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@3RU7AL
On #113
Give me the comment number where I "agreed" to a definition/
definition of "fascism"
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generally the postal system owns the mail service.It is not owned by the public.
the public has meaningful input (buy in) over who runs the postal service and what policies they support
the postal service is managed by the government for the BENEFIT OF CITIZENS
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You don't own a national park.
national parks are managed by the government for the BENEFIT OF CITIZENS
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@3RU7AL
On #114
All you need do is to find an example of a socialist nation state that allowed the veneer of private ownership.
you mean like every single government on earth ?
Not every government is socialist. That is a wild opinion even for you.
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No. Epistemologically you are entirely WRONG.
i'm pretty certain you just demonstrated that you have no idea what "Epistemologically" means
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@3RU7AL
Comment #115
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NO. We are defining "socialist states"
examples of democratic socialist governments
1.Finland
Government Expenditure: 8
Social Progress Index: 3
Average Ranking: 5.5
Finland stands out among OECD countries for its extensive social safety net, allocating 24% of GDP to social protection which is twice the OECD average. While youth inclusion in politics is notable, Finland falls short in government employment diversity, with only 17% aged 18-34. Nonetheless, Finnish citizens exhibit high confidence in their national government (81%) and top the OECD charts in satisfaction with the education system (87%) and trust in the judiciary (81%). It is the most democratic social country in Europe.
Government Expenditure: 8
Social Progress Index: 3
Average Ranking: 5.5
Finland stands out among OECD countries for its extensive social safety net, allocating 24% of GDP to social protection which is twice the OECD average. While youth inclusion in politics is notable, Finland falls short in government employment diversity, with only 17% aged 18-34. Nonetheless, Finnish citizens exhibit high confidence in their national government (81%) and top the OECD charts in satisfaction with the education system (87%) and trust in the judiciary (81%). It is the most democratic social country in Europe.
2. Iceland
Government Expenditure: 14
Social Progress Index: 4
Average Ranking: 9
In 2019, Iceland allocated 43% of its GDP to public expenditure, with 24% of its workforce employed in the general government, the fourth highest among OECD countries. Moreover, it directed 32.7% of its public spending towards employee compensation, the highest in the OECD. Despite this, Iceland ranks poorly in digital governance, occupying the penultimate position in the OECD Digital Government Index, particularly lagging in data accessibility. Conversely, it has the lowest poverty rate in the OECD at 4.9%.
Government Expenditure: 14
Social Progress Index: 4
Average Ranking: 9
In 2019, Iceland allocated 43% of its GDP to public expenditure, with 24% of its workforce employed in the general government, the fourth highest among OECD countries. Moreover, it directed 32.7% of its public spending towards employee compensation, the highest in the OECD. Despite this, Iceland ranks poorly in digital governance, occupying the penultimate position in the OECD Digital Government Index, particularly lagging in data accessibility. Conversely, it has the lowest poverty rate in the OECD at 4.9%.
3. Sweden
Government Expenditure: 15
Social Progress Index: 5
Average Ranking: 10
Sweden’s public sector is highly stable, with government spending at 49.2% of GDP in 2019, primarily allocated to social protection. 28.6% of the workforce is employed in the general government sector. Sweden excels in gender equality as women occupy 55% of senior government roles and 47% of parliamentary seats. However, it lags in digital government, ranking last in the OECD Digital Government Index, particularly in meeting people’s needs.
Government Expenditure: 15
Social Progress Index: 5
Average Ranking: 10
Sweden’s public sector is highly stable, with government spending at 49.2% of GDP in 2019, primarily allocated to social protection. 28.6% of the workforce is employed in the general government sector. Sweden excels in gender equality as women occupy 55% of senior government roles and 47% of parliamentary seats. However, it lags in digital government, ranking last in the OECD Digital Government Index, particularly in meeting people’s needs.
4. Austria
Government Expenditure: 9
Social Progress Index: 11
Average Ranking: 10
Austria exhibits strong performance in key areas of public governance, with high levels of satisfaction with public services, notably in healthcare (81%) and the judiciary (76%). Although trust in public institutions is slightly below average, Austria’s commitment to stakeholder engagement in decision-making (IGI score of 0.51) and ethical AI usage demonstrates dedication to democratic resilience.
5. Belgium
Government Expenditure: 7
Social Progress Index: 13
Average Ranking: 10
In 2021, the country’s public procurement spending was notably high, accounting for 15.2% of its GDP, surpassing the OECD average of 12.9%. Moreover, satisfaction with public services surpasses OECD averages: health care satisfaction stands at 90%, education at 75%, and administrative services at 71%. However, trust in public institutions falls below OECD standards: only 32% trust the national government, 49% trust local government, and 41% trust the civil service, while trust in parliament is at 33%.
