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@ILikePie5
That’s fine, you’re entitled to your opinion but what are your thoughts on his role?
Haven't seen a role claim yet from where I am caught up on
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@whiteflame
What happened? What did he say?
He said I wouldnt get to see until I died.
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@JoeBob
Lets say tonight I tracked you. When I die im guessing it would look something like this:NP1: ILikePie5 tracked/visited so and so.and then NP2 would do the same and so forth.
Why are you still guessing? Have you still not asked Austin this?
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@ILikePie5
Why are you still guessing? Have you still not asked Austin this?
I asked wether I get to see who they tracked that night. I'll ask now.
Ok so I'm at page 4 and there is a lot to dissect here so I am going to make a whole separate post about it versus replying to every little thing
What’s interesting is that the board is an 8x8. Excluding one person, each player can have a rank or a file assigned to them. Just a shower thought
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@ILikePie5
What’s interesting is that the board is an 8x8. Excluding one person, each player can have a rank or a file assigned to them. Just a shower thought
But thats just a theory, a game theory.
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@JoeBob
Lets say tonight I tracked you. When I die im guessing it would look something like this:NP1: ILikePie5 tracked/visited so and so.and then NP2 would do the same and so forth.
I echo Pie's sentiment. There shouldn't be any guessing at this stage. How will this information be delivered? Will Austin simply broadcast it or will it be sent to a certain player in a PM?
He said I wouldnt get to see until I died.
So, again, you're a Tracker who wouldn't get any information, meaning you're only useful once you've successfully targeted people during the NP and died. Alright. That means that scum, at least after this NP (NP1 you'd arguably have some value, since then you couldn't deliver info to town), have negative utility in using their NK on you since you'd provide info to town. That sounds like a pretty good excuse for surviving every NP going beyond NP1, though I'd say your value to town is negligible considering that it's always going to be one NP behind (i.e. if we lynch you DP2, we'll get info from NP1 in DP3).
If you survive NP1, then town has a valid reason to lynch you so long as there is not a common target of suspicion: you can provide info to town, delayed as it is. So you would become our default lynch in the absence of a better choice.
Does that sum it up?
So here is what I will address ...
1. The hard push from Pie on JoeBob. To be clear I am still think this behavior is relatively an outlier for Pie. Especially for something as minuet as grammar structure. Pie can be harsh on a push and that is usually for some behavioral aspect. Which makes me think there is a few reasons as to why Pie is doing this. Please quote me if mod specified if any of these are wrong lol
A. Pie is town and is just playing a lot more aggressive than usual - honestly could see it. Salt from last game taking over lol
B. Pie is scum and is being a lot more aggressive this time than he was in the last game - could see it but I am not sure if it is viable. It could throw off some people because of how much of a deviation it is.
I read the OP and it said it was 7v2 layout so my option C I typed was invalid which was Pie was 3p lyncher
I read the OP and it said it was 7v2 layout so my option C I typed was invalid which was Pie was 3p lyncher
2. The Tracker??? Claim (he said Flipping but described a regular tracker). For what I looked up with Algebraic Notation, it seems like it's just describing how the pieces move to certain tiles, which makes sense for a tracker claim. You have to realize this game won't have as obvious of theme connections as a game like Invincible or other games like that. It will be pretty vague and honestly this works to a degree. There was also no indication in the DP that scum were given role hints, but that's not ruling out that they could've and austin didn't tell us.
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@JoeBob
But thats just a theory, a game theory.
Ik, its just a shower thought
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@Vader
There was also no indication in the DP that scum were given role hints, but that's not ruling out that they could've and austin didn't tell us.
Austin said they weren’t given fake claims.
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@whiteflame
I have asked 2 questions and waiting for a response. I will put all of my role information together in one post.
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@ILikePie5
Ik, its just a shower thought
it was a youtube reference.
