Liberty and
Guns
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I support the LGBT+ community
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There are people in the world who think that my body doesnt belong to me, but every time I ask them "who does it belong to?", I dont get an answer.
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@Best.Korea
every time I ask them "who does it belong to?", I dont get an answer.
Your pimp, of course
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@Savant
Lol
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@Best.Korea
There are people in the world who think that my body doesnt belong to me
In what context? If you decide your bodily autonomy is eating oranges that you buy, then nobody would care.
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@TheUnderdog
Why?
We "support" veterans. Cops who expose themselves to danger every day. People who survived 9/11 or cancer. Stuff like that.
The LGBT community has done nothing virtuous to earn our support, and what's more they voluntarily shirk the paramount civic duty to produce the next generation of citizens, which most heterosexual people do at some point in their lives. That leaves the other implied reason: unfair hardship or suffering which may not reasonably be considered self-inflicted.
Gay sex hasn't been illegal since 2003 and is in no credible danger of being re-criminalized. Gay marriage has been legal in all 50 states since 2015, or almost 9 years ago, and likewise is untouchable at this point.
All that's really left is the disapproval of their peers, but the same can be said of any lifestyle that, in a given peer group, is fringe: for example, a person born and raised in the most hardcore liberal atheist suburb of Massachusetts who became a Bible thumping Evangelical Christian would likely experience ostracism and outright hostility from some. Or a practicing nudist in most social circles, and so on. Choosing not to conform to whatever the culture around you is a luxury which America affords, but it does inherently carry the risk of being isolated from your peers. You accept this risk in choosing to be a nonconformist when you have the ability to do otherwise, and such a person has no right to pull the martyr card or to be constantly applauded for their choice.
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@Swagnarok
This was the LGBT+ community I was referring too:
Liberty andGunsBuildsToughness+(more of it)
Choosing not to conform to whatever the culture around you is a luxury which America affords, but it does inherently carry the risk of being isolated from your peers. You accept this risk in choosing to be a nonconformist when you have the ability to do otherwise, and such a person has no right to pull the martyr card.
That’s fine.
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@TheUnderdog
1. Each day 12 children die from gun violence in America. · 2. Guns are the leading cause of death among American children and teens. ·
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@FLRW
1. Each day 12 children die from gun violence in America. · 2. Guns are the leading cause of death among American children and teens. ·
That’s because there is not much outside competition because children almost never die from ANYTHING.
But what gun control measure(s) do you support? If none, then there is no point in mentioning that statistic.
100 people die of guns a day and kids make up 23% of the population. Kids are 50% less likely to die from guns than adults.
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@TheUnderdog
In what context?
I could think of many, from circumcision to forced education. You cant even go outside naked because people think it offends their eyes.
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@Swagnarok
The LGBT community has done nothing virtuous to earn our support
Sure they have. They endured 1000 years of your oppression and still remained cool about it.
Plus, they create fun content on YouTube. Thats better than anything veterans have done.
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@Best.Korea
Circumsision to infants should be illegal. Without forced education, technology doesn’t exist. To protest forced education, get off of the internet. The internet is only possible because of forced education.
I should not be forced to see someone’s dick. My consent matters.
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@Best.Korea
Sure they have. They endured 1000 years of your oppression and still remained cool about it.
Nobody has had 1000 years of oppression because nobody has been alive for 1000 years.
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@TheUnderdog
I should not be forced to see someone’s dick. My consent matters.
You dont have to look.
Besides, I could say "I shouldnt be forced to see anyone.".
Does that mean anyone I see violates my consent?
Without forced education, technology doesn’t exist
I am not sure about that, but yeah I guess technology is bad then.
Circumsision to infants should be illegal.
Kinda late now. I am already circumcised. Making it illegal now wont uncircumcise me.
Nobody has had 1000 years of oppression because nobody has been alive for 1000 years.
Okay, then 70 years of oppression with 1000 years of group oppression (groups can live longer than people).
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@TheUnderdog
Also, I forgot to mention vaccines and those who do self harm. People are very upset when someone practices self harm, unless its smoking. Then its cool. But if person cuts himself, for some reason people are upset about it.
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@Best.Korea
Besides, I could say "I shouldnt be forced to see anyone.".
If you believe that, then don’t go to public places.
I am not sure about that, but yeah I guess technology is bad then.
Then done use it. Get off of DART.
Kinda late now. I am already circumcised. Making it illegal now wont uncircumcise me.
The law would protect future infants. Great things happen when people plant trees whose shade they will never sit in, but their kids would.
Okay, then 70 years of oppression with 1000 years of group oppression (groups can live longer than people).
Oppression you are used to is less painful than new oppression.
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@Best.Korea
If someone wants to cut themselves and they are a consenting adult, then that is their choice.
