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Atheism is nonsensical because:

a) It is practically non-existent. Everyone has gods, they just don't know it.
b) By definition falsifiable by the evidence. There are myriads of gods.
c) Specifically unscientific. God (supernatural) can't be tested.
d) Atheism is really either just apathetic irreligion or sociopolitical frustration of a militant minority.

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a) It is practically non-existent. Everyone has gods, they just don't know it.
can those gods help me complete the battle pass
c) Specifically unscientific. God (supernatural) can't be tested.
Makes no sense.
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Atheism is what it is.

A term generally used to define the non adherence to popular deistic/theistic ideologies..

Though as ever, if one deconstructs the idea and expands upon definition, then the loose adherence to any social idea could be regarded as being theistic.

So in terms of the Biblical magician, I am atheistic.

But in terms of a GOD principle, I am open minded.

It all depends upon how one arranges words.
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In the name of the Dragon,
I invoke Lucifer,
Lord of the Trident,
He who guides the Ascending Soul
on the path of the Gods,
Phosphoros, the Light Bearer!
Dark God of the Qliphoth!
Open the way to your stellar realm,
Come from the Throne of Thaumiel,
Through the gates of the Void,
Into this Temple of Flames.
Lord of the Night,
Open the gates to the Path of the Dragon,
And reveal to me secrets lost and forgotten,
The wisdom of primordial Gods!
Lord of Darkness and Light,
I invite you to enter this flesh,
I call you to my body, my mind and my soul,
I welcome you in my heart!
Lord of Ascending Flame,
Open for me the way to your Throne,
Show me the keys to your Stellar Gates,
And guide me on the paths of limitless power!
Lord of Thaumiel,
Ignite the fire of my soul,
So that I may rise forged in your flames,
As a living grail of your Immortal Essence,
From the bonds of flesh
to the heart of your Golden Throne!
Emperor of Darkness and Flame,
Empower and protect my soul,
So that I may arise
as a living vessel of Draconian Gnosis!
Great Horned King,
Enter this flesh which I offer you as a temple,
And let your immortal blood flow through my veins!
Lucifer, Lord of Ascending Flame,
Let your Fire burn forever in my soul!
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a) It is practically non-existent. Everyone has gods, they just don't know it.
If you’re defining a god as anything other than an all powerful entity and creator of the universe then you are not talking about atheism.

b) By definition falsifiable by the evidence. There are myriads of gods.
You are free to provide some.

c) Specifically unscientific. God (supernatural) can't be tested.
Which is why atheism rejects it. 

d) Atheism is really either just apathetic irreligion or sociopolitical frustration of a militant minority.
Atheism is the rejection of theistic claims. The reason for that rejection varies, but in most cases it’s due to the lack of evidence, which is the logical reason to deny any claim. All atheists are doing is using the same standards we apply to any claim to theistic claims as well.
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The dead horse keeps philosophy and religon alive
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can those gods help me complete the battle pass
Of course. Since I have no idea what that is I'll use a more common reference. A musician, a guitar player, for example, could theoretically be helped in their skill by a guitar god such as Eric Clapton or prior to his death, Eddie Van Halen. 

Oxford Dictionary - God: an adored, admired, or influential person.  

Makes no sense.
Of course it does. Sceintifically you can't establish whether or not something supernatural exists. So, from a scientific perspective you can't determine God does exist or does not. Pretty simple. Science can only examine the natural. 

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Super-market > Super-nova > Super-cluster { galactic cluster }

Super-natural = finite, occupied space Universe.

Super-natural does not equal violation of inviolate physical laws and cosmic principles, and saying that super-natural is the violation of the inviolate is BS > piled higher and deeper  aka PhD with mischievous intent.

There is not a super-man, only super GAI { soon } and super robots, drones etc that follow super General Artificial Intelligence.
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Atheism is nonsensical because:

a) It is practically non-existent. Everyone has gods, they just don't know it.
b) By definition falsifiable by the evidence. There are myriads of gods.
c) Specifically unscientific. God (supernatural) can't be tested.
d) Atheism is really either just apathetic irreligion or sociopolitical frustration of a militant minority.

all humans are born atheists (lack belief in any specific theology)

belief in an afterlife emerged, followed by shamanism and ancestor worship

ancestor spirits or high gods who are active in human affairs were absent in early human societies
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Sceintifically you can't establish whether or not something supernatural exists.

logic tells us that any two substances that CAN interact in any way

must necessarily maintain a FUNDAMENTAL similarity


therefore, MONISM
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Atheism is the rejection of theistic claims.
atheism is merely a lack of theological belief

atheists are merely unconvinced by any specific theistic claim
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Atheism is what it is.
And what it isn't? Everything is what it is. I take your comment to mean that atheism is a colloquialism of sociopolitical and philosophical dispute? 

