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Right, and I'm sure he visited other states, and people knew him from other states, and I bet he once bought something made in a state like West Virginia. That's how the game works. Any thread will do if you can keep a straight face and the judge and jury want to attack.
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and I bet he once bought something made in a state like West Virginia
This is true, and since the federal government can just about fabricate any crime under the commerce clause(thanks to FDR and his SCOTUS)...the decision that codified economic fascism into the constitution...
a special prosecutor can then charge Obama with a federal crime.
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Kinda like how Trump fully repaying a European bank was zero quantifiable material harm to New York?
any technical violation of the law within the jurisdiction of new york state can be prosecuted by that state
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Colorado would have standing as it has a duty to protect its citizens.
not everyone everywhere at all times
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Kinda like how Trump fully repaying a European bank was zero quantifiable material harm to New York?
any technical violation of the law within the jurisdiction of new york state can be prosecuted by that state
So no harm needs to be quantified?
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So no harm needs to be quantified?
the maker of the rules has automatic standing to enforce the rules they make
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So no harm needs to be quantified?
Well there you have it. Any president, sitting or otherwise can be hauled into court for any one out of millions of process crimes. Impeachment is no longer necessary.
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So no harm needs to be quantified?
the maker of the rules has automatic standing to enforce the rules they make
Ah, so if West Virginia makes a rule, they have standing.
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Ah, so if West Virginia makes a rule, they have standing.
within their jurisdiction
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Ah, so if West Virginia makes a rule, they have standing.
within their jurisdiction
Who decides jurisdiction?

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I just want to see Hussain and Hillary prosecuted 
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Who decides jurisdiction?
jurisdiction of a state is within the borders of that state

jurisdiction of a county is within the borders of that county

state police enforce the laws of that state

county police enforce the laws of that county

city police enforce the laws of that city
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You didn't answer the question.
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I’ll answer your question. It’s subjective. You can find jurisdiction where they let you
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You didn't answer the question.
the question answers itself

do you know what a state is ?

do you know what a county is ?

do you know what a city is ?
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I’ll answer your question. It’s subjective. You can find jurisdiction where they let you
maybe if you cross a border

but in most cases it's perfectly clear

as long as you know WHERE the crime was committed
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maybe if you cross a border

but in most cases it's perfectly clear

as long as you know WHERE the crime was committed
A court can deny jurisdiction arbitrarily.
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A court can deny jurisdiction arbitrarily.
you're talking about a conflict between state and county jurisdiction

or more often, federal versus state

the larger jurisdiction usually takes precedence

although it can get a little complicated on an indian reservation
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I’ll answer your question. It’s subjective. You can find jurisdiction where they let you
That is correct, and "they" are judges.

Judges decide jurisdiction, and if a West Virginia judge be he/she federal or state level decides to allow a case to be brought in his/her court, it will proceed.

Should they be able to do that? That is an entirely different question; does all of this lead to contradictions? Yes, but I wasn't the one who claimed it was perfectly logical.
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You didn't answer the question.
the question answers itself
They never do.

There are objective answers to well defined questions, but that does not mean that who answers doesn't matter; and it always matters in legal (or pretended) legal proceedings.

It's not who votes, but who counts the votes.


do you know what a state is ?
Do you know where Trump was when he called Raffensburger? Do you know where Germany is?


as long as you know WHERE the crime was committed
No, it's as long as you connect the so called crime to your territory or people no matter how many steps or how tenuous the connection. That's the game when people are playing dirty, and this is as dirty as it gets before guns start getting pulled.
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Judges decide jurisdiction, and if a West Virginia judge be he/she federal or state level decides to allow a case to be brought in his/her court, it will proceed.
judges also have jurisdiction based on GEOGRAPHY

please provide an example of this arbitrary and capricious behavior you seem so convinced of
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It's not who votes, but who counts the votes.
what are you talking about now ?
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Do you know where Trump was when he called Raffensburger? Do you know where Germany is?
do you know where the contract was signed ?