It is one of the most egalitarian countries in the world.
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Give me the comment number where I "agreed" to a definition/
On a macro level, a good government serves 100% of the citizens in terms mentioned above. It cannot serve 51% or even 90%. Only 100%. Otherwise it is not operating at a macro level.Government...protects 100% of the citizenry from invasionmanages resources that affect 100% of the citizenrymaintains infrastructure that affects 100% of the citizenrysupports standards that affect 100% of the citizenryenhances mobility of 100% of the citizenry while inhibiting no one.
I AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS DEFINITION OF GOVERNMENT
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@3RU7AL
Since you keep on dodging the issue, I will propose a definition of "socialist state"
The definition comes from a reputable source, rather than some RANDOM OPINION. It is an ACTUAL PUBLISHED document posted by the "World Population Review"
The words used are not written by a "King of Words" or other such childish notions.
If you dispute the definition, respond with a worthy source for such.
Here it is ...
"What is a socialist state?
Broadly speaking, socialism is a political and economic theory that seeks to close the gap between a nation's rich and poor by ensuring that the means of production, distribution, and exchange of goods and services are publicly owned, not privately owned, so that the profits are shared by all, not hoarded by a few rich owners. However, that basic definition encompasses a wide range of real-world variations on socialism. In its purest form, socialism is decidedly progressive. In practice, socialist countries can run the gamut from impressively progressive to staunchly conservative, often hinging upon the level of corruption in the government." (1)
Broadly speaking, socialism is a political and economic theory that seeks to close the gap between a nation's rich and poor by ensuring that the means of production, distribution, and exchange of goods and services are publicly owned, not privately owned, so that the profits are shared by all, not hoarded by a few rich owners. However, that basic definition encompasses a wide range of real-world variations on socialism. In its purest form, socialism is decidedly progressive. In practice, socialist countries can run the gamut from impressively progressive to staunchly conservative, often hinging upon the level of corruption in the government." (1)
In distillation......A socialist state uses the "political and economic theory" of socialism..."ensuring that the means of production, distribution, and exchange of goods and services are publicly owned". ...."often hinging upon the level of corruption in the government." (1)
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that basic definition encompasses a wide range of real-world variations on socialism
In practice, socialist countries can run the gamut from impressively progressive to staunchly conservative
that basic definition encompasses a wide range of real-world variations on socialism
In practice, socialist countries can run the gamut from impressively progressive to staunchly conservative
that basic definition encompasses a wide range of real-world variations on socialism
In practice, socialist countries can run the gamut from impressively progressive to staunchly conservative
that basic definition encompasses a wide range of real-world variations on socialism
In practice, socialist countries can run the gamut from impressively progressive to staunchly conservative
that basic definition encompasses a wide range of real-world variations on socialism
In practice, socialist countries can run the gamut from impressively progressive to staunchly conservative
that basic definition encompasses a wide range of real-world variations on socialism
In practice, socialist countries can run the gamut from impressively progressive to staunchly conservative
that basic definition encompasses a wide range of real-world variations on socialism
In practice, socialist countries can run the gamut from impressively progressive to staunchly conservative
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@3RU7AL
On #125
No. Epistemologically you are entirely WRONG.
i'm pretty certain you just demonstrated that you have no idea what "Epistemologically" means
More "clinical" behavior from you?
The definition of "Epistemology" is ...."the theory of knowledge, especially with regard to its methods, validity, and scope. Epistemology is the investigation of what distinguishes justified belief from opinion" ( per Oxford)
For the intellectually impaired, there are recognized rankings of levels of knowledge. While an opinion could be true; it could also be false. The levels of what are sometimes referred to as "the levels of certainty" are somewhat akin to hypothesis, thesis, and law in science.
Q.E.D.
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@3RU7AL
On #127
I rank the Central Intelligence Agency as more reliable than some random website.
