Posts

Total: 54
ebuc
ebuc's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 4,915
3
2
4
ebuc's avatar
ebuc
3
2
4
-->
@3RU7AL
There can only exist five, and only five,  regular/symmetrical and convex polyhedra of Universe. 

The word Universe includes is ihnerently inclusive of multi-verses scenarios, in that, all are included within catagory of a finite, Uni-verse, via a finite set of Gravitational and Dark Energy lines { vecotors } of interrelationship.


3RU7AL
3RU7AL's avatar
Debates: 3
Posts: 14,582
3
4
9
3RU7AL's avatar
3RU7AL
3
4
9
-->
@ebuc
There can only exist five, and only five,  regular/symmetrical and convex polyhedra of Universe. 
why is this "important" ?
3RU7AL
3RU7AL's avatar
Debates: 3
Posts: 14,582
3
4
9
3RU7AL's avatar
3RU7AL
3
4
9
-->
@ebuc
The word Universe includes is ihnerently inclusive of multi-verses scenarios, in that, all are included within catagory of a finite, Uni-verse
this is more of a DEFINITION and less of an ARGUMENT (for or against something)
ebuc
ebuc's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 4,915
3
2
4
ebuc's avatar
ebuc
3
2
4
-->
@3RU7AL
why is this "important" ?
Huh?  3RU, in your post #1 you made comments and expected fresponses and said nothing about "importance".

So where is the steel man argument you offered in post #1?
ebuc
ebuc's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 4,915
3
2
4
ebuc's avatar
ebuc
3
2
4
-->
@3RU7AL
this is more of a DEFINITION and less of an ARGUMENT (for or against something)
It is definition and argument based on empirical facts . You dont seem to understand both are true. Try again?
MarkWebberFan2
MarkWebberFan2's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 100
1
2
4
MarkWebberFan2's avatar
MarkWebberFan2
1
2
4
Islam mandates death for those imitating the people of lut. If any one person engages in homosexuality, he/she needs to be slain. Ali Ibn Abi Talib, revered icon of Shiism and noted "Lion of Allah", agrees that homosexuality should be punishable by death. His companions describe various methods, one of which includes beheading and/or throwing off the violating kafir off a cliff/building. So long as "islamic matrydom" isn't imposed, deviants can be killed for engaging in acts which Allah has forbid.

Islam clearly disregards life when Allah's rule is deliberately violated.

Make a steelman case why life isn't valuable for the Kafirr and why life is more valuable for the follower of Muhammad/Ali.


Some possible points for you to think on:

1)Muhammad believes that meat rots because the Jews disobeyed Allah and his messengers. Allah has punished the Jews for disobeying so much of Allah's prophets by introducing rot into the world.
2)Musa's real followers are in heaven when Muhammad ascended on the flying donkey called Buraq. Jewish lives don't count in the year 2024. Well they do, only if they're dhimmies.
MarkWebberFan2
MarkWebberFan2's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 100
1
2
4
MarkWebberFan2's avatar
MarkWebberFan2
1
2
4
-->
@3RU7AL
^
I
I
Above

(Draw from your own perspectives just like you did with our initial discussion)
3RU7AL
3RU7AL's avatar
Debates: 3
Posts: 14,582
3
4
9
3RU7AL's avatar
3RU7AL
3
4
9
-->
@ebuc
why is this "important" ?
Huh?  3RU, in your post #1 you made comments and expected fresponses and said nothing about "importance".

So where is the steel man argument you offered in post #1?

i also said "present your best argument"
3RU7AL
3RU7AL's avatar
Debates: 3
Posts: 14,582
3
4
9
3RU7AL's avatar
3RU7AL
3
4
9
-->
@ebuc
It is definition and argument based on empirical facts . You dont seem to understand both are true. Try again?
you don't seem to understand what an argument is
3RU7AL
3RU7AL's avatar
Debates: 3
Posts: 14,582
3
4
9
3RU7AL's avatar
3RU7AL
3
4
9
-->
@MarkWebberFan2
Make a steelman case why life isn't valuable for the Kafirr and why life is more valuable for the follower of Muhammad/Ali.

(IFF) you believe in certain teachings (THEN) you should follow those teachings


it is impossible to create a logical argument (or counter-argument) for religious teachings

because religious teachings are NOT BASED ON LOGIC
MarkWebberFan2
MarkWebberFan2's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 100
1
2
4
MarkWebberFan2's avatar
MarkWebberFan2
1
2
4
-->
@3RU7AL
(IFF) you believe in certain teachings (THEN) you should follow those teachings
Truth is manifested in Allah's teachings as the ultimate end. This is fine for you, but it lacks the original faith that Muhammad intended to introduce. Muhammad also allegedly (though I have yet to confirm) thinks that the world would end soon since he genuinely believed the he was the last prophet. For him, truth is no longer a trivial claim of analytic properties, but rather a manifestation of how kafirs actively disbelieve in his "truth".

it is impossible to create a logical argument (or counter-argument) for religious teachings

because religious teachings are NOT BASED ON LOGIC
Not to muhammad, and his team of Ulamas. The greatest manifestations of mercy is found in Sharia, which extends to all parts of life. Anything the world can't prove (as Ghazali the Mystic said), humanity MUST DEFER TO Muhammad because he was last granted the rightful place of prophesy. More importantly, knowledge within Islam is infinite, and logical contradictions won't affect the truthfulness of their word. 

