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@Barney
IS this a brand new claim? I can't find anywhere where you claimed this before, just your zelda claim. Can you give role justification and what exactly your role is? I understand you have the ability to block two people and can only block mafia. Both people are claiming to be roleblocked though, chances are one of those was from scum, I am just confused how both wouldn't be scum if you blocked them both, why is only 1 scum? I need you to explain your role so I can understand and get on the same pathway as you.
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@Lunatic
I only just claimed it in that last post, since I realized there wasn’t any point leaving it a mystery how I knew one of those two is scum (mafia would have a good idea my role since one of them was role blocked).
I’m Zelda, for constantly cockblocking Link I am the Cockblocker; each night I block dicks…Kidding of course (one day I should run one of these games to put stuff like that into it)
Princess Zelda of Hyrule. I have the power of Hylia, but I can’t seal stuff with it.
(If I knew the lore better, that would make more sense to me)
I’m the Mafia Roleblocker.
Each night I may target two players to potentially be roleblocked. They are only role blocked if mafia.
There are however limits. The NK itself is only blocked if I target both scum, otherwise I just block their role power. I do not get told if I hit scum, nor even if my power worked at all.
And of course I win with town.
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@Barney
I’m the Mafia Roleblocker.
This sounds so scummy it has to be legit XD
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@Barney
Each night I may target two players to potentially be roleblocked. They are only role blocked if mafia.There are however limits. The NK itself is only blocked if I target both scum, otherwise I just block their role power. I do not get told if I hit scum, nor even if my power worked at all.And of course I win with town.
So if I am guessing correctly they don't BOTH need to be mafia for the roleblock to work, it simply just won't roleblock them at all if they aren't mafia. Since both of these players are claiming roleblocked, and the night kill went through, that is why you think one is near 100% scum?
So let's assume barney's telling the truth.
How could austin have been roleblocked? He redirects negative actions to himself, so either he was roleblocked directly, or was roleblocked protecting earth. The latter makes no sense, why roleblock if they are gonna kill him? So knowing that the whiteflame/BK action came from barney, that means austin was purposefully roleblocked.
This is starting to make sense, and it looks good for town. This does tell us more of what I had already deciphered behaviorally anyway. One of whiteflame or BK is scum. Whiteflame behaviorally feels a bit more town to me, just more his general understanding of the position he's in and willing to get lynched, but not giving up at the same time. He is still arguing frustrating logic with savant and generally appears to be trying to solve the game while factoring in he's a lead. This feels town to me. Not that I don't think scum whiteflame wouldn't put in the effort, just that he wouldn't put in this much effort if it was futile.
My evidence for this is Day Phase 2 of Battlebots: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10712-battlebots-mafia-dp2?page=1
RM guitlies whiteflame pretty early on, and whiteflame tenatively argues that there could be a framer or something, lightly pushes wylted, then after page 4 just dis-appears completely and waits his inevitable lynch. He knew he was screwed there, and really didn't bother putting in that much effort to defend himself. Quite the opposite of this game. I can actually feel his town frustration when he is arguing with austin dp1, and with savant dp2. He totally accepts that he is a POE lynch and the unfortunate circumstances surrounding his guilt. But not once does he appear like he doesn't want to try and solve this game, and leave town with input of where to go after he is lynched. He's effort posting and he has no reason to as scum, especially in light of how broken this set up on paper seems to favor town. I think Whiteflame would have given up much easier, or started to get lazy with his posting. This whiteflame just feels townie to his core.
Which leaves BK, who is playing this game much like how he stated he would play the first go around: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/11093-breath-of-the-wild-mafia-dp1?page=1&post_number=13
I actually town read the effort despite dis-agreeing with a lot of his analysis, but now that post 13 is coming back to haunt me a bit. His interaction with austin this day phase reeks of confidence of having several people town read him dp1, and him thinking he is untouchable here. And he's been trying to lead to narrative quite a bit in the absence of more active players. His logic is consistently not sound though, and now I am getting the feel more that he is pushing for obvious mislynches with the free style voting behavior he has taken this day phase, whilst justifying it by the fact that yesterday went by without a lynch.