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@TheUnderdog
If you believe that, then don’t go to public places.
Same logic can apply to people's dicks. If you dont want to see people's dicks, dont leave your house. Simple.
Then done use it. Get off of DART.
I can use technology even if it is bad.
The law would protect future infants
So it wouldnt help me unless I am born again.
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@TheUnderdog
If someone wants to cut themselves and they are a consenting adult, then that is their choice.
But plenty of people complain about when someone cuts himself. So I guess they dont believe in body rights.
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@Best.Korea
Sure they have. They endured 1000 years of your oppression and still remained cool about it.
So have public masturbators and people who openly defecate in front of children. What of it?
Point is, there are norms about how to behave, whether those norms are rationally justified or not. And we know that the norms of the Western world contributed to a stable, civilized society which gradually lifted itself out of extreme poverty (they invented the technologies and institutions to do so without outside help), so to say they're unjustified in this case is questionable.
But anyhow, it was always within the power of "gay people" (and nobody was making that a core part of their identity until like 30-40 years ago) to find a member of the opposite sex they found reasonably attractive and shack up with them. And if perchance they were stuck in an arranged marriage with somebody they didn't like, then that was also true of countless straight people at the same time so they weren't special then either.
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@Best.Korea
Plus, they create fun content on YouTube.
I find little that has to do with rainbows flags "fun". And if a YouTuber were genuinely entertaining while they also happened to be gay, then they'd be no less entertaining if they were straight.
Thats better than anything veterans have done.
Was that supposed to be funny?
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@Swagnarok
So have public masturbators and people who openly defecate in front of children. What of it?
Sorry, but you previously mentioned something like
"Hardships which people endure make them deserve our support"
So I gave an example of hardships endured by fags.
And now you run away from your own logic while comparing gay people to sex offenders, which I dont think is same, but I guess you do.
Point is, there are norms about how to behave, whether those norms are rationally justified or not. And we know that the norms of the Western world contributed to a stable, civilized society which gradually lifted itself out of extreme poverty (they invented the technologies and institutions to do so without outside help), so to say they're unjustified in this case is questionable.
Correlation for causation. USA had child marriages legal when it won the civil war. So did it win because of child marriages?
You are committing a classical fallacy of "everything which existed at the time contributed to this specific outcome", but thats a poor logic since gay people existed at the time too.
But anyhow, it was always within the power of "gay people" (and nobody was making that a core part of their identity until like 30-40 years ago) to find a member of the opposite sex they found reasonably attractive and shack up with them. And if perchance they were stuck in an arranged marriage with somebody they didn't like, then that was also true of countless straight people at the same time so they weren't special then either.
Sorry, I was talking about 1000 years of oppression, not last 40 years.
But yeah, even 40 years ago, parents used to kick out gay kids from their homes making them homeless, and before that it was punishable by prison and before even by death.
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@Swagnarok
I find little that has to do with rainbows flags "fun".
There is no I in we.
You said "our support".
Fag youtubers have my support, as they are fun.
And if a YouTuber were genuinely entertaining while they also happened to be gay, then they'd be no less entertaining if they were straight.
I can send you some links to prove you wrong.
Was that supposed to be funny?
Well, I cant judge my own jokes. Other people do that. But yeah, I dont have much respect for veterans who attacked other countries.
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@Best.Korea
Same logic can apply to people's dicks. If you dont want to see people's dicks, dont leave your house. Simple.
Or I can just leave the house while expecting to not see any dicks.
I can use technology even if it is bad.
But if we had the, "kids shouldn't be forced to go to school" policy, then technology doesn't exist to the extent it does now.
So it wouldnt help me unless I am born again.
It wouldn't, but the law still should exist. Circumcising infants should be illegal unless valid medical reason.
But plenty of people complain about when someone cuts himself. So I guess they dont believe in body rights.
That's fair.
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@TheUnderdog
Or I can just leave the house while expecting to not see any dicks.
But I can say too "I can just leave the house while expecting not to see anyone" or "I can just leave the house while expecting not to see anyone with clothes on".
So why is it okay for you to dictate what you will see and prevent other people from doing something just because you would see it, but I dont have same right?
Plus, I was forced to keep my eyes open as a kid, so I was forced to see other people. A terrible violation.
But if we had the, "kids shouldn't be forced to go to school" policy, then technology doesn't exist to the extent it does now.
Then I wouldnt use technology which wouldnt exist.
It wouldn't, but the law still should exist.
I guess it should exist, but I dont see how it would benefit me. Like, unless they come up with some technology to restore dick to the state it would be at if not circumcised, I am pretty much stuck with a circumcised dick, and circumcision is still legal, which means most people still dont respect body rights.
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@Best.Korea
But I can say too "I can just leave the house while expecting not to see anyone" or "I can just leave the house while expecting not to see anyone with clothes on".
