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Three days ago, Ukraine launched a surprise offensive into Russian territory, by far the largest of its kind since the start of the war in 2022 (previous incursions were by small militia groups who only stayed 2 or 3 days at most and captured maybe one border village). To date that they've managed to capture around 100-200 square kilometers of Russian territory.

Early into the attack, Russia falsely claimed to have repelled it. They've since repeated that claim several times as the area under Ukrainian control expands. Russian forces have retreated upon encountering the Ukrainians, and Ukraine's best mobile warfare unit is at the helm of this operation.
They've already captured the town of Sudzha, through which flows a Russian pipeline that supplies Europe (or at least it did before the war; I don't know if it still does today). If they can keep up their present momentum, they should be entering the city of Lgov by the end of today. Lgov has a population of about 17,000 and is a fairly major railway hub inside Russia. Furthermore Lgov is a 45 kilometer drive from Kursk, the capital of Kursk Oblast (population 415,000). Objects traveling in a straight line, such as artillery shells, would have to travel a much less than 45-km distance to strike Kursk from Lgov; for context, 45 kilometers is 28 miles.

It's 50/50, then, that by the end of today Ukraine will be able to bombard a Russian city about the size of New Orleans with at least a handful of artillery pieces. And depending on how incompetent the Russian response continues to be they might even capture said Russian city the size of New Orleans at some point in the near future. In this best case scenario, we are talking roughly half a million Russians living under Ukrainian occupation. Half a million Russian hostages whose lives and freedom Ukraine is able to use as a bargaining chip. The whole debacle would, if nothing else and even if short lived, be a catastrophic blow to Putin's image as a man able to protect ordinary Russians from foreign threats.
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Putin has ordered Russian media to compare this to the Battle of Kursk during WWII, which I suppose is fitting because the Soviet Union helped Nazi Germany start WWII and destroy peace in Europe, and then it came back to bite them in the arse. Hard.
But in any case the optics of this are terrible, because Russia was in a very desperate situation during the historical Battle of Kursk, and this is tantamount to an admission from Putin that he's managed to destroy all sense of peacetime normalcy inside Russia by foolishly and needlessly invading Ukraine.
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Alright, so I must correct one part of what I wrote. Lgov is 50 miles west of Kursk, which is a lot farther than what I described above. When I typed in "distance from Lgov to Kursk" it showed me a different place called Lgov which is much closer to the oblast capital than the Lgov which is about to fall into Ukrainian hands. We're still talking a city of 17,000 people.
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Ukraine is retarded.

Russia defeated the (once considered invincible) Grand Army of Napoleon by luring them deep into their territory.

Russia defeated Hitler (who at the start of a war seemed invincible and allies were losing battle after battle, lost entire France and Europe and suffered great territory losses) by luring German military on their own territory.

Now they are doing same to Ukraine.

The principle is simple. By luring enemy onto your territory, it creates 5 problems which otherwise wouldnt exist:

1. Enemy must leave behind some units to guard previous territories, thus the amount of soldiers he has available to fight on your territory reduces.

2. Enemy has to suffer from guerrilla warfare done by local population.

3. Your army becomes more concentrated on your territory, while enemy's army is forced to strech from their territory to yours.

4. Also, there is a winter coming soon, which has caused great casualties in the past to enemies fighting against Russia on its territory.

5. Russia will have Ukraine's army out of their anti-air protection and out of their artillery range and air ports range.
Its very famous tactic in war that infantry advances faster than artillery, anti-air defense and walks out of the range of their own military air ports.
Thus, while Ukrainian military will now be in closer range to Russian bombers and artillery, it will also lose plenty of its air protection, will have to built new airports because old air ports are too far away to support new front line. Even if there are some air ports which can provide support, the distance from air ports and front line has increased, which increases travel time and reduces amount of possible support.
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Ukraine is retarded.

Russia defeated the (once considered invincible) Grand Army of Napoleon by luring them deep into their territory.
You have no idea what you're talking about.

These scenarios are incomparable. The is a battlefield ruled by very expensive weapons of the 21st century. They are running out of microchips not food. Dominos delivery could handle logistics for the Ukrainian assault.



2. Enemy has to suffer from guerrilla warfare done by local population.
This is not total war, the civilians are trying to stay alive.


4. Also, there is a winter coming soon, which has caused great casualties in the past to enemies fighting against Russia on its territory.
Winter kills starving sick infantry lacking winter clothing. Of course it will be a concern but the idea that there is going to be the same kind of mass causalities that there were in the past is absurd.


will have to built new airports because old air ports are too far away to support new front line.
Nothing in your post is more an obvious copy paste from totally different contexts than this.

"new airports" in the heartland of Russia/Ukraine. They almost certainly don't even need to rebase their squadrons to support Kursk and if they did want to for rapid turnaround: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kursk+Airport/@51.7494193,36.2799649,591m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x412f03c000000001:0xb433bae910f891dc!8m2!3d51.7494193!4d36.2825398!16s%2Fm%2F0275pyp?entry=ttu
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Sorry, I have no time to educate you.
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1. Enemy must leave behind some units to guard previous territories, thus the amount of soldiers he has available to fight on your territory reduces.
True. But so is the reverse: Russia has so many people bogged down in Ukraine as to limit the effectiveness of its response in Kursk thus far.