A term generally used to define the non-adherence to popular deistic/theistic ideologies.
Ideologies specific to those, you mean. Theism doesn't adhere to any general ideology at all though, does it? If anything, and anyone can be a god or gods then to be with one doesn't require any specific ideology unless you consider the general adherence itself the ideology. Singular. One can believe in God, reject God, even have faith in God and still be atheist because one doesn't adhere to that God. That is, doesn't venerate/worship God. Atheism simply means without God or - and this is very important - or gods. The problem with that is that anything or anyone can be a god. Money, food, sex, love, sticks, stones, bones and words. 

The only commonality necessary between any of the myriads of gods is their being worshipped. 

Though as ever, if one deconstructs the idea and expands upon definition, then the loose adherence to any social idea could be regarded as being theistic.
That seems a contradiction to your opening statement, which I expected and so replied with "and what it isn't?" If one makes the argument that atheism is simply a constructed idea defined as "disbelief in the existence of God or gods," that is nonsensical for a variety of reasons. First of all, it begs the question what is a god and why the distinction between God and gods, i.e. which God and which gods? Second, what is belief? Trust or acceptance? I believe our government exists but I don't believe in our governments, for example. Thirdly, as mentioned above one can believe and even trust in a God and still be atheist if they don't venerate said God. I'm apolitical. That doesn't mean "disbelief in the existence of King or kings," it means I'm without politics. 

So, in terms of the Biblical magician [...]
Which I'm guessing you know virtually nothing about. Maybe you think he is alleged to have created the universe is 144 hours, sends people to hell, is three parts of a singular, came to earth and was hung on a cross, et cetera? 

[...] I am atheistic.
It doesn't make sense to me that you are atheistic in terms of one specific god and theistic towards others. I don't believe (trust in or accept the literal existence of) the mythological Zeus (Roman rulers were also given the title Zeus) but that doesn't make me theistic in terms of the Biblical Jehovah and atheistic in terms of Zeus. Zeus and Jehovah are both gods whether or not they literally exist or I personally worship or believe in them or not. 
 
But in terms of a GOD principle, I am open minded.
It doesn't matter, you know. If the Biblical magician as you call it, exists, he doesn't reward those giving him the benefit of the doubt. For merely being open minded. If, by GOD principle you mean a reflection of the specific magician without the responsibility it's a dawdle. If, however, you mean you are open and tolerant to interpretation it remains in a narrow window ideologically, I would think, being simply limited by definition. You only have to venerate something or someone. The Biblical gods, like any others. So, the so-called GOD principle isn't based upon the Biblical or any other. The Biblical and all others are based upon the principle. 

Put simply atheism and deism tend to model their perception upon a paradigm that is, and as we've established, isn't. 

Is that grammatically correct? I am open minded to the GRAMMAR principle. 

It all depends upon how one arranges words.
A lone man makes his way slowly across the alluvial plain. He's cold, wet and hungry and there are piercing eyes glowing in the dark - following him. There's no wood to burn but eventually he stumbles on a dried clump of bovine excrement. Bull shit. He notices there is an abundance about the place and begins lifting them, supping on the creepy things crawling underneath. He then lights them afire. The fire warms him, protects him from the onslaught of savage beasts so that perhaps he may even roast them. 

You know what I'm saying? The dung becomes his God. Think - fertility. The fertile land. Crops, children, procreation. Fucked. By the shit. We - are the flowers that grow from the shit. Unsure if we are dreaming that we are a butterfly or a butterfly dreaming we are - we. Huh? Gods are what we make them.

I couldn't resist going all wonky. Sabotaging preemptively.  

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Of course it does. Sceintifically you can't establish whether or not something supernatural exists. So, from a scientific perspective you can't determine God does exist or does not. Pretty simple. Science can only examine the natural. 
So that still doesn't disprove atheism. 
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If you’re defining a god as anything other than an all powerful entity and creator of the universe then you are not talking about atheism.
In which part of the definition of atheism is entity, creator or all powerful mentioned? 

You are free to provide some.
Historically, Zeus, Tammuz, Moses, Jesus, judges of Israel, Kim Jong-un, Eric Clapton, Frodo Baggins, Amaterasu. Dagon etc. 

Which is why atheism rejects it. 
No, atheism doesn't have a clue any more than science. That's the point. Atheism doesn't reject anything anyway. It can't reject what it can't understand. By it I mean, of course, it's representatives. As usual, they suck. Like representatives of theism as well. That's the problem with atheism or any theism. 

Atheism is the rejection of theistic claims. The reason for that rejection varies, but in most cases it’s due to the lack of evidence, which is the logical reason to deny any claim.
It's like there is a string on their neck. You pull it and you get nonsense. Claim is an assertion of the truth of something, typically one that is disputed or in doubt. Atheists don't have evidence they have a militant sociopolitical frustration in a quasi-theistic culture. 

