How does he do it?

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But of we want to talk about the tweets themselves, I'll turn it over to factcheck.org:
Literally wtf....if you need a 3rd media party to read a tweet for you, you have no business voting.
Oh, my mistake. Too many words for you to process apparently.

1. He was the president. He could and should have done way more than tweet. He didn't. That in an of itself is pathetic.

2. His tweets were terribly insufficient. Everyone knew this at the time, including his own aides. Only Trumpers years out think these tweets exonerate him.

3. He didn't even want to send them. It took all of his people pleading with him to get him to say ok and he didn't even write them.

That clearer?

So Kamala wisely didn't take a "victory lap" on defeating inflation.
Because inflation is a complex topic and people don't have the attention span needed to understand it. That's why they go "dUh inflation is high and Biden president so Biden bad". Politics 101; you have to learn how to appeal to the stupid people.

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Everyone knew this at the time, including his own aides. Only Trumpers years out think these tweets exonerate him.

3. He didn't even want to send them. It took all of his people pleading with him to get him to say ok and he didn't even write them.

That clearer?

Let's count the superlative hyperboles here...shall we?

1. EVERYONE
2. ONLY
3. ALL

This seems to be the antithesis of a "nuanced take" and on the verge of partisan misinformation.


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 Politics 101; you have to learn how to appeal to the stupid people.
So what's wrong with "Duh, we beat inflation?"

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Note Grey parrot's lack of an actual rebuttal
Wrong. You claimed there was no "call for peace" until 3 hours. I gave you an objective timeline to enlighten you. If you meant subjectively it didn't meet your high standards, then there is no way (as Sadolite said) to rebutt the subjective Orangeman bad argument. You will win that every time.
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Trump tweeted that Pence “didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done,” prompting rioters to chant “hang Mike Pence” and erect mock gallows.
Isn't this proof that Trump tried to overthrow an election?
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"prompting rioters to chant “hang Mike Pence” and erect mock gallows." So if I read English correctly you are saying Trump told people to riot, chant hang Mike Pence and erect mock gallows?
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Well, Trump directs protesters to march to the U.S. Capitol ahead of count of Electoral College votes. Why do you think he did that?
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Let's count the superlative hyperboles here...shall we?
No, we shall not.

Wake me up when you have an actual, substantive response.
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So what's wrong with "Duh, we beat inflation?"
The fact that people are too stupid to recognize that beating inflation doesn't mean sending the economy into a deflationary spiral.
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So they are too stupid to realize Kamala made the best policy choices regarding inflation. It's gonna be real hard for Kamala to claim victory laps when she can't convince a crowd of mostly paid actors and convinced volunteers that she is a winner regarding inflation. Even harder for the swingstate voter. Saying nearly nothing about inflation (again it was mentioned only 3 times over all the DNC speakers) is far, far worse and less effective than the bare minimum of at the VERY LEAST.... blaming Trump for inflation. In most swing sates, it is the top voting issue. Not a good first impression.
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Although Donald Trump vows to bring U.S. prices down "very quickly," some economists say his policies could rekindle inflation.
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So they are too stupid to realize Kamala made the best policy choices regarding inflation. It's gonna be real hard for Kamala to claim victory laps when she can't convince a crowd of mostly paid actors and convinced volunteers that she is a winner regarding inflation. Even harder for the swingstate voter. Saying nearly nothing about inflation (again it was mentioned only 3 times over all the DNC speakers) is far, far worse and less effective than the bare minimum of at the VERY LEAST.... blaming Trump for inflation. In most swing sates, it is the top voting issue. Not a good first impression.
So yet again, when you have no substantive response to offer you divert back to "oh yeah well people agree with me".

Second... Paid actors? WTF? Are you forgetting which of the two candidates actually paid people to pretend to support him so he could brag about the size of his crowd?

Also... You love to pretend Kamala Haris as the VP is responsible for everything that Joe Biden did meanwhile pretending that JD Vance is irrelevant.  You guys really need to pick one, but of course you won't.
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Kamala Haris as the VP is responsible for everything
She literally cast the deciding vote on the inflation augmentation act. J.D. voted nay.

Saying nearly nothing about inflation (again it was mentioned only 3 times over all the DNC speakers) is far, far worse and less effective than the bare minimum of at the VERY LEAST.... blaming Trump for inflation. 
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She literally cast the deciding vote on the inflation augmentation act. J.D. voted nay.
The bill was passed in August 2022, inflation plummeted after that. So what's your point?

