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@cristo71
Once again, thank you.
I actually thought you were trying to say that European invaders were morally justified, but even you know thats not true.
People say America is built on stolen land
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@Best.Korea
Please explain how territory is defended purely via moral justification.
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@cristo71
Please explain how territory is defended purely via moral justification.
I dont need to, as I never even claimed that lol
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@Best.Korea
You claimed the relevance of moral justification when it comes to seizing or holding territory. How is moral justification relevant to the efficacy of holding or acquiring territories historically?
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@cristo71
You claimed the relevance of moral justification when it comes to seizing or holding territory.
No, I dont remember claiming that moral justification is necessary to claim the land.
Can you link where I claimed that, so that I can remember?
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@Best.Korea
In your post 57, you claimed (without real basis actually) that moral justification is the only relevant aspect of territory disputes. How is this so?
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@cristo71
In your post 57, you claimed (without real basis actually) that moral justification is the only relevant aspect of territory disputes. How is this so?
My post 57:
"Oh, so your argument is irrelevant to the topic of if European invaders were morally justified.
I love when people refute themselves. This was fun. Do it again sometimes."
No, I dont see where in my post does it say that.
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@Best.Korea
When I discussed something other than moral justification, you said it was irrelevant to the topic of this thread, which is about the historical territorial dispute between the Native American populations and European settlers. In effect, you are saying that moral justification is the only relevant aspect of this topic.
I ask again (only expecting a Whopper, really): how is this so?
I ask again (only expecting a Whopper, really): how is this so?
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@cristo71
you said it was irrelevant to the topic of this thread
Well, I do like when people put words in my mouth.
Can you show me where I said
"it was irrelevant to the topic of this thread"?
Go ahead, show me where I said that, because looks like I dont remember.
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@Best.Korea
So my posts have been relevant to the thread topic?
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@cristo71
I wouldnt know and dont care. Its just important to me that you concede that European invaders were morally unjustified to eradicate 99% of native Americans.
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@cristo71
lol
BK "How dare you justify GEENNNNOOOCIDE"
Cristo "I didn't"
BK "Who cares what you actually said"
BTW we just had a thread where European humans and diseases from the world island were confused and I corrected the misinformed.
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@Best.Korea
No concession on my part has been offered or is necessary as I was never arguing that it was morally justified in the first place. That was YOU putting words in MY mouth.
This would be my argument on the subject of moral justification in territorial disputes:
P1: Moral justification in territorial disputes is irrelevant if no nation is completely morally justified historically being situated where it is currently.
P2: No nation is completely morally justified historically being situated where it is currently.
C: Moral justification in territorial disputes is irrelevant.
It’s really just Savant’s post 13 in syllogistic form. Note that no one even attempted to answer his question.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I totally owned BK on the paper vs tomahawk debate.
Whopper
670 calories
$8.19
670 calories
$8.19
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@cristo71
I was never arguing that it was morally justified in the first place
My bad. I thought you were arguing how it was morally justified for white European invaders to eradicate 99% of native Americans. But now when you say it wasnt morally justified, I guess we agree.
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@Greyparrot
I totally owned BK on the paper vs tomahawk debate.
Sure you did. Cookie for you!
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@ADreamOfLiberty
BK "How dare you justify GEENNNNOOOCIDE"
So you concede it was genocide?
I guess we are all making moral progress here except Greyparrot.
As if he has any cookies to give away, nobody has any cookies in communism.
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@Best.Korea
Sorry, after consuming 670 calories, it's immoral to follow your logic.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
As if he has any cookies to give away, nobody has any cookies in communism
Its an imaginary cookie.
Parrot gets the cookie while the rest of us gain an increase in our morality.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
As if he has any cookies to give away, nobody has any cookies in communism.
Probably not, but they do offer a delightful cracker:
I think after seeing how you guys ran away from defending your white ancestors as morally justified, your white ancestors are now looking and saying:
"Look at our people, they are running away. A shameful display."
History ceases to be relevant after 300 years. It doesn't count anymore.
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@sadolite
Strongly disagree. Context is changing, the subject matter is hyper complex. All data is useful.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Disagree all you want, every country that has existed or currently exists is stolen land. The title of this thread implies some aren't.
It is and I'm proud of that fact.
It's the same claim Russia does over Ukraine.
What should the US do about it? Give the land back? Native Americans are either almost inexistent or are fully integrated to the American culture.