A jurisdiction clause, also known as a choice of law or forum selection clause, is a crucial provision often included in commercial contracts. It establishes the jurisdiction or court that will have the authority to resolve any disputes that may arise between the parties involved in the contract. This clause plays a significant role in defining the legal framework within which contractual issues will be resolved.
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It's not who votes, but who counts the votes.
I never thought I would see you quoting Stalin.

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No, it's as long as you connect the so called crime to your territory or people no matter how many steps or how tenuous the connection.
is this west virginia thing based on a real case or are you just making this stuff up on the fly ?
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All I can say is if Democrat's loose the election, all the Dems involved in these clown show trails better be prepared for the same onslaught being brought upon them.   Ya'll set the precedent. This is how its going to be from here on out in every Presidential election.
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Judges decide jurisdiction, and if a West Virginia judge be he/she federal or state level decides to allow a case to be brought in his/her court, it will proceed.
judges also have jurisdiction based on GEOGRAPHY
Where does a phone call take place?

What is a conspsiracy?

When the federal government steals from West Virginians (In West Virginia) in order to build bombs to drop on Coloradoites in Yemen where did that crime occur?


please provide an example of this arbitrary and capricious behavior you seem so convinced of
Every single so called case civil and criminal Donald Trump and many of those involved in the "stop the steal" effort and Jan 6 have faced.

Highlights:
In New York he is being "charged" under New York law for hiding a crime by mislabeling an invoice. What is the crime that he was hiding? The judge doesn't care.

In New York Trump demanded a trial by jury for the so called defrauding of deutsche bank. The judge didn't care, in fact he lied about it claiming that no request was made. At the end of that fake trial there was an attempt to extort 500 million dollars out of Trump before he could appeal, a clear violation of the 8th amendment.

A NY judge's daughter is raising millions of dollars off Trump's prosecution as her father refuses to recuse himself, the text books wouldn't include that as an example of conflict of interest because it's too fucking obvious to be believable.

When all this can happen, a similarly "motivated" "judge" with the opposite bias will not be stopped by what you call "perfectly logical" things like "standing", no more than "immunity" has stopped these clowns. And make no mistake, they'll pretend there is immunity just as soon as it can be used to defend one of their guys.


Do you know where Trump was when he called Raffensburger? Do you know where Germany is?
do you know where the contract was signed ?
You heard of electronic signing? What about power of attorney?


A jurisdiction clause, also known as a choice of law or forum selection clause, is a crucial provision often included in commercial contracts. It establishes the jurisdiction or court that will have the authority to resolve any disputes that may arise between the parties involved in the contract. This clause plays a significant role in defining the legal framework within which contractual issues will be resolved.
There is no contract dispute. It's people impersonating officer's of the court attacking Trump. They weren't a party. There is no injury (a point you dropped like a rock).


No, it's as long as you connect the so called crime to your territory or people no matter how many steps or how tenuous the connection.
is this west virginia thing based on a real case or are you just making this stuff up on the fly ?
West Virginia is where you will find a jury pool with an inverted but roughly equal bias to DC or Manhattan. Specifically the hills, not Harper's Ferry. West Virginia is where they will convict Obama of murder 9/10. West Virginia is where they will convict Joe Biden of molesting a minor because of his daughter's diary.
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All I can say is if Democrat's loose the election, all the Dems involved in these clown show trails better be prepared for the same onslaught being brought upon them.   Ya'll set the precedent. This is how its going to be from here on out in every Presidential election.
One can only hope, but there are far too many people trying to 'lead' the right-tribe that are perfectly fine with a ratchet mechanism where the left-tribe faces no consequences and are only delayed till next time at which point they will have learned to violate the social contract even harder.

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It's not who votes, but who counts the votes.
I never thought I would see you quoting Stalin.
If one isn't aware of people who think like Stalin the one doesn't understand humanity.

Constitutions exist to defeat Stalins. Stalins ignore them, twist them, and anyone who lets them is asking to be ruled by a Stalin.


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Trump demanded a trial 
ok, now we're back to trump

yes, i agree with you, this is a dangerous precedent

but it's too late for anyone to back-down

the courts are a joke