Ten Commandments in Classrooms

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Two steps forwards and one step back for the organic.

Though the rise of technological intelligence moves on apace.

Doesn't seem to matter what nonsense we fill peoples heads with.


So Mr Omni lost his pen and paper and had to quickly jot things down onto some lumps of rock.

For sure.
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Amen!! It’s refreshing to hear of a school promoting the Bible!!
Goes against the separation of church and state .
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Did you see the first episode of SNL from 1975 shown last night on NBC?  You should see what George Carlin says about God.
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Church and state shouldn’t be separated, God calls us (to do what is right) and include him in everything we do, and bring up children in his ways aka discipline and school.
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Church and state shouldn’t be separated, God calls us (to do what is right) and include him in everything we do, and bring up children in his ways aka discipline and school.
That is why Trump added the constitution and bill of rights to the Bible and called it the Trump Bible.
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Yeah that whole thing’s weird and idk what to think about it 
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If there is a GOD, it looks, it laughs, checks on material progress and then switches off it's monitor.

Though I'm guessing that a Universal Interventionist Super-Intelligence is currently too far away heading in the opposite direction.

Whether or not some old some Arabian geezers actually came across ISI chiselling messages onto lumps of rock, is to say the least,  daftly contentious.


Nope RandomChristian6395, it was more than likely made up by ignorant blokes high on hashish and booze.


So, we fill up our kids heads with bunkum...It's the way it goes.

And a few clever kids will press on with the more important stuff.

The remaining billions are just left moseying around on this spec of cosmic dust, mostly spouting crap, because they  know no better.



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Just a question, are you related to Einstein like I am? He left Nazi Germany and fled to England.
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God does care, but he doesn’t always intervene like we’d want him to. But we’re waging a battle against false information/teachings in school, and he helps. The public school system is definitely messed up. 

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The remaining billions are just left moseying around on this spec of cosmic dust, mostly spouting crap, because they  know no better.
You sound like one of them.
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Probably.
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My dog looks like Albert and my wife is related to Isaac newton.

That is my claim to fame, to date.

Though, Mrs Zed retires very soon and she says that she is going to pursue genealogical endeavours.

I will keep you updated.
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God does care.

If there is one, it may well do.


But I'm guessing that it cares more about the progress of the whole, rather than the plight of the individual.
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But I'm guessing that it cares more about the progress of the whole, rather than the plight of the individual.

There is no one who is insignificant in the purpose of God?
"There is no one who is insignificant in the purpose of God." Alistair Begg “For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.” Jeremiah 29:11 #MondayMotivation #QHM #Hope #Future.

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How come God doesn't talk to people through a burning bush on X ?
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How come God doesn't talk to people through a burning bush on X ?
He sent Jesus as his messenger.
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He sent Jesus as a messenger.
That was two thousand years ago, before humans invented IT.

Odd that Mr Omni and his sidekick J are still not connected.


Alistair Begg.
Yep, that's one way to make a living.

And there are obviously plenty of people willing to pay him to do so.

I can't knock it.
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He sent Jesus as a messenger.
That was two thousand years ago, before humans invented IT.

Odd that Mr Omni and his sidekick J are still not connected.
His message would not have worked over the internet. The Jews would have rejected that too.
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Wasn't Jesus a Jew?  He was born in Judah to Joseph and Mary, a Jewish father and mother.
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Wasn't Jesus a Jew?  He was born in Judah to Joseph and Mary, a Jewish father and mother.
God sent Jesus as his messenger to the Jewish people. The Jews rejected Jesus.
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Jesus is of the House of Judah, and, further, both Joseph and Mary, also Jews, were of the direct lineage of Judah to David, and, had Judaea been an autonomous kingdom as under David, Joseph would have been the king, as Jesus would have succeeded him, being, legitimately by blood of both Joseph and Mary, King of the Jews. That the Jews did not recognize that by their ignorance of the genealogy, were under further condemnation of God above and beyond rejecting his gospel and messiaship. Source: James E. Talmage, “Jesus the Christ”
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Church and state shouldn’t be separated, God calls us (to do what is right) and include him in everything we do, and bring up children in his ways aka discipline and school.
Have you lost your mind; if you get the church involved with the government you will get the government involved with the church.

The separation of church and state protects the church from the government. 

Let's not forget that Jesus advocated the separation of church and state.

"Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's"
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Jesus is of the House of Judah, and, further, both Joseph and Mary, also Jews, were of the direct lineage of Judah to David, and, had Judaea been an autonomous kingdom as under David, Joseph would have been the king, as Jesus would have succeeded him, being, legitimately by blood of both Joseph and Mary, King of the Jews. That the Jews did not recognize that by their ignorance of the genealogy, were under further condemnation of God above and beyond rejecting his gospel and messiaship. Source: James E. Talmage, “Jesus the Christ”
That is not what the Bible tells us. Jesus’s Lineage in the Bible is traced to Mary and God his father.
Luke 1:29 Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. 30 But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. 31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”
34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”
35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called[b] the Son of God. 
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I already recognize that Jesus does not have any sireship by Joseph, but that is not my point. My point is that Jesus was not just King of the Jews by virtue if his being the Messiah, but by actual Judah-Davidic lineage, as I said. Please read my entire commentary of post #81. It is pure irony that the First-century first-decades Jews really did kill their rightful king, even by virtue of Mary's bloodline.
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God sent Jesus as his messenger to the Jewish people. The Jews rejected Jesus.
Christianity grew directly out of Judaism and become 2 billion strong.