 

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Like the number 42. 
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I'm sorry, what are you on about? 
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Atheists don't have evidence,
they have a militant sociopolitical frustration in a quasi-theistic culture.
Atheists are borg.
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Albert Einstein said: “The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish.”
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"1. William James Sidis – IQ Score: Estimated 250-300
Now, let’s shine the spotlight on William James Sidis, an American child prodigy born in 1898. His estimated IQ score ranges from an astonishing 250 to 300. Sidis’s story is a blend of exceptional brilliance and complex circumstances. At a young age, he attracted media attention for his incredible mental accomplishments, including mastering multiple languages and complex mathematical concepts. Sidis enrolled at Harvard University at just 11 years old, making him one of the youngest to attend the prestigious institution.
Despite his remarkable abilities, Sidis’s life took turns that led him away from the public eye. He pursued various interests, including writing and political activism. While he may not have achieved the fame of some other individuals on this list, his extraordinary IQ remains a testament to the potential of human intelligence."


He was an atheist Socialist, like Albert Einstein. Most of the smartest people are atheist Socialists.

"Sidis took up the socialist cause and was jailed in 1918 during a communist anti-war rally. It was in jail that he met the only woman he ever loved, an Irish socialist named Martha Foley."

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all humans are born atheists (lack belief in any specific theology)
All humans are not born with a disbelief in anything. At birth they lack belief and disbelief. They are born atheist in the sense that they are without theism, theoretically, though theism shouldn't be misconstrued as exclusively a belief in a supernatural deity therefor atheism shouldn't be misconstrued as exclusively a lack of belief in any theololgy, it is, rather, allegedly lacking theism. If it is true, and it is, that a god can be anything or anyone, then theoretically newborns worship their parents. Allow me to give you glimps of a new perspective. Does atheism deny the existence or belief in the Lord or lords? 

 belief in an afterlife emerged, followed by shamanism and ancestor worship 

ancestor spirits or high gods who are active in human affairs were absent in early human societies
Evidence? Revelation In Space: Religion (Desktop) (Mobile)



 

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Atheists are borg
An alien group that appears as recurring antagonists in the Star Trek fictional universe?

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An alien group that appears as recurring antagonists in the Star Trek fictional universe?
Yes.

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logic tells us that any two substances that CAN interact in any way

must necessarily maintain a FUNDAMENTAL similarity


therefore, MONISM
Explain? What does that have to do with - anything? 

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Oxford Dictionary - God: an adored, admired, or influential person.  
Maybe this is what people admired in the past. No wonder why there are so many Gods for all tastes.

I can bring up an actual example. Diego Armando Maradona is considered a God, the God of football, because his skills surpass everything people can conceive.

Moreover, there were civilizations that considered some animals as Gods, like the mesoamerican people, because those animals surpass the abilities and strenght of an average person. In the end, the Gods are beings that diserved to be admired or even worshiped, because they are more "powerful".

And I can tell you, when the aliens come down to earth, they will be the new Gods. Lol. 
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And I can tell you, when the aliens come down to earth, they will be the new Gods.
No, we are just after your resources. We have no interest in managing human lives.

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atheism is merely a lack of theological belief

atheists are merely unconvinced by any specific theistic claim
Okay. Here is a theistic claim: a god is by definition "an image, idol, animal, or other object worshiped as divine or symbolizing a god; an adored, admired, or influential person." How can an atheist remain unconvinced by the claim that the Christian cross is a god that exists? 

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Like the number 42.
Huh? So this irrelevancy comment by you is the  best response you have to offer. Your running away from truth, logical common sense critical thinking.

I'm sorry, what are you on about?
God (supernatural) can't be tested
Logical common sense critical thinking. Your not familiar with such apparrently. 

It is obvious you fear the truth and logical common sense critical thinking with these kind of responses

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Super-market > Super-nova > Super-cluster { galactic cluster }

Super-natural = finite, occupied space Universe.

Super-natural does not equal violation of inviolate physical laws and cosmic principles, and saying that super-natural is the violation of the inviolate is BS > piled higher and deeper  aka PhD with mischievous intent.

There is not a super-man, only super GAI { soon } and super robots, drones etc that follow super General Artificial Intelligence.





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How can an atheist remain unconvinced by the claim that the Christian cross is a god that exists? 
Checkmate, atheists.

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So that still doesn't disprove atheism. 
It doesn't need to. It was a foregone conclusion

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atheism is merely a lack of theological belief

atheists are merely unconvinced by any specific theistic claim
Okay. Here is a theistic claim: a god is by definition "an image, idol, animal, or other object worshiped as divine or symbolizing a god; an adored, admired, or influential person." How can an atheist remain unconvinced by the claim that the Christian cross is a god that exists? 
physical images and statues of gods ghosts and goblins, aliensbigfootlochness obviously exist

this is the most ridiculous straw-man argument i've ever seen in my life