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@Barney
If you are town, I can't understand what reasoning you are using. Luna's role has already been confirmed. We both know that a mislynch today will result in a town loss, so there's no noble sacrifice being made here. You basically dared us to vote for you, I did, and then you scum read me. How am I the irrational one here?
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think the team is Barney and Joebob/Savant. will explain when i get out of class
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@Barney
Yes, and he hasn't used it yet. Casey hammered yesterday.
Lunatic was confirmed. Look at the thread again. BK got something like 9999999 votes. 
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Luna is confirmed. My hunch tells me that Austin is town. I doubt that Savant and Austin are the two scum. Savant could just be budding with Austin to appear inno. One of (JoeBob, Barney) is definitely scum if my intuition re: Austin is correct. 
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@Casey_Risk
Lunatic was confirmed. Look at the thread again. BK got something like 9999999 votes. 
I stand corrected!

I was remembering BK being annoyed at you for hammering, but I seems Lunatic did after all. IMO this completely town confirms him.
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Honestly, my leaning is that the scum are Barney and JoeBob. The fact that they both voted for Savant when scum could hammer them is scummy behavior imo. I'm down to vote either of them, but I'll let there be more discussion first. 
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Okay, I just reread page one of this thread and maybe Barney hadn't seen JoeBob's vote. Regardless, my leaning is still towards those two. My break is about to end, I'll be back later. 
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Player            Claim       Description                           Role                 Type                                       NP1          NP2        NP3
Casey_Risk   Urbosa (female pirate/ghost)            Granny            killing/passive                    n/a            n/a
Savant            Purah (fake ID for senior discount)  Bleeder          protective/passive            n/a            n/a
Lunatic          Roham  (the patriarchy)                         King DP2(bk) killing/voting                    n/a            n/a            <-confirmed
Austin             Impa (old woman)                                   Guide              protective/redir./com.    Earth(rb)  Savant   <-confirmed
Joebob          Link (hero)                                                   Soldier  *        protective                            n/a             n/a
Barney            Zelda (damsel in distress).                  Mafia RB         Manipulative                      BK/WF      n/a            <-scummy                


☠️Graveyard☠️
Earth               Revali (bird guy/ghost)                         Cop (2x)           investigative                     RIP
Best.Korea   Mipha (dolphin girl/ghost)                   Doc (2x)          protective                           Earth(rb) RIP
Whiteflame  Daruk (rock guy/ghost)                         NK Magnet     protective                          Auto(rb)    Auto()/RIP


  • Casey, first to claim still gives a lot of credit to me. They do of course have the convenient reason why they never die.
  • Savant, my top pick for behavioral reasons (not the strawman ones he claimed). That his role is limited to night isn't how I remember it working from other games, but there is a lot of custom stuff in this one.
  • Lunatic, IZ TOWN
  • Austin, there is no real point having suspicion on Austin. If we mislynch, him getting a protection right is our only chance. So if anyone is sus of him, look for the scum buddy instead.
  • JoeBob, I'll admit I've looked past him for the very thing I've said we should not do: assume the main character must be innocent in a new hosts game. He is a protective, and we have too many of those; but I would say that throws more likelihood at the others than himself.
  • Barney, I fully admit to being scummy... I guess scum had three role blocks in the first night (I look forward to the end game to know more), and aimed for people they knew could move (much like what I did). That overlap has cost us dearly, and for that you all have my apologies. I should have waited for NP2 to use my ability, but I thought by then I would have been pressured to out it, and once outed scum could have just skipped a kill to frame.
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    To determine to lynch me or not, just ask if I would pull this big of a gambit so early in the game?

Also...

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Alright. Here's why I think Barney is lying, bar an extraordinary coincidence (and if it is, we're doomed anyway). Wallpost incoming.
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Evidence:

I’m the Mafia Roleblocker.
Each night I may target two players to potentially be roleblocked. They are only role blocked if mafia.

I can only roleblock scum
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I targeted  whiteflame and Best.Korea
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Whiteflame and best both reported being roleblocked

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Why Barney is probably just lying:

1. whiteflame is flipped town. Therefore, he was telling the truth about being roleblocked
2. Korea is flipped town. Therefore, he was telling the truth about being roleblocked.
3. No one else got roleblocked. (I checked with Moozer, and he said that my target dying can also cause an unsuccessful action, which is what likely happened)

So far, so good. Take a look at Barney's claim:

4. Barney claims his roleblock ONLY works if he targets scum. He claimed this twice, so no excuses about misreading the role.
5. Neither whiteflame or Korea was scum, yet both were roleblocked.

