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After a recent conversation with 3RU7AL, I have decided I would like to start a thread that discusses a very important aspect, not only to philosophy, but also debating as well. An aspect that I think will help clear up some various confusions that I have, at least, encountered while reading other threads.

This important aspect of course is definitions. Without definitions, a conversation can become pure semantics with each side babbling and misunderstanding each other.

And so, to help get a better idea of your understanding, my dear friends on debateart, I would like to ask, if you bother with the time, to define certain words that are very relevant to any philosophical discussion and why you think that is the/a good definition.

If you think a word does not have a definition, per se, but is rather a multi-meaning word, please explain away. I am all for analogous words.

Of course, I would prefer this thread be for peoples individual philosophical definitions and as such, I do not intend for debates to happen here, even though I am perfectly willing to bring it to an actual debate.

With that said, here is the list I would ask for from you ladies and gentlemen:

Cause
effect
Principle
Knowledge
Will (or if you think as such: free will, determined will, etc...)
Being
Real
reality
truth
goodness
true
good (If you think these go in with their abstract counterparts, fine with me. Some poeple do not think so...)
beauty
evil
nature

I understand this is not an exhaustive list. If you wish to add more words that you think are important, by all means, please add it. I would love to read it.

I also understand that it is very difficult to cram philosophy into such little spaces. I think participation in this thread will ultimately just be to simply explain better if someone has a question about your definition. THIS THREAD IS NOT FOR DEBATING DEFINITIONS. IT IS ULTIMATELY JUST TO KNOW WHAT SOMEONE THINKS A CERTAIN, VERY COMMON, PHILOSOPHICAL WORD MEANS.

With that my dear friends, answer away! I will be back in August to see what you have written.
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Cause

effect
The concept of an event or state which precedes another event or state where the earlier event/state is claimed to be necessary for the later event/state to have happened.

The earlier is the cause. The later is the effect.

That is, in the hypothetical world without the cause, the effect does not come to exist.


Principle
An asserted relationship between abstractions, logically derived from abstractions.


Knowledge
The recorded perception of existence including all that can be inferred from other perceptions.


Will
The executive algorithm in a thinking machine/organ. That which transforms possibilities into priorities and priories into decisions.
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Definitively, one might suggest that an affect might also be a cause...Especially as a part of a sequence of events.


Principle:  Key data relative to an understanding, or to an hypothesis.

Knowledge:  Recorded and retrievable data.

Will:  The ability to make decisions within the context of the thinking unit. (Cause and effect, rather than randomness).

Being:  Relative to knowledge...The principle of the assumed status of the self and others.

Real:  Relative to knowledge...The assumption that sensory input is accurate.

Reality:  See above.

Truth: See above.

Goodness:  An indefinite principle.

True:  Understood to be accurate. (Within the context of the thinking device or devices)

Good:  Conforming with the indefinite principle of goodness.

Beauty:  An assumption relative to conditioned expectation.

Evil:  Another assumption relative to conditioned expectation.

Nature:  Everything.


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truth
There is no such thing as truth, since people dont have all knowledge.

Most people dont even have the most basic knowledge about what truth even is.

They just ramble nonsense and repeat what they are told, and call that "thinking".

Thats why they fall for lies from politicians and media all the time.

Thats why they expect that they can make all the bad decisions in life and expect that the outcome of that can be good.

They dont believe in truth. They believe in whats funny and what feels good.

Thats why US politicians look like they came from cartoon.
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This important aspect of course is definitions. Without definitions, a conversation can become pure semantics with each side babbling and misunderstanding each other.
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REAL-TRUE-FACTS (including objects) must be empirically verifiable and or logically-necessary (and emotionally meaningless) - - - everything else is functionally indistinguishable from OPINION (private experiential gnosis dreams emotions) - - - the first category is QUANTA and the second category is QUALIA
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Will
The executive algorithm in a thinking machine/organ. That which transforms possibilities into priorities and priories into decisions.
nice

i'd call it

"goal seeking in service of desire"

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Cause: That which influences a being in anyway whatsoever.

