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Author: MAV99
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I do bot think it is an assumption based on a set of collective criteria (a phrase which seems a little ambiguous).

Wars come in different shapes and sizes and range in many aspects, ranging from magnitude and actors involved to agendas and relations to national borders. Yet whether interstate or civil, framed in national, ethnic, or other terms, all wars have some things in common: they are violent and, therefore, dangerous, and they are an essentially collective effort. This makes them subject to the collective action problem:
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Well what is right and wrong?

Who decided.

It was decided by collective decision, and is maintained by collective decision. 

Though this is a generalisation.

Because we can obviously cite examples where the greater collective is oppressed by a smaller collective.


Even so, if we look at the global picture, killing each other is easily justified.

Which suggests to me that right and wrong are merely conceptual ideas rather than innate qualities.
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Even so, if we look at the global picture, killing each other is easily justified.

Which suggests to me that right and wrong are merely conceptual ideas rather than innate qualities.
Self preservation are innate qualities. Killing each other are collective justice.
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Correct.
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Correct
Collective actions are more consequential.
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You offer a discussion of words; I am all in. I consider myself wordsmith by preference, and my go-to is the OED [Oxford English Dictionary - unabridged], the premier [my belief] dictionary of the English language, being, in print, 20 volumes in 6-point font.   My editi0on came with magnifying glass. Enough about me.
My choice on you list, for now [I'll post other selections] is: knowledge.
First, I believe there is no end to knowledge; it is inexhaustible in volume, and actually expands. I perceive knowledge as an infinite plane of points. Each point represents, first, an individual, unrelated idea, or portion of an idea, perhaps better represented as a single word, disassociated with any other point on the plane. We can link one point with another point, such as an arcing line from one point to another. Each point may have many such lines, each linking to another point on the plane. Thus, ultimately, a complete idea is formed; a single concept in the entire body of knowledge. The plane is functional by points and lines on both sides, such that, potentially, every point on one side [remembering that in mathematics, a single point has no dimensional size] can connect with any other point  on either side of the plane. The plane, with it points and lines, as a visual, would then appear as a sphere which represents the total body of knowledge.
As the body of knowledge grows, more points become linked to other points, allowed to grow the sphere infinitely.
I further believe that, since I maintain that the body of knowledge can be infinite, it's possible that God [I am a Christian] as an inifinate being, at least by our perspective,  he may either be shy of knowing all things, or may know all things, but has not experience all things. I further believe that we, his children, are on an infinite journey of eternal progression, such that, one day, we may gain sufficient knowledge and ability to become like him, while he continues to progress beyond us. So,, if he knows all things, perhaps he has not become experienced in all things, like we may study how to be an astronaut, but do not yet have that experience. Wisdom being, by one definition, the practical use, not just the possession of knowledge. Otherwise, I perceive eternity to be a boring place to be if God not only knows all, but has experienced all. What does he do the day after that achievement it reached? I do not believe we start over from scratch. What's the point of that?
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Otherwise, I perceive eternity to be a boring place to be if God not only knows all, but has experienced all. What does he do the day after that achievement it reached? I do not believe we start over from scratch. What's the point of that?
We know what God did on the day that Jesus fulfilled his mission.
Jesus lamented on the cross.

Matthew 27:46
About the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”


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About the ninth hour Jesus cried out ...
Yes, on the occasion, since the atonement had to be a supreme, personal sacrifice, I believe Father, by choice, if not obligation, withdrew such that no physical or spiritual sustenance would be supplied by Father, or angels, around him as he willingly completed his purpose for being here - to atone for our sins, our suffering,, physical and spiritual, our doubts, and all things that detract from  our physical and spiritual potential perfection. Jesus, the Christ, had to do it on his own, or fail. That is why more often now than ever before, I offer prayers that are exclusively for gratitude - I do not ask for anything.  It's a practice I have had for about ten years, and it is still hard, but my feeling in my heart and soul swells every time I am successful doing so. I really believe Father is pleased when all I say is how grateful I am for his blessings. They tend to be longer prayers as I try to remember just what I have been given.
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Yes, on the occasion, since the atonement had to be a supreme, personal sacrifice, I believe Father, by choice, if not obligation, withdrew such that no physical or spiritual sustenance would be supplied by Father, or angels, around him as he willingly completed his purpose for being here - to atone for our sins, our suffering,, physical and spiritual, our doubts, and all things that detract from  our physical and spiritual potential perfection.
The sacrifice was for atonement of sins. But Jesus was shocked that God abandoned him in his hour of need.

We know what God did on the day that Jesus fulfilled his mission.
Jesus lamented on the cross.

Matthew 27:46
About the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”