I don't understand how anyone could think trump is smart

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so did he tell people to inject bleach or did he make some wild speculation in the moment?
he thought injecting bleach was a good idea. that makes him stupid. Just like thinking more than 100% of jobs could go to immigrants. Also very, very stupid.

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The reason why most people can't accept that Trump is dumb (which he is) is because your side insists he is the dumbest man on the planet. (which he is not)
I've never said he's the dumbest man on the planet. I'm guessing some people have said that as hyperbole. But I don't think most people would think that. He's managed to live to 78. He's managed to hold onto the wealth than was gifted to him on a silver platter by daddy. He's managed to stay out of prison despite a life of crime. The dumbest man on the planet couldn't have managed that. But he's still very dumb. 

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Media Reporting and Misrepresentation:

The New York Times, in an article from June 15, 2020, titled "FDA Revokes Emergency Approval of Hydroxychloroquine to Treat Covid-19," highlighted the FDA’s decision to revoke the emergency use authorization (EUA) for HCQ. The report focused on studies that showed no significant benefit of the drug for COVID-19 patients and mentioned potential risks, but it downplayed or ignored studies and anecdotal reports that suggested possible benefits, especially when used early in the course of the disease.

CNN consistently ran stories casting doubt on the efficacy of HCQ. In an article from April 24, 2020, titled "No, these medicines cannot cure coronavirus," CNN dismissed the potential of HCQ by citing studies that had shown no benefit or had been halted due to safety concerns. However, the article largely ignored or minimized studies and reports that suggested HCQ could be effective when used in combination with other drugs, such as azithromycin and zinc, particularly if administered early.

The Washington Post published a piece on May 18, 2020, titled "Study finds hydroxychloroquine didn’t help clear coronavirus, citing more deaths among patients," which referenced a study that showed higher mortality rates among patients treated with HCQ. The article focused on this study without adequately addressing the criticisms of its methodology or acknowledging other research that showed differing results.

The Impact of Selective Reporting
The media’s selective reporting on HCQ created a narrative that the drug was not only ineffective but also dangerous. This narrative was reinforced by sensational headlines and the omission of nuanced discussions about the conditions under which HCQ might be effective.

Several studies later suggested that HCQ, particularly when used early in the disease’s progression or in combination with other treatments, had significant benefits. However, these findings were often underreported or dismissed by the MSM, in part because the drug had become so politicized.

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OMG, are you part of Operation Mockingbird? Maybe you and others work for the CIA?
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The Impact of Selective Reporting
The impact of selective memory is the real problem 

CNN consistently ran stories casting doubt on the efficacy of HCQ.
That’s because the medical profession cast doubt on the efficacy of HCQ

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Trump said that X comment on March 21, 2020
A panel of experts convened by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases recommends against doctors using a combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin for the treatment of COVID-19 patients because of potential toxicities.
"The combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin was associated with QTc prolongation in patients with COVID-19," the panel said.
QTc prolongation increases the risk of sudden cardiac death.
The recommendation against their combined use would seem to fly in the face of comments made by President Trump suggesting the combination might be helpful. On March 21, for example, the president described them in a tweet as having a "real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine."
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Trump said on March 21, 2020 on X
HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE & AZITHROMYCIN, taken together, have a real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine. The FDA has moved mountains - Thank You! Hopefully they will BOTH (H works better with A, International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents).....


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The panel's recommendation against using hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) and azithromycin together for COVID-19 treatment due to concerns about QTc prolongation is understandable, but it overlooks evidence from several studies that suggested HCQ could be beneficial, particularly when used early in the disease’s progression. For instance, a study by Dr. Didier Raoult in France, published in International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents in March 2020, showed that patients treated with HCQ and azithromycin had significantly lower viral loads compared to those who did not receive the treatment. This early intervention approach suggested that the combination could reduce the severity and duration of the illness when used appropriately.

Further supporting evidence came from a study conducted at Henry Ford Health System in Michigan, which found that hospitalized COVID-19 patients who received HCQ had a significantly lower mortality rate compared to those who did not. Published in International Journal of Infectious Diseases in July 2020, the study reported that 13% of patients treated with HCQ died compared to 26.4% of those who did not receive the drug. Importantly, this study noted that when HCQ was administered early, alongside careful cardiac monitoring, the risks of QTc prolongation were managed effectively, highlighting the potential life-saving benefits of the drug under controlled conditions.

President Trump's comments about HCQ and azithromycin were based on early reports and studies like these, which indicated that the combination might be effective, particularly in early-stage COVID-19 patients. While the concerns about QTc prolongation were valid, the outright rejection of HCQ in many media reports failed to consider these documented positive outcomes. The debate around HCQ illustrates the need for a balanced perspective that recognizes both the potential risks and the documented benefits, rather than dismissing the treatment altogether.