All text in quotes is from the CIA,
Belgium is a"federal parliamentary democracy under a constitutional monarchy. "
"high-income, core EU and eurozone economy; slow but steady growth supported by household consumption and energy shock recovery; high public debt and structural deficits linked to social spending; aging workforce with weak productivity growth and participation rates"
Austria is a "federal parliamentary republic"
"one of the strongest EU and euro economies; diversified trade portfolios and relations; enormous trade economy; Russian energy dependence, but investing in alternative energy; aging labor force but large refugee population; large government debt"
Sweden is a "parliamentary constitutional monarchy"
"high-income, knowledge-based economy; EU member but non-euro user (refuses to peg krona to euro); large welfare state that complements its free-market capitalism; high living standards, environmental protections, income and gender equality"
Iceland is a "unitary parliamentary republic"
"high-income north Atlantic island economy; non-EU member but market integration via European Economic Area (EEA); dominant tourism, fishing, and aluminum industries vulnerable to demand swings and volcanic activity; inflation remains above target rate; barriers to foreign business access and economic diversification"
Finland is a "parliamentary republic"
"high-income, export-based EU and eurozone economy; major timber, metals, engineering, telecom, and electronics industries; emerging from recession triggered by inflation, weak consumer and export demand, and lower private investment; labor market reform plan to address structural rigidities"
Nowhere does the CIA lump these countries as socialist either in government or in economy.
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The definition of "Epistemology" is ...."the theory of knowledge, especially with regard to its methods, validity, and scope. Epistemology is the investigation of what distinguishes justified belief from opinion" ( per Oxford)
and simply because someone is credentialed and published does not magically validate their illogical assertions
if you want to know what christians believe, ask someone who self-identifies as a christian and although they obviously don't speak for all christians, you will probably get a more accurate understanding of the christian worldview than you would from a non-christian
if you want to know what muslims believe, ask someone who self-identifies as a muslim and although they obviously don't speak for all muslims, you will probably get a more accurate understanding of the muslim worldview than you would from a non-muslim
if you want to know what conservatives believe, ask someone who self-identifies as a conservative and although they obviously don't speak for all conservatives, you will probably get a more accurate understanding of the conservative worldview than you would from a non-conservative
if you want to know what liberals believe, ask someone who self-identifies as a liberal and although they obviously don't speak for all liberals, you will probably get a more accurate understanding of the liberal worldview than you would from a non-liberal
if you want to know what atheists believe, ask someone who self-identifies as an atheist and although they obviously don't speak for all atheists, you will probably get a more accurate understanding of the atheist worldview than you would from a non-atheist
i know how much you love and worship the "rich-man" so this might be difficult for you to comprehend
but simply stating that socialism requires 100% state control of everything is patently false
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@3RU7AL
On #130
I offered a definition of "socialist state:. I sourced that definition.
You engaged in an act of repetition of a phrase, bit offed NO COUNTER DEFINITION.
Thus by default we use the definition I put forth.
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I sourced that definition.
Definitions arent proven by sources lol
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this is your own source
do you believe that greenland and iceland and mexico and brazil all qualify as "100% state owned" ?
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You engaged in an act of repetition of a phrase, bit offed NO COUNTER DEFINITION.
i emphasized the portion of YOUR OWN DEFINITION
that clearly
CONTRADICTS YOUR PREMISE
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@Best.Korea
On #135
Please expand on your comment.
I sourced that definition.
Definitions arent proven by sources lol
Oxford is rather well received in academia so it is well accepted and proven.
3ru7al ....."engaged in an act of repetition of a phrase, bit offed NO COUNTER DEFINITION."
Thus, absent a counter, the definition I put forth shall stand.
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@3RU7AL
On #133
and simply because someone is credentialed and published does not magically validate their illogical assertions
List the "illogical assertions" to which you allude. Also it is not magic that validates a published work.
You then proceed with an "argumentum ad populum" giving credence to an individual's definition over a widely accepted definition.
And you think you understand epistemology?
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@3RU7AL
On #136
Kindly show me where you found the statement that
greenland and iceland and mexico and brazil all qualify as "100% state owned" ?
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@3RU7AL
On #137
i emphasized the portion of YOUR OWN DEFINITIONthat clearlyCONTRADICTS YOUR PREMISE
Support your assertion
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Oxford is rather well received in academia so it is well accepted and proven
Definitions arent proven. They are either agreed upon or arent. You cannot prove a definition.
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@Best.Korea
On #142
Definitions arent proven. They are either agreed upon or arent. You cannot prove a definition.
"Axiom, Postulate and definition are self-evident & do not need any proof." ( Verantu)
or
" The reason that a definition can't be proven is that it isn't a mathematical statement. ( Mathematics Stack Exchange)
Are you questioning the definition?
If so, give another more proper definition.
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@3RU7AL
privatization and promoting corporate power is certainly a hallmark of fascism (merging state and corporate power)
You mean to tell me fascist that grow the government so large they can essentially spy on everyone are actually capitalists who support a night's watchman state?