So two scenarios are possible:

a. Scum also have a double roleblocker, this roleblocker roleblocked the exact same people as Barney did, and they were the actual cause of the roleblock while Barney's actions had no effect.

b. Barney is a scum double roleblocker.

I suppose if you do enough mental gymnastics you can come to the conclusion of a, although I'd love to watch. But b is almost certainly the case here.

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Why did he do this?

First, he needed to kill Earth - an investigative role is incredible utility with several protective roles alive. With whiteflame and Korea being the only claimed protective roles, it's obvious that the only way he would kill Earth is by roleblocking them.

Second, to line up two mislynches. Notice his exact wording:

 either whiteflame or Best.Korea is guilty [and the other isn't] - BARNEY
Under this logic, he could lynch either of them. And when they flipped innocent, he could claim it makes the other scum. Everything went off without a hitch, except he didn't expect whiteflame dying tonight. Notice that if whiteflame was alive, then Barney could conveniently win the game by mislynching him in MYLO.

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Additional evidence

There are however limits. The NK itself is only blocked if I target both scum, otherwise I just block their role power. I do not get told if I hit scum, nor even if my power worked at all.
Barney apparently gets his own role confused. If he only blocks scum, yet he believes that he only hit one scum, why doesn't he see the issue with both whiteflame and Korea being blocked?

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POE

One scum is between Joe and Savant. That leaves Casey, Luna, me, and Barney. Luna is cleared, I'm cleared, and while Casey isn't cleared, I've been generally townreading them. Barney is guilty as sin.



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TLDR:

Barney claims his roleblock only works if he hits scum, yet both whiteflame and Korea were town and got roleblocked. Therefore:

Two scenarios are possible:

a. Scum also have a double roleblocker, this roleblocker roleblocked the exact same people as Barney did, and they were the actual cause of the roleblock while Barney's actions had no effect.

b. Barney is a scum double roleblocker.


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VTL Barney

You had a good run. Maybe your scum partner might have a chance tomorrow, but I think we can figure it out.
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see my case. Barney's scum.
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Vote Count:

Barney (2/4) Savant, Austin
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I’m not gonna vote rn as to avoid a quick hammer, wanna make sure everyone has a chance to catch up before we lynch.

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@Barney
Ngl, Austin is making a lot of sense to me. Combine his arguments with the fact that he put up little resistance to being lynched in a round where we can't afford a mistake, and I'm about a millimeter away from pulling my trigger. What do you have to say in your defense, Mr. B? 
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@AustinL0926
Two scenarios are possible:

a. Scum also have a double roleblocker, this roleblocker roleblocked the exact same people as Barney did, and they were the actual cause of the roleblock while Barney's actions had no effect.

b. Barney is a scum double roleblocker.
Yeah, when you put it this way, I really see no way for Barney to be town.
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@Casey_Risk
Not everyone bothers with desperate pleading. And Austin has only expanded upon the points I’ve already made (oh plus finding out the protective actions could have failed because the target was dead, but that doesn’t make sense, protective roles prevent said deaths).

My own words are we shouldn’t look at Austin, but the way he just acted like all but plagiarizing me is something new and novel, I officially sus him.

Anyway, better to lose with dignity than to start pulling lame stunts. If town wishes to try to find the scum, great; if not then I’ll make town conceding the game to the mafia extra easy…

VTL Barney.
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there is two mafia, the second one being responsible for the night kill could be the explanation for the kill still going through. I mean it doesn’t completely discount Austin’s case against Barney but it’s a factor we have to consider. 

Anyways knowing bk was being a lil troll, I don’t feel good about savant at all. I would rather not lynch Barney right now. The only main case for Barney right now is that scum could quick hammer him already which means scum is already on the wagon or Barney actually is scum. 
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One of either Barney or savant is 100% confirmed or mafia just isn’t online to quick hammer 

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By the way we are at mislynch and lose today. A successful mislynch plus a kill = a complete town loss. Why is everyone so quick to vote rn
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Confirmed scum-*
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@Lunatic
there is two mafia, the second one being responsible for the night kill could be the explanation for the kill still going through
Not sure I follow this. Neither of the people Barney claims to have rbed are scum, so of course the night kill went through.

I would rather not lynch Barney right now. 
He is objectively the most suspicious right now, and he knows it. Not to mention, why would a town player vote themselves when we can't afford a mislynch?
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@Barney
I've seen enough. Barney, you did your best, and your best wasn't good enough. Good try though. 

VTL Barney
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well I think that was 4
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it was savant and casey wasnt it

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GG town lost
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Final Vote Count:

Barney (4/4): Barney, Casey_Risk, Savant, Austin

Barney was… Innocent! 

Lock please, I’ll have the endgame up sometime soon-ish