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@ILikePie5
Role hints. I mean what Luna gave us in our game that it was Doctor or Cop in the game. But since he didn't specify in OP I don't think he did
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@whiteflame
So, again, you're a Tracker who wouldn't get any information, meaning you're only useful once you've successfully targeted people during the NP and died. Alright. That means that scum, at least after this NP (NP1 you'd arguably have some value, since then you couldn't deliver info to town), have negative utility in using their NK on you since you'd provide info to town. That sounds like a pretty good excuse for surviving every NP going beyond NP1, though I'd say your value to town is negligible considering that it's always going to be one NP behind (i.e. if we lynch you DP2, we'll get info from NP1 in DP3).If you survive NP1, then town has a valid reason to lynch you so long as there is not a common target of suspicion: you can provide info to town, delayed as it is. So you would become our default lynch in the absence of a better choice.Does that sum it up?
There’s no reason for scum to kill him. If he’s town then his results are delayed anyways. Let’s assume for sake of argument we lynch a townie today and NK is success. It becomes 5-2. We’d only be able to lynch JoeBob and it would be 3-2 LYLO with one result assuming he’s telling the truth. It makes no sense. One night’s worth of results for getting himself lynched? I don’t like it at all. I’m fine lynching him today
Tomorrow I want Barney to claim first. Not going to let him continue to not be present
Earth has also gone AWOL again
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@Earth
@Lunatic
@Vader
@whiteflame
@Moozer325
Wasting 1/3 possible town lynches just to get results makes no sense when that’s town’s strongest power. Joe is definitely scum. Let’s lynch him
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@ILikePie5
Suffice it to say that I'd like to get JoeBob's full story before pursuing a lynch. If he pushes it out too far, I'm willing to move forward without that information.
Alright I think I'm essentially caught up with everything and I am going to dissern some of my analysis. After this I'll probably be out for a couple hours. Doing a drug test for my internship + going to the gym + picking up my Mothers Day present, so I will be pretty busy but here are my things I noticed
JoeBob - I will say that JoeBob has acted differently than I normally see him act as town. He really isn't making a defense against Pie but instead is making psuedo reads and trying to draw some sort of pity from the town because of how hard Pie is pushing him. He's pointing out small chunks of Pie's main claim (which I will clarify I am not still 100% sold on with this grammar) and running with that to try and defend. To me it seems like he is responding to what benefits his defense versus responding to what fully Pie says. Then his character draws some suspicion. The two claimed are things you physically see on a chess board versus things that you "hypothetically" see on a chess board. I'm very hesistant to say that's the theme split, given with 3 character claims, but that would seem to align with my char.
Pie - I've stated my thoughts about Pie that I think he is being a bit overaggressive with his JoeBob push, and how I think that analyzing grammar is a forum game where the odds that someone doesn't use some form of past vs present correctly is high is a bit nit-picky and just seems to fish for some type of lynch, hence why I originally was thinking he was a 3P lyncher until that got disproven. I think the drastic shift in his aggressiveness can be seen as either A) he's town because he's being more aggressive with his lynch trains that he would as scum or B) he's scum because he's trying to deviate so hard from his last scum game to throw off town that they have to read him town for his aggressiveness. Pie would be the person to do B and if he remains alive I think suspicion should be drawn but I'm leaning more toward A
Whiteflame - Feels like his reads are town. Pulling out older games to look and bring the "devils advocate" out makes me believe he's more town. I think he's making the reads on everyone and giving relative town insight on this game for the most part. Trying to get actives to play, etc. Haven't really seen anything that deviates from how whiteflame plays. Looking for scum and analyzing theme is his usually town play. My only batshit theory that is likely not true is that JoeBob and him colluded to find their game they were scum together and make a defense about JoeBob being maticulate about that post, but even then I highly doubt that is the case because if one turns, then it forces a lot of pressure onto the other.
Pie - I've stated my thoughts about Pie that I think he is being a bit overaggressive with his JoeBob push, and how I think that analyzing grammar is a forum game where the odds that someone doesn't use some form of past vs present correctly is high is a bit nit-picky and just seems to fish for some type of lynch, hence why I originally was thinking he was a 3P lyncher until that got disproven. I think the drastic shift in his aggressiveness can be seen as either A) he's town because he's being more aggressive with his lynch trains that he would as scum or B) he's scum because he's trying to deviate so hard from his last scum game to throw off town that they have to read him town for his aggressiveness. Pie would be the person to do B and if he remains alive I think suspicion should be drawn but I'm leaning more toward A
Whiteflame - Feels like his reads are town. Pulling out older games to look and bring the "devils advocate" out makes me believe he's more town. I think he's making the reads on everyone and giving relative town insight on this game for the most part. Trying to get actives to play, etc. Haven't really seen anything that deviates from how whiteflame plays. Looking for scum and analyzing theme is his usually town play. My only batshit theory that is likely not true is that JoeBob and him colluded to find their game they were scum together and make a defense about JoeBob being maticulate about that post, but even then I highly doubt that is the case because if one turns, then it forces a lot of pressure onto the other.