Saying nearly nothing about inflation (again it was mentioned only 3 times over all the DNC speakers) is far, far worse and less effective than the bare minimum of at the VERY LEAST.... blaming Trump for inflation. 
Again, inflation was caused by the aftermath of COVID, and it's over now. That's a fact. So to the extent you are arguing anything meaningful, it's that people are too stupid to understand how it works.
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Again, inflation was caused by the aftermath of COVID, and it's over now. That's a fact. So to the extent you are arguing anything meaningful, it's that people are too stupid to understand how it works.
MAGA people dont understand economy. They think Trump's money printing, job losses and increased deaths dont affect inflation.
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So why not blame Trump for inflation at the DNC? Seems like you guys are way smarter than Kamala here.
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The bill was passed in August 2022, inflation plummeted after that. So what's your point?
Both bills Kamala was responsible for were not what the economy needed.

The American Rescue Plan Act of 2021 was signed into law by President Joe Biden on March 11, 2021. This followed the Senate's passage of the bill, which included the tie-breaking vote cast by Vice President Kamala Harris.

The U.S. experienced a 9% inflation rate in June 2022. Specifically, the Consumer Price Index (CPI) rose by 9.1% year-over-year in June 2022, marking the highest inflation rate in over 40 years.

After the Inflation Reduction Act was signed into law in August 2022 which Kamala also cast the tying vote, inflation in the U.S. gradually began to decline, but this change was influenced by a variety of factors beyond the law itself. The Consumer Price Index (CPI), which measures inflation, had peaked at 9.1% in June 2022. Following the passage of the Inflation Reduction Act and other economic measures, inflation started to decrease, with the CPI falling to 8.3% by August 2022 and continuing to decline into 2023.

The 2021 American Rescue Plan Act injected a lot of money into the economy to help people and businesses during the pandemic. This extra money increased the amount of money circulating in the economy (money supply), which led to more people spending and buying things. When everyone has more money to spend, demand for goods and services goes up. But if the supply of those goods and services can't keep up with the increased demand, prices start to rise, which leads to inflation.

The 2022 Inflation Reduction Act indeed focused on long-term investments in sectors like clean energy and healthcare, which meant that it directed funds toward specific producers rather than broadly increasing consumer spending. By stimulating supply in targeted areas rather than boosting overall consumer demand, the Act avoided exacerbating inflation. However, since it didn't significantly reduce the money supply or address widespread demand, its immediate impact on inflation was limited. The Act's effects on inflation were more about long-term structural changes rather than quick fixes.

Yeah, I agree with you, the average swing state voter won't come close to understanding all that. They just know the prices are too damn high, and someone needs to take the blame.

When Kamala's handlers made the decision to not spend a good bit of time at the DNC blaming Trump specifically for inflation, they are letting the swing state voters decide on their own who to blame...that is NOT how to do election propaganda and win. 
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The AI is way off base on this one (no surprise). This is one of those issues which they confuse on purpose. The inflation rate has stabilized because the fed "raised the interest rate" which is their lie-speak for deleting dollars.

It's still inflating, but not as fast; because they are still printing money, just not as fast. It will ALWAYS be proportional to the printing money because that is what it is defined as being. A reminder: The fed can print money and "loan" it to the government or it can print money and "loan" it to the private sector. BOTH cause inflation.

Deficit spending necessarily causes inflation because the government necessarily prints monopoly money as "debt". (ok it's also possible that other nations and private investors buy bonds but let's be realistic here)

The difference between a private bank "borrowing" from the fed and the government "borrowing" is that nobody ever tells the government "you can't just keep taking out more debt to pay the interest on the debt you hold, that's a pyramid scheme".
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The AI is way off base on this one (no surprise). This is one of those issues which they confuse on purpose. The inflation rate has stabilized because the fed "raised the interest rate" which is their lie-speak for deleting dollars.
Well, AI did say this: "However, since it didn't significantly reduce the money supply or address widespread demand, its immediate impact on inflation was limited. "