2. Enemy has to suffer from guerrilla warfare done by local population.
For the sake of a war that their own government started and could easily put an end to with a peace treaty offering reasonable terms to Ukraine (like withdrawing from their national territory)? Nah. Who would die for this reason? One's own life is too precious except to the suicidal. Plus, Russia has gun control and Putin presumably has zero tolerance for anti-government militias like those which exist in the US, so it'd take a while for any such group to get on its feet.

3. Your army becomes more concentrated on your territory, while enemy's army is forced to strech from their territory to yours.
Russia cannot concentrate its army on its own territory because those troops are in Ukraine and Putin refuses to withdraw them. If Putin does withdraw them to defend Kursk, he'll have fewer with which to wage offensive war on Ukrainian soil.

4. Also, there is a winter coming soon, which has caused great casualties in the past to enemies fighting against Russia on its territory.
By "soon" you mean in 2-4 months. And since Ukraine and Russia are both countries with a lot of experience dealing with heavy winters, it seems to me both would be equally able to cope with it.

5. Russia will have Ukraine's army out of their anti-air protection and out of their artillery range and air ports range.
The offensive also gives Ukraine a chance to bomb or seize Russian equipment, such as radars, aircraft, and artillery on Russian soil, that would otherwise be outside of their reach. Equipment that could in the future be deployed to and against Ukraine.
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There is no point in debating you guys, so I will just post a link to get the last word


Its a "ship ship" yemen song AI cover
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More good news: as many as 400 Russian troops may've been killed in a massive HIMARS strike on an ill-prepared convoy. The bodies are sitting in the open, and a Russian civilian passing through filmed it and uploaded it to the net (he was arrested by Russian authorities afterward).

Fatalities on Russian soil will be a lot harder to sweep under the rug, or for the government to dismiss as Ukrainian propaganda, than those which happened in Ukraine. If Ukraine can keep this up, it may well change popular Russian beliefs as to whether or not they're winning the war Putin started.
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I did not, but that makes sense.
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Hopefully the offensive will be repelled easily and by Christmas Zelensky is forced out of the country. 
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About 900 days into the 3 day military operation. I am sure everything is going according to plan.
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Yes. Putin is a true 4d chess master
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If this was the plan then it's a shit plan. I would have gone with one with more winning in it.
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As if Ukraine was winning
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Oh, my plan would have less losing too. More winning and less losing. Not sure why he didn't think of that when he was making his plan.

When you go for your next visit to the secret bunker he's cowering in for his next fluff session make sure to tell Putin thanks on behalf of NATO for all the hard work he put in convincing Sweden and Finland to join. Since that was definitely part of his plan.
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No one is winning Doc.

Conflicts come to an end.

And then people carry on with stuff.

Putin will die shortly, and then there will be another old Russian man with erectile dysfunction to compensate for.
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Disc dipshit your plan would fail and the citizens would have you sentenced to prison
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Ugh Russia is winning...basic facts.

Zed are you safe from the riots? Were there any muslim gangs with machestes trying to get you?
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I doubt Americans getting killed on American soil would have the same effect as you suggest for the Russian people.

Existential threat actually comes to mind.
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No riots in my neck of the woods.

Not sure what you hear in the U.S. But it's mostly intellectually retarded no hope white fools high on testosterone, looting Greggs for sausage rolls and gingerbread men.

And for sure they have an Asian type, equivalent.

They quietened down a bit once the courts started dishing out three year prison sentences.


Yep, it happens every now and then, when we have a bit of nice weather.


Top of the morning Doc.
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I'm sure stabbings are part of being european as shootings are to americans.
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You can't send a dictator to prison retard. That's the whose point of you submissives wanting a dictator remember?

Oh yeah also thank him for the years worth of free intel we got on Russian equipment technical capabilities and unit operational procedures without risking a single NATO soldier. That was very nice of him to put that in the plan.
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A coup could happen...
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Also can't forget the part where he made it really easy for Biden to convince European NATO countries to start hitting that 2% of GDP recommended military spending level that Trump was never able to convince them to do because he is so bad at negotiating. I think there are only four countries not hitting that mark now when it used to be over twenty. Tell him thanks for that one too. Great plan.
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Ok? Europeans froze to death in the winter but France got over the 2% GDP mark hooray
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France and others, just as Putin planned. Yes. That's what he wanted I am sure. If the reason you keep replying back is because you're waiting for the list of ways his invasion backfired to run out you have a while yet to wait. Putin's incompetence and the blind support he gets from braindead cucks like yourself has ensured that the list is quite long.

All the billions worth of oil he had to sell at a massive discount to India for example. Let Putin know that India thanks him for jumpstarting their industrialization at Russia's expense. But sure that was definitely part of the plan.
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Why would putin care
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About losing out on billions in Russia's largest industry because Russia had to sell at a huge discount because of sanctions? If you can't figure that out yourself go ask one of Putin's other fluff boys, maybe they can.

Now I'm picturing Putin in a briefing room a month before the invasion with a Russian general pointing to a chart with a red line going down explaining "so according to this plan two and a half years from now our oil refining capacity will be reduced over 10% due to Ukrainian drone attacks on our refineries" while Putin nods solemnly and says "ah yes of course, this is the plan we will go with. They will never see it coming".