Savant - I am not as gun hoe on policy lynching Miller's, but I would also like to know the connection between a pawn and miller. I also haven't seen enough of a behavior analysis to see if Savant
Moozer is likely town IMO. Seems like noob-ish thing to do is claim a character first. He also is implied to have some sort of protective role at first, so unless it get's CC'd, it just comes off as Moozer is noob town
Everyone else is likely null
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@Vader
Said this to a few others, I will repeat it here. The pawn has more to do with my other role, Miller is just an add-on and I didn't see a direct justification for it in the PM. Only thing I can think of is that the pawn is a weak piece and being a Miller makes the role weaker.
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@Vader
@Savant
Can we lynch JoeBob please
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@ILikePie5
I still need to analyze other behaviors first and we still have a lot of time left too. No need to rush into anything without input from some other people as well
VOTECOUNT:
Joebob (1/5): Pie
Theme, flavor, or just drama? It remains to be seen...
I think we should keep JoeBob alive. I buy his role claim and he outted his character claim fast enough. If nothing else, we can lynch him DP2.
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@Earth
I think we should keep JoeBob alive. I buy his role claim and he outted his character claim fast enough. If nothing else, we can lynch him DP2.
What do you buy about it? Can you explain how the role works? Why does him outting his character fast matter?
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@Barney
@Moozer325
Activity ping
Ok I am the flipped tracker. Every night I can choose someone to track. I can not see who that person visited until I die. Everyone can see the results if/when I die. I am algebraic notation, the moves we use to say what piece went where.
When I die, the list will look like this:
JoeBob's Notation Sheet // N1: Player A visits Player B // N2: Player C visits no one // N3: no moves notated
Let me know if I missed anything.
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@JoeBob
So, again, is Austin just going to post that list publicly if/when you die (i.e. at the start of the DP after you are killed)?
Honestly, this is just the oddest combination of roles. It's like a heavily nerfed Tracker where the results may end up being entirely useless due to the delays built into getting that information and making it publicly available. The only benefit I can see to having the role be restricted in this way is that it makes you negative utility for scum to NK, but the role seems tailor-made to be a lynch target. Sincerely, if this is a fake claim scum came up with, it's one of the oddest choices I've ever seen because you are basically forcing us to consider you as our lynch in any future DP just to get some additional information, and the fact that you're unverifiable until you die effectively puts you at or near the top of everyone's scum pile. And if this is something Austin came up with, then I sincerely feel for you because you'd be sussed regardless of what you did.
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@whiteflame
So, again, is Austin just going to post that list publicly if/when you die (i.e. at the start of the DP after you are killed)?Honestly, this is just the oddest combination of roles. It's like a heavily nerfed Tracker where the results may end up being entirely useless due to the delays built into getting that information and making it publicly available. The only benefit I can see to having the role be restricted in this way is that it makes you negative utility for scum to NK, but the role seems tailor-made to be a lynch target. Sincerely, if this is a fake claim scum came up with, it's one of the oddest choices I've ever seen because you are basically forcing us to consider you as our lynch in any future DP just to get some additional information, and the fact that you're unverifiable until you die effectively puts you at or near the top of everyone's scum pile. And if this is something Austin came up with, then I sincerely feel for you because you'd be sussed regardless of what you did.
I’d be willing to bet scum are half telling the truth about the mechanics after death. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s the scum tracker or has a role where he can see who (via proxy of notation) visited who every night. The odds of mislynching are 7/9 which is around 78%. Assuming we mislynch there’s a 1/8 (12.5%) chance that Joe correctly tracks the NK. For a 12.5% chance we have to lynch a townie? It doesn’t make mathematical sense?