Why even though I affiliate with neither, I prefer the left to the right

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I did change a lot since I first got on DART.  When I first got on here, I was a conservative.  Now, I don't affiliate with any party, but I respect the left more than the right simply because they have a consistent ethos that they stick by even when it's not convenient (being anti unwanted pain).  ALL of their beliefs are designed to reduce unwanted pain.  They want legal abortion because it prevents unwanted maternal pain (late term abortions produce pain unless you give the fetus painkillers, which is done in states that legalized abortion until the moment of birth).  They want to ban AR 15s because of the pain inflicted on by mass shootings; they want to abolish ICE because of the pain from deportations.  They want to stop anti Semitic hate crimes that happen to Hasidic Jewish individuals; this is despite 83% of Hasidic voters or so voting for Trump in 2020.  The left is consistently anti unwanted pain even to groups that don't return the favor with votes.

The right on the other hand, has no consistent ethos. 

They stand for "tradition" (a euphemism for the status quo) until it's Roe V Wade (a 50 year old American tradition that their party got rid of). 

Or they stand for, "life" (unless it's universal healthcare). 

Or they stand for, "victimless liberties" (honestly my moral code) unless it's undocumented immigration, weed, or Qualified immunity. 

Or they stand for, "Law and Order" unless the law calls for repealing the 1st amendment, the 2nd amendment (which lets be realistic; if Trump acted tyrannical in a way that benefitted the right, then they wouldn't take up arms about it) or if the law mandated COVID updated boosters, then these people would be calling the government tyrannical. 

Or they stand for western civilization, until Andrew Tate trashes the west for being woke, then they hate western civilization (western civilization is very left wing compared to Latin America or the deep dark Sahara).

You can't advocate for, "freedom" and, "law and order" at the same time; the whole point of the law is to take away liberty in the pursuit of some form of safety (whether it's safety from death, pain, or inferiority[example: we force kids to do to school to save them from being inferior versions of themselves]).

I can respect the left even though I don't always agree; this is not nearly as true for the right.
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I prefer the centre.

And Andrew Tate is one of those not particularly handsome guys, who nonetheless is able to inspire a sycophantic following of numbskulls.

They turn up from time to time and eventually die.

And the Universe steadily plods on.
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Wouldnt you say that the right is a set of beliefs, as opposed to having one standard?
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numskulls...

Gossip is easy, doing actual things is difficult.
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Yes, Tate is also associated with right-wing and far-right ideologies and has ties to the far-right, including British activist Tommy Robinson.
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I prefer the centre.
That's fine, but how do you define the center?  What center in my country (USA) is often far right in yours (UK).
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Yes, Tate is also associated with right-wing and far-right ideologies
He has a few left wing (Andrew) Takes.  Like, he would be willing to have sex with a woman who has a dick.
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Wouldnt you say that the right is a set of beliefs, as opposed to having one standard?
But what defines the right's set of beliefs like as a moral code?  If you don't have a moral code and aren't an independent, then how does the right consistently oppose the left in all issues that are controversial?  Are they closet sadists?
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Are they closet sadists?
Yes.

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I prefer the left to the right
There ya go, you lean left.

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I wouldn't say that.  It's kind of like how I prefer someone who is Jewish that takes their religion super seriously over someone who is Jewish that eats pork and doesn't take their religion at all seriously.  The former actually believes in what they say they do; the ladder is just a bandwagoner.  I'm not religious, but I respect people that have values and stick to them over bandwagoners.  I'm not a leftist (although I agree with the left 50.6% of the time (OTI - Google Sheets) but this is akin to calling Georgia a blue state in 2020; Georgia barely went for Biden in 2020).  Leaning left/right is agreeing with the left/right between 60% and 67% of the time.  Far left and far right are 80% or higher.  Standard left/right is between 67% and 80%.  I'm really in the center.

I can respect the left for having a consistent ethos; I can't say this about the right.  Just like how Kyle Kulinski respects Rand Paul for having a consistent ethos, but doesn't respect the corporate dems (even though he agrees with the corporate dems more).
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that is just left-leaning centrism with extra steps if I read you correctly.
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If you want to call it that, then that's understandable.  Although I'm 2 issues away out of 72 from being a right-leaning centrist.

It's just ever since I became political, I've always seen myself as right wing, so I might have to do some self reflection on that.
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well to be fair there is too much labeling in the political scene and it pains me that in order to gain support you ought to perpetuate that because americans are morons.

Maybe that is why I chose physics, a field where labeling actually makes sense, than political science.
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well to be fair there is too much labeling in the political scene and it pains me that in order to gain support you ought to perpetuate that because americans are morons.
This is true, but unfortunately, if I run for POTUS, then II have to pick a party.

Maybe that is why I chose physics, a field where labeling actually makes sense, than political science.
I think it's stupid to major in poly sci.  I majored in Actuarial math.
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What even are the job prospects for poli sci? Lawyers? Politicians?
Ehh, I would go with the lawyer path if I am forced on the path to begin with. 
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They stand for "tradition"
I agree with this. Prostitution is very traditional and I am in favor of it but conservatives are retarded and rally against it
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Well Trump doesn't rally against it.
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That's why he's #MyPresident
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Yes, Hope Hicks previously offered more detail on the October 8 call with Trump and Cohen. During her June testimony, she said the call was about rumors she’d heard about “a tape involving Mr. Trump in Moscow with, you know—can I say this?…with Russian hookers, participating in some lewd activities.” Hicks explained that she “wanted to make sure that I stayed on top of it before it developed any further, to try to contain it from spiraling out of control.” She said she had heard that the gossip site TMZ might have “access to this tape,” and she knew Cohen was friendly with TMZ founder Harvey Levin.
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When trump is back he will guarantee Russian hookers and vodka for every American patriot like myself. Love him!
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Do you support Roe V Wade?  That was an American tradition for 50 years.
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No cause I dont give a fuck about tradition. Some can die, some should stay
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Alright, so then what makes you a republican?
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I dont think I said I was
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Your profile says you are a conservative.  This is synonymous with a republican.
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If you say so
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The centre is defined by people who generally go Hmmmmmmm maybe this, maybe not.

The left and the right, don't generally go Hmmmmmmmm.
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See above.


Tate and Tommy

Tommy and Tate.

Blah Blah Blah.
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I do try and think about issues before stating them instead of just cheering for a party.