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It's getting really hard to be a CIA shill these days. AMIRITE?
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ore than 100% of jobs could go to immigrants.
This is him citing studies showing immigrant unemployment being reduced but native born unemployment being the same.  So this is already a lie that has been conclusively disproven
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HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE & AZITHROMYCIN, taken together, have a real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine. The FDA has moved mountains -
Okay he is talking about some ideals being brain stormed behind the scenes. Who cares?
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Why do you support Slovenian sex workers?
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I haven't paid any. If this is a referance to Trump's mail order bride than I will not support America turning into Venezuela, merely because Trump fucks good looking women
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You can see why Evangelists love Trump.
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The alternative in their mind is even more disgusting. Perhaps it is a  strawman but the effort to transition children, turn the country socialist and thus like Venezuela and the support for things like legalization of heroin and even california basically legalizing pedophilia has hardened their position to the right. The left doesn't really give any push back when you see men beating up women in the boxing ring, instead they all in unison praise them. To get them back on the left they will need to at least get back on the side of common sense.
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This is him citing studies showing immigrant unemployment being reduced but native born unemployment being the same.  So this is already a lie that has been conclusively disproven
ohh, him rambling semi-coherently is him talking about something completely differently. Now I get it.

This right here is the answer to my question though I guess. How do people hear trump say incredibly stupid things and still pretend he's smart? They pretend that he didn't say the thing we all heard. No, what he really meant was something else but you just didn't understand him. Cultists...
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Trump just hired Tulsi Gabbard to take on Kamala (again)

Not exactly a smart decision considering Kamala absolutely demolished Tulsi Gabbard on the debate stage... .according to MSM and the CIA
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Cultists...
...can't admit when they're wrong:

so did he tell people to inject bleach or did he make some wild speculation in the moment?
he thought injecting bleach was a good idea.

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...can't admit when they're wrong:
exactly. There are dozens, hundreds of clips of trump doing and saying moronic shit. But his cultists still play the game of "no what he really meant was...."



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why would you continue to claim Trump said "bleach" unless you were in a cult? You literally agreed he never said that, and then proceeded to say he said that.
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...can't admit when they're wrong:
exactly. There are dozens, hundreds of clips of trump doing and saying moronic shit. But his cultists still play the game of "no what he really meant was...."
So what he really means is "bleach" (even though he didn't say it)


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This right here is the answer to my question though I guess. How do people hear trump say incredibly stupid things and still pretend he's smart? They pretend that he didn't say the thing we all heard. No, what he really meant was something else but you just didn't understand him. Cultists...

Because MAGA cultist's have an ego to maintain, ergo, MAGA cult lies to their selves about Trumpet.

It is closed loop based in integrity of ego, and moronic pathways of thought.

Conservative hispanic/latino's ---the majority are older conservative--- are increasingly voting   for for Trumpet and this is a problem for democrats wanting hispanic vote.  Democrates  need to make smarter moves and comments to bring in the hispanic vote and more specifically latina's and the youth.

The polls show just how close presidential vote may be, once again. 

MAGA cultists believe they are the only true USA patriots and this is find for the many of the  Bible thumping evangelicals.

MAGA ego believes!  Believe they are the pure ones!   Believe only they can fix USA!

When an animals is  said to be fixed that is commonly meant the testes are cut off or ovarian tubes are tied.

MAGA cult tends more toward violence than democrats!  There are studies and the real life stories that have shown this many times.

For most part, --the undercurrent--   they see blood being spilled as patriotic! 




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You have drank the media Kool aide.
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30 minutes of gold
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It's a perfect video for people who don't really like either candidate (the majority of independent voters)
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The former president, Donald Trump, repeatedly promoted the use of hydroxychloroquine in the spring of 2020, as both a preventative against and treatment for Covid-19. He did this despite the drug not having proven effectiveness or safety. According to a study published in the February 2024 issue of the peer-reviewed journal Biomedicine & Pharmacotherapy, the pharmaceutical has now been linked to approximately 17,000 deaths.
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You know Trump thought Chloroquine was bleach, don't you?
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According to a study published in the February 2024 issue of the peer-reviewed journal Biomedicine & Pharmacotherapy, the pharmaceutical has now been linked to approximately 17,000 deaths.
rofl

Trump repeats something he saw in the news and they start to make shit up about it killing people. Stuff like this is how I learned about the deep state. They don't seem to care to expose themselves to the observant these days, or maybe they're just getting stupider.
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You know Trump thought Chloroquine was bleach, don't you?
There's more of that CIA MK-Ultra crap where Democrats believe they can read minds and write minds.

CIA is so shameless these days.