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The case against Israel is very much undeniable.

Israel justifies killing of 40,000 Palestinian civilians because Hamas killed 1000 Israeli.

First, thats obviously a very disproportional number.

Second, the civilians which Israel kills are not those who attacked Israel and killed 1000 Israeli.

It is same as the case if some murderer kills person's family member. That person doesnt get to kill random civilians as an act of revenge for murder of a family member.

Many of the killed in Israel's bombing attacks are children who in no way carry the guilt for attack on Israel.

Thus, an attack on civilians is not self defense, but it is a war crime.

Israel has spent 7 decades abusing Palestinians. The attack on Israel came as a product of abuse which Palestinians endured at the hands of Israel.

Israel also specifically targets civilian homes, hospitals and schools, cuts food supply to starve Palestinians. So to put it simply, Israel is producing even more terrorists who will fight against it.

The Israeli bombing is led by the political strategy of claiming that every bombed object hosted terrorists, and the rest of the world is told to disprove that instead of asking for Israel to prove its own claims.

Israel's claims were disproved many times where at the place of bombing, no dead soldiers were found, but only civilians.

But even if we were to take Israel's claims as true, killing 20 civilians to kill 1 enemy soldier is still a war crime.

There is basically no excuse for leveling entire cities to ground and killing 40,000 civilians.

Its not just disproportional revenge, but its severely punishing mostly those who are not even guilty.

You cannot expect to abuse, starve and bomb any group of people and still expect them to give you support.

You are much more likely to turn them against you, but you are also much more likely to turn good amount of countries in the world against you.

Its not that people love Palestine, as much as they are disgusted by actions of Israel who has taken for right to kill any amount of civilians it wants just to display some blind revenge mentality.

However, Israel cannot be seen as morally justified since it kills those who are not guilty of any crime.

Such actions cannot even be justified, since all they prove is that Israel is as bad as Hamas.

If Hamas is bad because it killed 1000 Israeli civilians, then how much more is Israel bad for killing 40,000 civilians?

Israel cannot kill so many civilians and still expect that the world will support it, nor there is any justification for killing civilians together with terrorists.

If the goal was to kill terrorists while avoiding civilian casualties, Israel wouldnt use bombs which are specifically designed to kill more civilians than terrorists when used in populated areas.

In fact, Israel is acting like the goal is to kill as much civilians as possible without making it too obvious that thats the goal.
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Yes, but have you considered that other countries have gotten away with civilian warfare in the past, therefore Israel should be allowed to kill civilians as well? It's only fair. No country in history has ever been held to the standard of not killing babies from a country that attacked them, and this is no time to change that.
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Yes, but have you considered that other countries have gotten away with civilian warfare in the past, therefore Israel should be allowed to kill civilians as well? 
No, since I dont really hold opinion that its justified to kill civilians, now or in the past. Because if its justified, then whats the difference between them and terrorists, and how are terrorists then even unjustified?
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No, since I dont really hold opinion that its justified to kill civilians, now or in the past.
You're right, but this is the position that will make both sides hate you.
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Yes, but whats the alternative?

One can pretend that one side is good, but thats just ignoring the obvious reality that fighters on both sides want to eradicate the complete population of the other side.

Most of those in USA who support Palestine dont actually approve of what Hamas did, they just recognize how Israel's military is bad too, but with a difference that Israel has a lot more firepower while Hamas right now is almost powerless to harm Israel.

Maybe there are some people in USA who justify Hamas, but I think majority of those who support Palestine would never say that what Hamas did was right.

Its the civilian casualties which are the issue for people in USA. Even the question of taking away land has mostly been pushed to side due to massive civilian casualties.
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I think majority of those who support Palestine would never say that what Hamas did was right.
Perhaps you are correct, given your carefully worded claim, if taken absolutely verbatim, that the majority of supporters do not say that they believe October 7 was right. No, they tend to use words such as “sympathize with” or “support.”