The knowledge you speak of is known to the west but the islamic world would consider it  a finite understanding of truthfulness. A finite understanding limits its essential "expression" to that of materialism. These aren't my words.

Knowing this, how would you reply to a senior scholar of islam?
(note that the term 'scholar' is vastly different in the west. Ulama scholars directly affect the societies they live in while western scholars are virtually ignored and sometimes laughed at)

3RU7AL
3RU7AL's avatar
Debates: 3
Posts: 14,582
3
4
9
3RU7AL's avatar
3RU7AL
3
4
9
-->
@MarkWebberFan2
More importantly, knowledge within Islam is infinite, and logical contradictions won't affect the truthfulness of their word. 
if you explicitly reject logic

you can't use logic to support your position
3RU7AL
3RU7AL's avatar
Debates: 3
Posts: 14,582
3
4
9
3RU7AL's avatar
3RU7AL
3
4
9
-->
@MarkWebberFan2
Knowing this, how would you reply to a senior scholar of islam?
"i am unconvinced"
MarkWebberFan2
MarkWebberFan2's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 100
1
2
4
MarkWebberFan2's avatar
MarkWebberFan2
1
2
4
-->
@3RU7AL
Interesting. ty.
ebuc
ebuc's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 4,915
3
2
4
ebuc's avatar
ebuc
3
2
4
-->
@3RU7AL
i also said "present your best argument"

1} Again, you said nothing about " importance " in post #1.

2} I already stated that my response is both definitive and agument for a truth.

3} proof and truth is self evident aka proof is in the pudding.

PLease share if you have evidence or argument that invalidates my comment, as presented. 

PLease share if you have any logical, common sense critical thinking that invalidates my definition and argument as presented.


ebuc
ebuc's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 4,915
3
2
4
ebuc's avatar
ebuc
3
2
4
you don't seem to understand what an argument is

I refer you to my post #45.  My arument is that Ive presented fact, truth and argument all in one statement.

You have no argument that invalidates my argument that my comment is valid as presented.
3RU7AL
3RU7AL's avatar
Debates: 3
Posts: 14,582
3
4
9
3RU7AL's avatar
3RU7AL
3
4
9
-->
@ebuc
PLease share if you have evidence or argument that invalidates my comment, as presented. 

your statement is not an ARGUMENT

therefore

there is no, and can be no counter-ARGUMENT
ebuc
ebuc's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 4,915
3
2
4
ebuc's avatar
ebuc
3
2
4
-->
@3RU7AL
your statement is not an ARGUMENT

There is no valid counter argument to the truths I ve presented to you.

Please share when you have a counter argument.  Eternity awaits a valid reply

.....: --) < finite, terminal  beginning and terminal ending > (--: ........


...........here................... < eternity >........................now
3RU7AL
3RU7AL's avatar
Debates: 3
Posts: 14,582
3
4
9
3RU7AL's avatar
3RU7AL
3
4
9
-->
@ebuc
There is no valid counter argument to the truths I ve presented to you.
because you have presented no argument
ebuc
ebuc's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 4,915
3
2
4
ebuc's avatar
ebuc
3
2
4
-->
@3RU7AL
because you have presented no argument
Yes I did or do, argue that my statement is an absolute truth, as presented.

Still waiting in eternity to you provide logical common sense critical thinking and or evidence do invalidate my claims.

..here.......<..........waiting eternally......>........now
3RU7AL
3RU7AL's avatar
Debates: 3
Posts: 14,582
3
4
9
3RU7AL's avatar
3RU7AL
3
4
9
-->
@ebuc
There can only exist five, and only five,  regular/symmetrical and convex polyhedra of Universe. 
who cares ?

is someone arguing with you about this ?

what exactly is the counter-claim ?
ebuc
ebuc's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 4,915
3
2
4
ebuc's avatar
ebuc
3
2
4
-->
@3RU7AL
who cares ?
Not you because you have not logical common sense critical thinking counter argument to any absolute truth. Try again?

is someone arguing with you about this
Obviously not you, because of the above and repeating messages Ive presented clearly.

what exactly is the counter-claim ?
..
..
You have not given any steelman counter claim/argument nor  will you ever offer a valid, logical common sense critical thinking counter claim/argument to an absolute truth.Eternity awaits your steelman counter argument, that, we all know will fail, were you to attempt

...here....<.....eternity.....>.....now





Savant
Savant's avatar
Debates: 23
Posts: 1,999
3
7
6
Savant's avatar
Savant
3
7
6
-->
@3RU7AL
3RU7AL
3RU7AL's avatar
Debates: 3
Posts: 14,582
3
4
9
3RU7AL's avatar
3RU7AL
3
4
9
-->
@Best.Korea
@Savant
Steel-man Best.Korea's argument in this debate:
there are a few ways to attack this

(1) THBT YOU CAN'T CONVINCE ME THAT I'M EVER WRONG

(2) THBT THE OMNISCIENT OMNIPOTENT CREATOR NEVER MAKES MISTAKES

(3) THBT I AM THE VOICE OF THE OMNISCIENT OMNIPOTENT CREATOR