  This means that there are different types of causes and different degrees of them. Some more powerful than others and some more necessary than others.

effect: The determined result of the action of a cause

   This means that without a cause there is no effect. Cause is an essential part to the definition of effect.

Principle: That from which something proceeds in anyway whatsoever.

    This is not necessarily a cause, but it can be. The reason for this distinction is that a principle will never have a cause ad initio (ad initio means we look at it as a beginning and not necessarily as the beginning.)

Knowledge: Union of forms.

   This definition is one of jargon. A form is "what the thing is" This does mean knowledge is some morphing of two things but rather two things that are united "side by side" so to speak, like two friends are "one thing" that we call friendship.

Free will: The rational appetite.

   This one is also a jargon definition. Rational means it belongs to one with reason. One who can deduce or induce knowledge. "Free" is actually included in rational since by definition rationality means we can see, know and act on causes. appetite is a tendency towards something. Which means you need something to tend towards in order to elicit an act of free will.

Being: That which is.

   This definition means that "being" is analogous. Meaning it has one common definition that can be used in various ways. For example: white does not exist the same way that a tree does. There are different ways to be.

Real: That which exists outside the knowing mind.

   Which means you do not need knowledge of it for it to exist.

reality: The real as understood in the mind.

   This is different from the above "real" because it does require you to have some knowledge of something in order for it to exist. So the tree in my backyard is real and its reality is in my mind and the real tree causes it to be a reality in my mind. Notice this very subtle difference. I do not use reality the same way many others do.

truth: Being as it is in the mind.
   
   This is not much different from "reality" the nuanced difference is that "being" here is a more universal meaning and not the particular like "reality" So it is a broader concept.

goodness: Being as it is in the real.

   This one is in comparison to truth, and it is important for understanding the question of evil...

true: The quality of a thing to be real.

   This means we use this word to describe something that is outside the mind.

Good: Actual positive existence.

   This definition means that everything that has existence is a good thing. You might ask about a tornado or hurricane. Those things of themselves are good, but their effect is not, at least in some aspects.

beauty: The good as known and pondered upon.

   I like defining this one as this because it shows that contemplation of something is to see the good in it. Hence one can contemplate a violent storm and still see some good in it. I also think it is a remedy to many mental health problems that modern day people might have. But this is only an opinion and not really something I am looking to debate. But I will discuss it in a PM if you want.

evil: Lack of a due good.

   This does not mean that simply because there is a lack of good there is evil. No! a diet is a lack of certain foods yet is certainly a good thing sometimes.

nature: The action and process of a thing to its end.

    This means that nature has to do with purpose. There are a few ways to understand purpose which I can explain further if asked.

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There is no such thing as truth, since people dont have all knowledge.
Is that true?
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There is no such thing as truth, since people dont have all knowledge.
Is that true?

Truth is relative.

Declaring that something is true for one person, but not for another, is to claim that the truth is relative to or dependent on the subject being considered. Therefore, there is no universal truth applicable to all men, making the judgment of others futile.
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Truth is relative.
If that is true, then there is a truth that applies to all people.




Use a little common sense please.

If this is your philosophy then you are hopeless. it is a self-contradicting statement.


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Truth is relative.
If that is true, then there is a truth that applies to all people. 




Use a little common sense please.

If this is your philosophy then you are hopeless. it is a self-contradicting statement.
Where truth is relative?
Trump has been impeached twice, indicted 4 times with 91 felony counts. Ordered to pay 88.3 million dollars for sexually assaulting and defaming E.Jean Carroll. Trump was fined 464 million dollars for business fraud and is in court for paying a porn star Stormy Daniels hush money to keep her silent during the elections. Trump's false or misleading claims total 30573 over 4 years Trump has been charged with tax fraud in Chicago to the tune of 100 million dollars. A New York jury on Thursday found Donald Trump guilty on all 34 felony counts of falsifying business records — the first time a former U.S. president has been convicted of a crime.

