Breath of the Wild Mafia DP1

Honestly, I don’t mean to come off meanly or with hostility. That wasn’t my aim, so I apologize if that’s how it came through - I think I’ve gotten too used to responding to Austin in this way. Like you said, I suspect we’ll be revisiting this in DP2, and I’d rather just leave off here as well on good terms.

No worries. We can revisit this in the next day phase.

Okay, 500 posts. Wow

I think this is more than enough for anyone who wants to read behavior. Lots of us have put lots of effort into this. For me, this is probably the most effort I ever used in mafia game.

We still need to hear from Lunatic and see his opinion. It would also be good to hear from casey. I dont know if anyone else didnt post latest opinion.

I only have a few minutes here for now, but I would like to point out again that I claimed Urbosa right away, before anyone else claimed anything. If I'm scum, then I'm scum who got an incredibly lucky early claim that no one cc'ed. 

Casey is town. Lynch someone else.

VTL Austin for role claim. I will not vote for either Casey (ever, unless I see something substantial), or Savant today. 

My role is confirmable, but fine I guess. Since I serve as an advisor and protector to Link, I am the Guide (I asked Moozer where he got that role from, he said he made it up himself from some other roles). Each night, I can message with another user for the duration of the night. In addition, any negative actions performed on them will be redirected to me. (this does not include mafia kills, according to Moozer, hence my early clarification).

Anyway, the messaging aspect is why I repeatedly stated my role is very confirmable. I'm fine with any likely town-confirmed player requesting me to visit them tonight.

If you're not going to go for Casey or Savant, then who do you want to lynch today?

Also smh y'all need to learn what "confirmable" is. Luna's role is confirmable. Literally no one else's role so far is confirmable, although BK gets away with it through setup analysis and mod psyche.

Alright, I’m turning in. Remember, you guys need a lynch by 8 o’clock PDT tommorow, or it’s no lynch.

hmm

What are your thoughts, Lunatic? Are you still planning on using your power this DP?

I suggest you use that power on Earth, so he doesnt get role blocked.

If scum has redirect, they can redirect people to casey, which is bad.

This is A LOT of protective roles.

It's basically guaranteed one of them is a scum:

I don't believe any host would put that combo into the game.

It does seem like an overpowered combo.

Yeah, I am just also not sure if scum would die too if he used redirect on casey.

It seems that we cant agree on who is a lynch.

However, the 5 of us are most likely town. I am including Barney because he guaranteed to confirm himself by dp3, and Austin because he has to confirm himself by dp2 or he is lynch.

So opinion of 5 of us should matter more on the issue. I dont mean to exclude anyone, but 50% of the remaining 4 players are most likely scum.

I was thinking that casey is scum, but now that I think of it, I didnt include that Austin also has somewhat protective role.

So... 5 protective roles in game...

This comes after mod was warned about having 3 protective roles.

So if he was told that 3 protective roles is too much, why would he increase it to 5?

Or even to 4?

I think its very likely there are 2 scums among 5 protective roles. Its not  me. Its not Austin by what we know so far.

So who remains is whiteflame, joe, and Savant.

There must be at least 1 scum among them, but I think there are most likely 2.

So if casey isnt lynch, then we must lynch whiteflame.

So, give your opinion on who would you rather lynch: casey or whiteflame?

My vote stays where it is on Casey. I don't understand Earth's insistence that Casey is town with zero justification. Earth hasn't acted super pro-town up to this point, despite being a likely town member, so I'm not sure why I should just buy whatever he says. I could see a case for maybe lynching whiteflame in dp2, but not today.

You have somewhat convinced me that whiteflame is a solid lynch. I am fine with lynching him or casey this dp. I dont think Joe can be scum, so two scums are most likely whiteflame and savant.

First off, you have nothing to lose by giving me a NP to use my role. If I fail, as I very well may even if I’m not RB’d, then kill me next DP. There are several other people here who are absolutely useless to town now that they’ve full claimed, but I guess if you want to reduce the number of targets scum has to manipulate this NP to get their NK off, be my guest.

Second, of all the plausible scum pairings, why would you pick me and Savant? I’ve actively scumread Savant over much of this DP even as everyone else has written him off as a lynch this DP. I have bussed my scum partner before, but I’ve never tried to start a wagon on my scum partner, especially when there was active disinterest in the pursuit.

Well, I agree that casey's role is harmful for town, but between you and casey, its a difficult choice to make.

It is possible that casey and Savant are scum, but that would mean town was given 4 protective roles. I find that very difficult to believe. Same goes for casey and joe.

I dont think its possible that joe and savant are scum, since joe has almost lynched Savant on purpose, when Savant wasnt even in that much danger before Joe went after him.

That leaves these possibilities:

You and Savant.

You and Joe.

I dont really think you and casey are scum, since I think town has 3 protective roles, not 4.

As for not having anything to lose, we do have something to lose. If scum gets lynched in dp1, not only do we prevent them from using their role, but we find out what their role is for dp2.

So yeah, I find it very hard to believe that casey is scum, because that would mean mod gave 4 protective roles to town, and one of the claimed 5 protective roles is scum. I mean, I know this mod is new, but I am just not convinced that he gave town 4 protective roles.

So yeah, we can lynch you or casey, and sure, we have more to lose if you are town, and its a difficult decision to make mostly because of casey's behavior. By game's logic, you are most likely scum, its just that casey posting excuses instead of reads and being inactive (less than 20 posts out of over 500, less than 4%) makes her somewhat a policy lynch. So yeah, if we are lynching casey, its mostly due to her behavior, and if we are lynching you, its mostly due to game logic which just doesnt happen to make you even 50% town.

Damn. 21 minutes? I completely lost track of time on this DP.

Don't think we're going to wrangle a lynch at this point and I doubt Luna will pop on before the end of the DP to unilaterally decide it. If people are around and want to make a call at this point, let's make it. Otherwise we let this lapse without a lynch and hope for the best.

As for what you just posted, I honestly don't understand the logic. I understand that there almost certainly are not 5 protective roles in the game. I understand that PoE puts me in the potential scum pool. I don't understand how PoE or anything Austin has said makes me scummy, and frankly, I don't think we can write off Austin as scum just because he has a role that allows him to send messages to others even after he confirms it. I also don't really know why you're writing off Barney at this point. Just because he's claimed a main character and stated that he can eventually confirm himself doesn't mean that he already has.

So, yeah, I'll VTL Savant since he's the only person I'm actively scumreading at this point. Doesn't seem like a lynch is happening anyway.

If you come online, you can lynch and then you can confirm yourself. Otherwise, its a no lynch this dp.