True, it did leave out the true mechanism for deleting dollars, but I had specifically asked about the 2022 legislation as policy to "reduce inflation."
So yes, AI admitted it lowered prices in the niche market of green energy, but that did little to nothing to address, say, food prices. I suppose an honest AI would put that in for context.
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Why do poor people worry so much about inflation?
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I really love it when a left triber starts with the class snobbery. That's the smell of victory.
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So you think 70 percent of the people in the USA are poor like Trump said?
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Fox News anchors found themselves in a bind trying to moderate a fulminating Trump. Viewers commented he was 'yelling and incoherent even catching the sound of him angrily pressing his phone keys.
"People can't go to the American dream and buy a house," he absurdly claimed before lambasting Harris for omitting any mention of "70 percent of our people living in poverty," 


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The 2021 American Rescue Plan Act injected a lot of money into the economy to help people and businesses during the pandemic. This extra money increased the amount of money circulating in the economy (money supply), which led to more people spending and buying things. When everyone has more money to spend, demand for goods and services goes up. But if the supply of those goods and services can't keep up with the increased demand, prices start to rise, which leads to inflation.
Even though you probably didn't write any of this...

If you are going to argue that injecting money into the economy is the reason for inflation, then you would also have to acknowledge that Trump did the exact same thing twice in the months prior to the passage of the ARP. Funny how all of Trump's bills get a pass.

What is especially noteworthy about this argument is how divorced it is from the actual reality at that time. Stores were not raising their prices because consumers were buying up their products so fast they couldn't keep up. They were rising their prices because of the increased costs of goods due to a major shortage of supplies following the aftermath of COVID.

Gas is a perfect example. After people stopped traveling gas prices plummeted due to oil distributors having literally more product on their hands than they knew what to do with it. In some cases they were paying people to take it off their hands. As a result many refineries closed down, so once demand returned to normal levels the remaining producers couldn't keep up so prices rose.

This was happening all across our industries. Meat plants around the country had to close due to dangerous working conditions, leading to shortages, leading to price increases. It wasn't because restaurants were full of diners blowing stimulus money, it was because there was little product to go around.

After the Inflation Reduction Act was signed into law in August 2022 which Kamala also cast the tying vote, inflation in the U.S. gradually began to decline, but this change was influenced by a variety of factors beyond the law itself.
Funny how when good things happen after the law is passed, suddenly other factors "beyond the law itself" become relevant.

Yeah, I agree with you, the average swing state voter won't come close to understanding all that. They just know the prices are too damn high, and someone needs to take the blame.
Great. So why do you pretend as if democrats not talking about inflation is indicative of anything meaningful beyond how poorly educated the average voter is?
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I really love it when a left triber starts with the class snobbery. That's the smell of victory.

How to lose the swing state votes 101.
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Great. So why do you pretend as if democrats not talking about inflation is indicative of anything meaningful beyond how poorly educated the average voter is?
When Kamala's handlers made the decision to not spend a good bit of time at the DNC blaming Trump specifically for inflation, they are letting the swing state voters decide on their own who to blame...that is NOT how to do election propaganda and win. 
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When Harris entered the race, more Americans saw her unfavorably (51%) than favorably (40%). Now those numbers are level at 47% — a net positive shift of 11 points for the vice president. In contrast, 55% of Americans have an unfavorable opinion of Trump; just 42% view him favorably. Biden’s numbers are similar.
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When Kamala's handlers made the decision to not spend a good bit of time at the DNC blaming Trump specifically for inflation, they are letting the swing state voters decide on their own who to blame...that is NOT how to do election propaganda and win. 
No, it's not. That's what the RNC was for.
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The USA is the only country in the World to have an electoral vote system. This is something out of the 1800's.
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The USA is the only country in the World to have an electoral vote system. This is something out of the 1800's.

Go to 18:00 or 19:00 for the rated voting system to save democratic voting.

Or the MA-DumbAgain crowd can stick with Trumpet and trust in jesus and their evangelical nutters to win the votes and the true and purest democracy. 

..." Former President Trump suggested during an interview with television psychologist “Dr. Phil” McGraw that he would win California if Jesus Christ was the one counting ballots. "..

A vote for Trumpet is a vote for jesus.  OM-God!  USA! USA! Lock Jesus and Trumpet in the same cell before these bible thumping nutters can do any more damage to humanity.

The nutter Issac Newton ---based on his interpretations of Bible--- predicted a  new beginning in 2060.

End date for humanity 2065 ---give or take a few years--- is my best guess based on logical, common sense critical thinking.