Anyways, I am lynching BK. Already submitted before barney came out with this information, but I am increasingly feeling confident this was the right move especially with the barney reveal. Also note, savant probably isn't paired with him unless you buy these players bussing early on. They had a lot of interaction dp1 that felt more natural. I don't like savant logic either for a lot of things, bit I am feeling his town atm.
Joebob could potentially be koreas partner. Not 100# sure on that will have to re-analyze dp3. But BK definitely I could see being scum here.
Alright, so I’m just kind of baffled as to why Barney decided to wait this long to claim with a role that:
a) would have short-circuited a lot of this discussion about the existence of a double RB, and
b) would have restricted the lynch options significantly better if we had known about it.
Well, I guess better late than never. It’s a crazy claim, and I’m not convinced it’s real, but here we are. The die has been cast and we’ll see what happens.
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@Lunatic
Also, just to be clear, Austin’s role failure might have been the result of Earth’s death rather than an RB. It would fail either way.
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@whiteflame
Also, just to be clear, Austin’s role failure might have been the result of Earth’s death rather than an RB. It would fail either way.
True, either way, even less likelihood for third roleblocker, or that the roleblocker was roleblocked
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@whiteflame
Alright, so I’m just kind of baffled as to why Barney decided to wait this long to claim with a role that:a) would have short-circuited a lot of this discussion about the existence of a double RB, andb) would have restricted the lynch options significantly better if we had known about it.Well, I guess better late than never. It’s a crazy claim, and I’m not convinced it’s real, but here we are. The die has been cast and we’ll see what happens.
Honestly I like the claim. It seems to fit with moozers style a bit more, and the fact that he was confused about the justification makes sense to me, I felt that way on a few of the roles from LOTR. It's also why I am kind of buying Austin's role too. The wierder the role, the more easier for me to buy it. Same with yours. Hoenstly another point to why BK's simple role of 2x doctor strikes me as scummy.
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@whiteflame
If you are scum you played a good game. I totally town read you behaviorally. But we will get you next phase if so.
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@Lunatic
I am increasingly feeling confident this was the right move
Well, I guess it was, I got bored of playing anyway.
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@Lunatic
True, either way, even less likelihood for third roleblocker, or that the roleblocker was roleblocked
Might mean I actually get to use my role this NP.
Honestly I like the claim. It seems to fit with moozers style a bit more, and the fact that he was confused about the justification makes sense to me, I felt that way on a few of the roles from LOTR. It's also why I am kind of buying Austin's role too. The wierder the role, the more easier for me to buy it. Same with yours. Hoenstly another point to why BK's simple role of 2x doctor strikes me as scummy.
I don't think Barney would go out of his way to claim this role after you already said you'd submitted your decision to Moozer, and I just don't think he'd risk claiming an RB as scum. Maybe that's a bit WIFOM, but like you, I buy the claim. As for BK's 2X Doc, I did notice that he claimed it after Earth claimed the 2X Cop, so he could have been coasting on that a bit. That being said, there was a Cop, so there being a Doc doesn't seem out of the question, at least insofar as simple roles go.
If you are scum you played a good game. I totally town read you behaviorally. But we will get you next phase if so.
Honestly, at this point, I hope I'm right and scum don't have an RB so I can use my role. With BK as the lynch, I'd just prefer to eat an NK so that we can reduce PoE a bit instead of losing a solidly townread player because I know everyone should have at least some doubts about me.
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@Best.Korea
Well, I guess it was, I got bored of playing anyway.
Sorry to hear that. We will lynch your buddy Joebob quick then so we can move on to the next one
Look at interactions between savant and BK dp1 btw, is my reasoning for clearing savant in the case of scum bk
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@Savant
Now you even get to be in dp3, which is cool I guess. I have to say, you played well here with what you had. Most players would be a lynch in your situation.