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@WyIted
privatization and promoting corporate power is certainly a hallmark of fascism (merging state and corporate power)You mean to tell me fascist that grow the government so large they can essentially spy on everyone are actually capitalists who support a night's watchman state?
The Great Depression spurred State ownership in Western capitalist countries. Germany was noexception; the last governments of the Weimar Republic took over firms in diverse sectors. Later,the Nazi regime transferred public ownership and public services to the private sector. [[LINK]]
In his book How Fascism Works: The Politics of Us and Them (2018), Jason Stanley defined fascism as "a cult of the leader who promises national restoration in the face of humiliation brought on by supposed communists, Marxists and minorities and immigrants who are supposedly posing a threat to the character and the history of a nation" and that "The leader proposes that only he can solve it and all of his political opponents are enemies or traitors." [[LINK]]
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Support your assertion
YOUR DEFINITION INCLUDES
"that basic definition encompasses a wide range of real-world variations on socialism"
"In practice, socialist countries can run the gamut from impressively progressive to staunchly conservative"
THESE TWO LINES MAKE IT CLEAR THAT YOUR DEFINITION MAKES ROOM FOR A WIDE RANGE OF REAL-WORLD VARIATIONS ON SOCIALISM (CONTRASTED WITH TOTALITARIANISM)
THIS IS NOT A BINARY OPERATION, IT'S A SLIDING SCALE, BECAUSE SOCIALIST COUNTRIES CAN RANGE FROM IMPRESSIVELY PROGRESSIVE TO STAUNCHLY CONSERVATIVE
AND I'M NOT SURE IF YOU UNDERSTAND THAT "IMPRESSIVELY PROGRESSIVE" IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH FASCISM
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Kindly show me where you found the statement thatgreenland and iceland and mexico and brazil all qualify as "100% state owned" ?
FIRST OF ALL, YOU CHANGED A QUESTION INTO A STATEMENT, HERE'S THE FULL POST
this is your own sourcedo you believe that greenland and iceland and mexico and brazil all qualify as "100% state owned" ?
YOUR LINK LISTS GREENLAND AND ICELAND AND MEXICO AND BRAZIL AS "SOCIALIST"
AND YOUR PREMISE, BASED ON YOUR QUOTES FROM "RICH-MAN" CLAIM THAT SOCIALISM DEMANDS 100% STATE OWNERSHIP AND THEREFORE LEADS INEVITABLY TO AND OR IS FUNCTIONALLY INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM TOTALITARIANISM AND FASCISM
SO THE NATURAL QUESTION IS
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT GREENLAND AND ICELAND AND MEXICO AND BRAZIL ARE 100% STATE OWNED AND THEREFORE TOTALITARIAN FASCIST GOVERNMENTS ?
OR, DO YOU BELIEVE THEY ARE NOT SOCIALIST STATES ?
OR, WOULD YOU PERHAPS LIKE TO REFRAME YOUR POSITION ?
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and simply because someone is credentialed and published does not magically validate their illogical assertionsList the "illogical assertions" to which you allude. Also it is not magic that validates a published work.
SOCIALISM IS NOT TOTALITARIANISM
IF I WAS ACTUALLY HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH "RICH-MAN" I'D ASK THEM TO MAKE THEIR DEFINITIONS EXPLICIT
SURE
(IFF) SOCIALISM AND TOTALITARIANISM AND FASCISM ALL HAVE THE SAME DEFINITION (THEN) SOCIALISM = FASCISM
OF COURSE
AS A CONDITIONAL STATEMENT, THIS MUST BE TRUE
BUT THEY DO NOT HAVE THE SAME DEFINITIONS
You then proceed with an "argumentum ad populum" giving credence to an individual's definition over a widely accepted definition.
THE FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT TO SELF-IDENTIFICATION IS NOT AN "ARGUMENTUM AD POPULUM"
IT'S ACTUALLY THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF "ARGUMENTUM AD POPULUM"
And you think you understand epistemology?
THE NUMBER ONE LESSON OF EPISTEMOLOGY IS THAT KNOWLEDGE HAS HARD LIMITS
HUME'S GUILLOTINE
NEVER CONFLATE FACT WITH OPINION
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@3RU7AL
I will see if I can find an audio book of that
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@3RU7AL
the rule of elitesseems to be in direct conflictwith "cultural liberalism"
We currently have rule by the elite. What is wrong with a populist being the fist of the people so the elite are supplanted?