Of course, one must also account for all the supporters who believe that October 7 was a false flag operation masterminded by the Mossad…

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given your carefully worded claim, if taken absolutely verbatim
Yeah, it seems that my brain wrote a casual assumption claim and also designed it to be immune to possible counter-arguments.

Good job, my brain!

Also, your link is about student protestors, where my claim was just an assumption about majority of Palestine supporters.
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Now, I opened your link, and it says:

"The terrorist sympathizers were about split between having “a lot of” or “a little” sympathy for the group."

Having a little sympathy for the group doesnt usually translate into approving everything that group does.
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Of course, one must also account for all the supporters who believe that October 7 was a false flag operation masterminded by the Mossad…
  You don't say ?
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my claim was just an assumption
Yes, I’m well aware…

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I opened your link
This is progress!

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I’m sure you know who the first Holocaust deniers were. They kept Hitler’s best speeches in a book on their nightstand.

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Yes,  Trump hosted Holocaust denier at Mar-a-Lago estate during visit with Kanye West, a week after announcing 2024 run.
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And he kept a book of Hitler’s best speeches on his nightstand! Ergo, Trump denies the Holocaust!

Now, see if you can construct a complete sentence using “Trump” as subject, verb, adjective, and object.
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Trump is very stupid.  Well, that's what one of his professors said.
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You only mentioned Trump once in two complete sentences. I was looking for something like: “Trump trumped the trumpy Trump.”

Think of the spam sketch from Monty Python.
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Comedians have a high IQ though. You ask the impossible.
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You ask the impossible.
I realized that ever since I thought I might find a dialectic here…


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They thought you meant a diabetic apparently...
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You know, all the founding fathers had to do was simply take a bunch of tory females and kids hostage and dig some tunnels, and that's how you birth a new nation.

So easy today!
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Palestine is free? Is that why so many Jews are there?
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To be fair, Hamas did kill civilians too, but only to a lesser extent.

Still, Hamas is just a "terrorist group" with fundings from ties to Israel that take advantage of the hatred of Israel. No official government's military should order to bomb hospitals and resources.
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To be fair, Hamas did kill civilians too, but only to a lesser extent.
Yep, I'm no fan of Hamas either.
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Nobody should be a fan of Hamas. Most people who "stand with Hamas" don't really know that they too are just a terrorist group that just so happens to be fighting against Israel. What they should be standing with and are probably in reality standing with, are the people in Palestine who are suffering due to war.
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Hamas terrorists should have stayed at home and looked after their families.

Kill 1000 people and you're not going to be invited over for tea and biscuits and a friendly chat.

Seems like Islamic propaganda has got you waving the flag too.

I bet you've got a pair of black, white, green, and red underpants.
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I think your people have the right ideal of how to deal with Muslims, considering China's active genocide of the Uygher people.

China's actions also show Muslims to be the cowards that they are. They attack Israel and the United States. Countries kind to them. However they fear China and are too cowardly to attack those with zero empathy for them. 

That's right. I don't have criticism for China. I compliment them when they are right but unlike some cowards, I also acknowledge when they are wrong
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considering China's active genocide of the Uygher people.
This is a hoax, but you believe what you want to believe because there is no way to change what you are believing.

That's right. I don't have criticism for China.
Usually I don't get offended and this is one of those times because I have already given up on you one year ago, but this is not a valid reason at all to insult Muslims even if it is true.

I do in fact think you should go to a brain doctor. Before that, mind if you log off this site?


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This is a hoax, but you believe what you want to believe because there is no way to change what you are believing.
It's pretty obviously true given footage and leaked internal documents. We can debate it if you want but I would tread very lightly once you discover the truth so your government doesn't silence you
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PRIMAL ETHICS

(1) PROTECT YOURSELF
(2) PROTECT YOUR FAMILY
(3) PROTECT YOUR PROPERTY
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PRIMAL ETHICS

(1) PROTECT YOURSELF
(2) PROTECT YOUR FAMILY
(3) PROTECT YOUR PROPERTY
Is that similar to non-aggression principle?

Since you would be only acting to protect those 3 against those who attack them, thus those 3 can be followed by everyone in society without a contradiction.