Mafia got a little choked by Poe here, but I forgive moozer it’s his first game. GGs all around though
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@Lunatic
We will lynch your buddy Joebob quick then so we can move on to the next one
Actually, my scum partner is Savant, but sure, lynch Joe lmao
Doctor was a good fake claim. I realized that my character is a doctor, and others claimed their roles, so it seemed obvious, even tho it was risky as mod said there is doctor in the game, but based on role claims, I realized there isnt.
But still, I will win this, as you guys only have 2 lynches left, so it doesnt even matter that you got me.
I guess behavioral reads do pay off. Really, if it wasnt for my behavior, I dont see how would you ever even realize that I am scum. By game logic, I was about as town as it gets. But yeah, I overplayed my cards. I should have just kept quiet and let you guys mislynch someone.
Also, I find it funny that Barney totally lied about his role being very confirmable. Even if he role blocked scum, it would still be impossible to tell what actually happened, and no actual way of knowing he is a role blocker for mafia. So yeah, now you have 6 targets to choose from, which is about as bad odds as it gets.
If you think you have won this because you got me, trust me, you are not even close to winning this.
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@Best.Korea
Well, at least you've saved us waiting for Moozer to confirm you're guilty. I don't know why you're continuing to post about how we'll never figure this out - I guess that's a choice.
Regardless, we now know that scum was most definitely given fake character claims. BK's Mipha claim came in well before mine and Earth's, so he clearly knew the character was available before making the claim. From everything he has said so far, I think we can safely say that BK wasn't given the Doctor role as a fake claim, so it's still possible that scum has received two fake character claims.
That being said, Barney has already confirmed himself through the use of his role and Luna will be confirmed as soon as the DP ends. Austin will likely confirm his role during the NP, and though that remains to be seen, I'd say it's unlikely at this point that he's scum. That leaves Casey, me, JoeBob and Savant. I agree with Luna that Savant's behavior with BK doesn't scream "scum team," so I'm not as solid on his lynch given BK's impending flip. Hopefully, I'll die during NP2, reducing PoE a bit so that you guys can narrow this down.
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@whiteflame
The Poe is actually even better than that. I’ll add you as confirmed as well as you were the main mafia mislynch target, Austin is town regardless of confirming his role based on behavior and also his interactions with bk. I’d be willing to reconsider Casey as a lynch target tho
Let’s be honest behavior plays a lot more into Poe here than role confirmation. Bk was big on pushing role confirmation and look what he turned out as. I don’t need every player to be role confirmed for me to be able to investigate if they are guilty or not
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@Best.Korea
Btw BK… what if I told you I was bluffing this whole time? That not only am I not the King role, I’m basically a killer. And I got you to admit you were scum? XD never reveal your affiliation til the fat lady sings!
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@whiteflame
Barney has already confirmed himself through the use of his role
You cannot confirm that he used his role and that mafia didnt just role blocked or faked it, but sure.
and Luna will be confirmed as soon as the DP ends.
Luna dies before next dp.
Austin will likely confirm his role during the NP
And who will he message, exactly? Who is left?
Yeah, I can see this is gonna go wrong for town, but oh well, it would have been even worse if I played right.
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@Lunatic
Let’s be honest behavior plays a lot more into Poe here than role confirmation. Bk was big on pushing role confirmation and look what he turned out as. I don’t need every player to be role confirmed for me to be able to investigate if they are guilty or not
True enough. I suspect I won't be townread behaviorally by everyone, but I do think behavior should be a substantial factor. It's going to be more difficult to use as an indicator with Casey or JoeBob because of their relative inactivity.
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@Lunatic
Btw BK… what if I told you I was bluffing this whole time? That not only am I not the King role, I’m basically a killer.
It doesnt matter lol