Invincible Day Phase 2

Then we can talk about WF or JoeBob.

The fact that there’s a 4/5 wagon on me right now is frankly insane when we have literally caught scum in Vader this DP. 

Like I get my reads have been atrocious this game, but for a second think about if I am town. You’re literally letting a known scum player live another night and even possibly ending the game. It’s 6-2 right now. If I’m lynched as a townie, Austin dies, GP dies cause his last probe is out, and mafia successfully kill, it’s 2-2 and they win.

So your responses boil down to "scum could have roles that do this." Fine. So, let's get this story straight:

Vader made a very bold claim that was quickly CC'd. We all agree he's scum. If I'm scum, then the assumption is that Vader targeted me (he'd have to, since no town members have fessed up to doing it) and then broadcast that he had done so.

Strange as the choice was to claim a character who I think was breadcrumbed in DP1, you'd have to think that Vader made the even stranger choice of both targeting and then outing that he targeted his scum partner, and that's on top of him having some role that he would use on said scum partner.

As for how you've explained BK, I'll admit there's a greater probability of that, since there's some non-zero chance that BK executed the NK and Supa used some role that targeted both me and JoeBob, particularly if scum assumed I was an informational role and wanted to Redirect me to get an innocent result. That being said, I'd say the probability of a Redirector who landed on a pretty weak choice (Barney was a much better option than me and both Austin and I could see it, so I suspect scum could as well) is not nearly as likely as that BK just Doc'd his target.

Scum might have manipulative roles, but if they do, they chose to use one of them on the Vanilla player (and, by your logic, JoeBob), so I don't think it matters much. You have to assume a lot in order to come to the conclusion that it does matter, given what happened to the Kate on me and JoeBob. 

As for whether Savant was the Cop, I don't think that's super relevant. It's possible he was. What I was looking for from a claim was anything that was affiliation-specific. Cop certainly falls into that category. Whether there's a Lawyer or Tailor in this game is more relevant if there was a Cop, but that doesn't explain everything that's happened.

Also...

Wtf dude? Scumslip much? JoeBob, the Innocent Child, and not BK?

Yes, but some town members are unwilling to lynch Vader, which is confusing, but I dont mind.

So your argument is that GP is going to end up killing himself by sending out a Kate when he knows he only has one left? Really?

I honestly don't care that much if we kill Vader vs. Pie. I'm certain both are scum at this point, so it's just a matter of preference. Right now, I prefer Pie. We risk nothing by waiting to lynch Supa in the next DP.

Vader got innocent on whiteflame.

So if Vader = town, then whiteflame = town

So the only two scums would be pie and barney.

But if Vader = scum, then the other scum can be pie, barney or whiteflame.

But given the results from being probed, I dont see how Barney could possibly be scum.

So in conclusion, lynching pie then Vader is the very safe play, since even if one is town, other has to be scum as there is no other explanation of the given results.

Now, I would kinda prefer that we lynch Vader first, but it seems like it wont happen for some reason.

Why is this not possible? You already know this guy claimed a character that literally got CCed.

It’s WIFOM at best. But again, we don’t know the roles in the game that scum has.

It’s possible, but we also know scum were given a strong fake role claim. Claiming Cop with Damian makes zero sense. So what’s the other strong fake claim? Definitely not Commuter. Doctor is the only logical choice.

That’s fine, you can think I’m wrong, but it logically makes sense from a balance perspective. Theoretically it should be possible for all 5 Kates to die in one night. If all town and all scum use their powers. Scum can use up to 3 targets probably. Logically it makes sense scum have some role that allows them to target 3 different players.

There’s a town JOAT so Barney could still. Idk

I meant WF and BK. You know I meant that, and the fact you’re trying to create something out of nothing is odd

Seriously, whats up with not lynching Vader?

I don’t control GP. He sent out all 5 probes last night even after you said to hold one back. Either way, it’s concerning that you’re willing to lynch someone who could be town over someone who is CONFIRMED scum. It makes zero sense you’re trying to do this, and it’s concerning 

Just look at this. Why is he protecting Supa, who is confirmed scum at this point and willing to lynch someone who is objectively less likely to be scum

I didn't say it's impossible. I'm saying it's exceedingly unlikely that one member of a scum team would both put themselves in the position to get CC'd and simultaneously tie themselves to their scum partner. Just because it's possible doesn't mean it's likely.

Yes, we don't, but you seem quite sure that it's one of a very small subset of possible roles and that they used those roles in a very specific way, as opposed to the much more obvious conclusions that can be drawn based on existing claims.

So because we know there was a suggestion of a fake role that could be claimed, it must be the Doc? I don't follow this logic.

I don't know how you come to the conclusion that all 5 Kates should be able to die in one NP. That's just spitballing to the extreme, as is claiming that scum can target 3 people simultaneously.

Could still what?

Fine, I'll assume you just made an error and we'll just focus on the absurd conclusions you're drawing.

I'd say the odds of you being town are going precipitously down with each post. I don't buy the extravagant conclusions you're drawing about how the NP must have played out. They require so many assumptions that it's gotten absurd.

If Vader gets lynched and turns town, we lynch Barney, obviously.

But if we lynch you and you turn town, the next lynch target becomes a lot less clear.

So I agree that we play the safest possible option and lynch a counter claimed.

My assumptions are grounded in balance and the fact that you were trying hard to save Supa

I'm not going to continue this back-and-forth on game mechanics. If you want to get into those, let's do it with Vader's flip.

This is such horseshit dude. I've repeatedly said he is the only person I'm considering beyond you. I've repeatedly said he'd be my NK target during the next DP. That's not "saving" Vader. And let's be clear about this: I've given plenty of reason to sus you via PoE alone. I won't pretend that there aren't other avenues available for explaining what happened during the last NP, but the amount of hoops you have to jump through to get there is just absurd. If you want to argue that those things are plausible, argue after the flip.

Counter claim motherfucker. I’m Damien Darkblood,  JOAT investigator. 

Whatevs,

VTL VADER

Pie is next!

I know what you did!