To the voter Trump is the best candidate. Voters put Trump in the WhiteHouse a second time.
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Do you understand what "truth" and "relative" mean?

Truth itself has to be objective. Man's perception of truth is something different.

If you accept that something is, then you have to accept an objective veracity attributed to it.

If not, everything you say is stupid.


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Do you want to debate that?
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Everything one says may or may not be stupid, relative to context, expectation, and the purpose or not of a developing  material system.

Converting acquired data sequences into a representative sound, is what it is.

Acquiring incoming sound signals and converting them into understandable data is also what it is.

Within a broader universal context, the veracity of all such data can only be  speculative...Unless you actually know something that I don't.
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Is that true?
No. Nothing is true, not even this.

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Do you understand what "truth" and "relative" mean?

Truth itself has to be objective. Man's perception of truth is something different.

If you accept that something is, then you have to accept an objective veracity attributed to it.

If not, everything you say is stupid.



What is the theory that truth is relative?
The sociological view that beliefs are context-dependent, in the sense that their context helps explain why people have the beliefs they do, has also been used to support what is sometimes called “social” or “sociological relativism” or the view that truth or correctness is relative to social contexts because we can

What is the theory that everything is relative?
Albert Einstein's theory of relativity describing absolute ...
The special theory of relativity, first described by Albert Einstein, was merely a statement of the realization that we were wrong-- distances in space and time are actually relative. They change depending on how fast you're moving.

What does Nietzsche say about truth?
Truths are illusions which we have forgotten are illusions- they are metaphors that have become worn out and have been drained of sensuous force, coins which have lost their embossing and are now considered as metal and no longer as coins. We still do not yet know where the drive for truth comes from.

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"You can only lose if you are playing to win. If your purpose is the pursuit of truth, there is no such thing as losing. There is only growth."
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"You can only lose if you are playing to win. If your purpose is the pursuit of truth, there is no such thing as losing. There is only growth."

Refinement of the truth to get closer to any absolute principles involved with it. 

We orbit the truth getting closer to it via our refining of our defintions of it. Para-phrasing B Fuller.
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"You can only lose if you are playing to win. If your purpose is the pursuit of truth, there is no such thing as losing. There is only growth."
It is only when you are losing do you start seeking for the truth of why you lost.
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Any word that can be misinterpreted must always be put into the context  when it is being used so as to prevent any misinterpretation. Always works for me. I have never in all my years of talking to people never have I ever had someone not understand the meaning of  the words coming out of my mouth. Many will disagree with the thought I put into words, but the meaning of the words themselves are never challenged. 
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Any word that can be misinterpreted must always be put into the context  when it is being used so as to prevent any misinterpretation. Always works for me. I have never in all my years of talking to people never have I ever had someone not understand the meaning of  the words coming out of my mouth. Many will disagree with the thought I put into words, but the meaning of the words themselves are never challenged. 
That is impressive coming from someone who has a high school diploma.
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Ya, fuck you to.

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Ya, fuck you to.
 You need to work on your limited vocabulary.
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You need to fuck off and not comment on my posts anymore. Did you understand those words and the context they were being used.
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You need to fuck off and not comment on my posts anymore. Did you understand those words and the context they were being used.
Do you mean?
Ya, fuck you to.

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You are so tiresome, boring, predictable  and redundant. Everyone hates you. Just go away and bore some other website to death.
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You are so tiresome, boring, predictable  and redundant. Everyone hates you. Just go away and bore some other website to death.
Any wonder why you don’t have any friends here.
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My point proved. My work is done here.
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You need to fuck off and not comment on my posts anymore. Did you understand those words and the context they were being used.

Sadolite, on this one we are in total agreement. That is three members who have made similar comments, however, DArt has become a free-for-all including lack of integrity of respect for other personal space, when they ask for it in threads they have started.

That said, I do believe some moderator is keeping majority of spam at bay. Thank Barney or whomever for that.

Some of us remember the zombie apocalypse of spam that ate away the flesh of the original Dart forum.