You call that a rejection?

I think it represents a remarkable acceptance.


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I already recognize that Jesus does not have any sireship by Joseph, but that is not my point. My point is that Jesus was not just King of the Jews by virtue if his being the Messiah, but by actual Judah-Davidic lineage, as I said.
Mary’s bloodline has nothing to do with it, the strictly Christian idea of the virgin birth and the incarnation are inconsistent with Jewish Messianic prophecy. The Messiah of Judaic prophecy was to be completely human, born of two human parents, and descended on his father’s side from King David (Genesis 49:10, Isaiah 11:1, Jeremiah 23:5, 33:17; Ezekiel 34:23-24).

Please read my entire commentary of post #81. It is pure irony that the First-century first-decades Jews really did kill their rightful king, even by virtue of Mary's bloodline.
Nonsense, first of all, it wasn’t the Jews, it was the Romans that killed Jesus, and Jesus did not fulfill the Messianic prophecy of “First-century first-decades Jews”, so he can’t be considered their “rightful king” because He did not fulfill the Messianic prophecies of Judaism and He did not possess the personal qualifications of Judaism’s Messiah.

He did not fulfill the central theme of Judaic Messianic prophecy, which was to bring about an age of perfection with universal peace and worldwide acceptance of the God of Judaism. (Isaiah 2:1-4; Zephaniah 3:9; Hosea 2:20-22; Amos 9:13-15; Isaiah 32:15-18, 60:15-18; Micah 4:1-4; Zechariah 8:23, 14:9; Jeremiah 31:33-34). 

Jesus did not build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28) and he did not bring all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6) during his lifetime.  There is absolutely no concept of a “second coming” of the Messiah in Judaic Scripture and the Jewish Messiah is to rule Israel during the age of perfection, Jesus did not do so. (Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5).

In fact, the fundamentalist Christian contention about the Messiah regarding divisiveness and exclusivity between Jews and Christians is diametrically opposed to the Judaic prophecy that the Messiah would unite mankind to live in perfect harmony as one. 


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God sent Jesus as his messenger to the Jewish people. The Jews rejected Jesus.
Christianity grew directly out of Judaism and become 2 billion strong.

You call that a rejection? 

I think it represents a remarkable acceptance.
Judaism is still a religion followed by the Jews competing with Christianity. Jesus betrayed the Jews even though he was a Jew and followed Judaism.
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The Messiah of Judaic prophecy was to be completely human, born of two human parents, 
Not one of your several O.T. verses cited imply a "completely human, born of two human parents." I presume you mean human mortal parents. God is immortal, but he is of no other animal type than human. So, your description is conflicted. God the Father is the literal father of Jesus Christ; Mary, a mortal human daughter of David by several generations is his mother. Joseph, a cousin of Mary, served the role of mortal "father" to Jesus, though contributed not to the genome of Jesus Christ. The blood of Joseph is not in the Christ; not one drop. He is of God's bloodline, being the literal son of the Father, the Holy One of Israel, and Israel's Redeemer, as testified by Genesis, Isaiah, Jeremiah & Ezekiel.

it was the Romans that killed Jesus,
Romans, only because Israel, then, was under Roman rule, and were forbidden by Rome to put anyone to death.That the elders of Israel sought the life of Christ is unquestionable. I will not bash biblical scripture with you. Bo9th O.T prophecy and N.T references abound that the Pharisees sought Christ's death for blasphemy, claiming to be the Son of God.

so he can’t be considered their “rightful king”
I did not say Jesus was King by messianic prophecy. I said he was king because had Rome not ruled over Judea, but Judea had been of their own rule, even through Mary's bloodline, Jesus would have been the rightful King of Judea. It just so happened that Joseph, as well, was of that bloodline. That's the historic bloodline of it all, my friend, accept it, or don't. 

He did not fulfill the central theme of Judaic Messianic prophecy, 
I did not say he was, then, at the Meridian of time. But he will fulfill that prophecy when he returns. He will be recognized as King of Israel, and of the world. That's a future event, not past. I never said that is Judaic pro[hecy, although it is. They just misunderstand it. Thy will come to accept it in time.

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udaism is still a religion followed by the Jews competing with Christianity. Jesus betrayed the Jews even though he was a Jew and followed Judaism.
Nope. the pre-mortal Jesus was Yahweh, or Jehovah. He is the God of Israel, whom they worshiped. unknowing and unaccepting that he was born to Mary, of God the Father's sireship, and was and will be the Messiah. Jews, and everyone else will come to accept this as fact, even though it is rejected now by many. Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, and Redeemer of all mankind. All. He is the  Prince of Peace.




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Okay from that POV your right, in today’s society it probably wouldn’t be possible and stuff, church and state used to be more mixed, if the world was still for Christ it would be easier.