the level of labeling it evil, that's just intellectual laziness.

The civility you espouse is of no real substance. Biden and Harris are backed by a limitlessly cruel and sociopathic propaganda apparatus that, on a given Tuesday, matches or even exceeds the nastiness of Trump.
There are always going to be people out there saying nasty things. When I talk about civility in politics I'm not talking about people on Twitter, I'm talking about prominent figures within the political left. When it comes to that, there is no comparison between the left's attacks on Trump and his on them. The left attacks Trump for things he actually does and makes the argument as to why his words and actions should be interpreted that way. Trump just calls them stupid. That's not the same. At all.

If Biden wanted to "take the high road" in any way that mattered, he would've gotten together with the party bosses 4-5 years ago and convinced them to let up on the omnidirectional partisan attacks on Trump. Said attacks would've then ceased.
Taking the high road doesn't mean pretending that your political opponent isn't the threat that he is. If he lies the left will point out the fact that he's a liar. If he uses Hitler's language and tactics to manipulate his base the left will point out the remarkable parallels. That's how it works. There is nothing about that which conflicts with "taking the high road".

You're talking about the guy who, without a day of political experience in his life, waltzed onto the scene and wrested control of the GOP nomination from the son and brother of two former Presidents (Jeb Bush) and...
I'm talking about the guy who suggested we drop a nuclear bomb in a hurricane, thought the solution to California wild fires is a rake, and thought clean coal is when you take it and scrub it with a brush. The fact that an ignoramus was able to appeal to ignorant people is not a sign of intelligence.

Since you're accusing him of being an authoritarian dictator-wannabe anyway
I accuse him of that because he is, as evidenced by the fact that he constantly fawns over dictators because of how tough and in control they are of their countries, his constant need for adulation, his irritation and blatant contempt for every institution that holds him accountable for anything, and oh yeah... that time he tried to end American democracy.

Much of what the media calls "Trump lies" is Trump hyperbole.
Calling a lie hyperbole doesn't mean it's no longer a lie.

And in practice, Trump has done nothing to prove that he wouldn't.
You mean like loudly declaring that if a NATO ally doesn't "pay up" he would tell Russia to "do whatever the hell they want"?

Trump took a harder line against the dictators of China, Iran, Venezuela, and Syria than any Democrat has.
Harder line? What does that even mean?

You left the dictators of Russia and North Korea off that lost. I wonder why.
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I am pretty much a pale conservative. Please explain how I was psychologically tricked to support Trump and Kamala Harris will implement more policies I like. 

Better yet, I am very anti establishment. Please explain how kamala will fuck over media and government institutions, better than Trump?