If you go outside without expecting to see anyone, then how come you can be outside and others can't be? Being naked in public vs wearing clothes in public aren't equal; clothes are designed to keep us warm and (in extreme situations) so people aren't having sex with whomever due to clothes not being there. You want to see naked people? Then go to PornHub. The rest of us want to see only clothed people.
Plus, I was forced to keep my eyes open as a kid, so I was forced to see other people. A terrible violation.
You can close your eyes if you want too.
Then I wouldnt use technology which wouldn't exist.
So don't benefit off of it now.
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@TheUnderdog
Liberty and guns build toughness.
I'm inclined to believe that the military boot camps, martial arts and athletic training actually builds that.
Does a gun make me tough?
No it actually dampens any toughness I could have by the means I broached.
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@TheUnderdog
If you go outside without expecting to see anyone, then how come you can be outside and others can't be?
Because you set the standard that if you dont consent to see something, it shouldnt be there.
So if you get to be outside and be seen by me without my consent, why cant my dick do the same?
Being naked in public vs wearing clothes in public aren't equal; clothes are designed to keep us warm
How does my clothes keep you warm? And why do you even have a problem with if I am not warm? What if its normal temperature outside, so I am comfortable?
and (in extreme situations) so people aren't having sex with whomever due to clothes not being there.
Really? Now you even want to control who has sex? But sex in public can still be banned even if clothes are not used as well. But you can wear clothes. Like, its not like clothes should be banned.
You want to see naked people? Then go to PornHub. The rest of us want to see only clothed people.
Appeal to popularity = fallacy
Also, same logic applies to you. If you want to see clothes, you can just google clothes.
You can close your eyes if you want too.
Same applies to you, but as a kid, if I closed my eyes, people would force me to open them.
So don't benefit off of it now.
Why not? It exists now, and I never even claimed to be a good person.
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@Best.Korea
So if you get to be outside and be seen by me without my consent, why cant my dick do the same?
Because that’s like forcing someone to watch only fans women. I have no ill will towards onlyfans women. However, people should not be forced to see them or be isolated.
Now you even want to control who has sex?
Nope. I want to control where they do sex. So consensual sex in your bedroom if you want; don’t force others to have to deal with it.
But you can wear clothes. Like, its not like clothes should be banned.
Kids are present and they should not be forced to see your dick. There are 2 types of dic pics; those that don’t get spread (I’ve taken several dic pics that I’ve never sent to anybody) and those that get sent to people without their express permission. The first is totally fine; the 2nd is sexual harassment.
but as a kid, if I closed my eyes, people would force me to open them.
I can’t think of any time when society forces kids to have their eyes open (except for maybe don’t snooze in class, which kids need to learn concepts). Just like it’s not good to snooze in work (which school is prep for). School is preparation for work. You are a worker droid, and worker droids made the iPhone possible. Short term pain brings long term advancement in our society.
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@TheUnderdog
Because that’s like forcing someone to watch only fans women.
I mean, we are all forced to watch people and things when we go outside. The element of force or consent is very much irrelevant in this example.
I want to control where they do sex. So consensual sex in your bedroom if you want; don’t force others to have to deal with it.
What if they have sex outside, but on the land they own, and you happen to see it? Will your eyes be offended then?
Besides, why does it matter where a person is if he is naked. Its his body. Why do you get to control it? You have a choice to look away, and public space is for everyone equally, so if he can tolerate your clothes, then you can tolerate his nudity.
Kids are present and they should not be forced to see your dick.
Well, are people allowed to be naked on their own property? Because anyone can still see you naked even if you are on your property. If a person is naked or has clothes on, people are forced to see him in either case. So why does "force" exactly matter when it comes to seeing people? Besides, people can look away, so not really forced to stare at a naked person.
There are 2 types of dic pics; those that don’t get spread (I’ve taken several dic pics that I’ve never sent to anybody) and those that get sent to people without their express permission. The first is totally fine; the 2nd is sexual harassment.
People take photos of people in public all the time, especially news reporters. Being in public space pretty much means someone will take a photo of you.
Also, you are committing "is=should" fallacy.
I know it would be illegal in most countries to walk around naked. This is more about should it be illegal, but its also about does it violate body rights.
I can’t think of any time when society forces kids to have their eyes open
In school, you pretty much have to have eyes open to learn how to write. Otherwise, you get hit. Well, they used to hit kids when I was going to school. I dont know what they do now. Besides, if your position is that kids cant consent, then whatever they see, they see non-consensually.
(except for maybe don’t snooze in class, which kids need to learn concepts). Just like it’s not good to snooze in work (which school is prep for). School is preparation for work. You are a worker droid, and worker droids made the iPhone possible. Short term pain brings long term advancement in our society
I am not a bee nor a slave. Unless I dont own my body?