Stop electing tech illiterate politicians (except Trump)

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Correct, the party lead by Manhattan real estate billionaire whose only accomplishments in office were a major tax break for the rich and deregulation of businesses that allowed large corporations to get away with murder is definitely the party of the rich.

I could actually afford to go out to eat occasionally when he was in office now My income has increased significantly and I struggle to pay bills. Be honest. You are a rich kid which is why you are okay with all the suffering under Biden and don't want to see trump make America affordable like he did last time?

I noticed how you focus on tax cuts instead of quality of living. Who gives a fuck about cuts. How would a billionairepaying less taxes hurt me?
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I really don't get this idea that Government regulations do not equate to a loss of choices for the working consumer.  (loss of freedom)

It's literally the mission of the nanny state to have the government sacrifice consumer choice to achieve an arbitrary bar of consumer "safety" (however they want to define that shoe that has to fit all people)

Literally the ONLY reason why Obamacare made insurance so expensive was because it created this massive "shoe" for everyone to wear, whether they wanted it or not.


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Also, the whole "Billionaire tax" issue isn't understood at all by the average person.

Many Billionaires willingly pay taxes and donate to campaigns if they know it will help elect the kinds of people that will help them crush their competition. They consider it a worthwhile investment in crony capitalism. The real truth is that they almost always pay the same or nearly the same standard corporate tax under any president, regardless who is in office, and have really no complaints as long as their investment into Ukraine and other money laundering schemes also helps creates competition killing regulations. I believe the average billionaire paid around 25% for the past 30 years no matter who was president. You can double check that on me, but I am pretty sure that's very close.
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I recently had to re-up my car insurance. My old agent had died and I never got in contact with the person that took over the handling of the policy. I saw it was going to be 800 dollars a year, and I looked online at what was in it. There was all sorts of crap I really didn't want to pay for. I went to a local agency down the street and asked for a quote for a bare bones policy. Of course the agent wanted to know what my old policy was so he could match a price just barely under it. I refused and told him to just make one from scratch. Well then he gave this salesman pitch that said no insurer worth anything would sell a "bare minimum policy" as it would be "too risky" for them. He then gave me one quote for 850 and then another quote for 2200. I walked out and got in contact with the receiver of my old policy file. I walked into her office and asked if I could remove a bunch of services I was required to have before I outright owned my car 3 years ago. She said "sure"...a few clicks later I was down to $450 a year. I walked out and thanked the Lord that car insurance didn't have the same arbitrary regulations as Obamacare.
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Well then he gave this salesman pitch that said no insurer worth anything would sell a "bare minimum policy" as it would be "too risky" for them. He then gave me one quote for 850 and then another quote for 2200. I walked out and got in contact with the receiver of my old policy file
I never did anything with it but I got licensed to sell insurance. Despite it being commission based it is not legal in most states for then to attempt to sell you a policy that you don't want. They are supposed to only answer your questions and if you ask for the bare minimum they are required by law to STFU and give you what you asked for. You should report that asshole to the appropriate party in your state. 

I remember that is what turned me off about it. It is a sales position where you are not allowed to sell. You can't talk bad about the competition. By law, you can't upset by law. You can't talk somebody out of a cheap policy by law. You just STFU and pass on your knowledge to the best of your ability and in am unbiased way. 

I really don't get this idea that Government regulations do not equate to a loss of choices for the working consumer. (loss of freedom)
I think double r is a pleb and doesn't know this but I was a Democrat at one point and not a pleb.. The regulations are intended to drive out small business because the government has a harder time controlling 1000 small businesses than they do just 2 or 3 mega corporations in an industry. They won't argue this publicly but the socialist intelligentsia is against small business due to them being harder to control
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He said what he said and some hardcore trump supporters really did it and ended up dead or hospitalised.
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According to the IRS, the top billionaires pay 31.5% so the top 1% of producers pay pretty close to 25%
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Whataboutism blaming reporters is all you guys can do.

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No, MSNBC said it, and also said some Trump supporters heard what MSNBC said and killed themselves.

Me personally would not mourn over anyone dying because they listened to MSNBC. It's just another Darwin trophy.
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Listened to Trump, maybe you're right. The left should learn to be cold like you guys.
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It's called learning consequences. If you are going to choose to believe all the propaganda from MSNBC, then there is a price you will pay for that. Such as all the inflation, expansion of systemic racism through DEI (didn't earn it), expansion of crime and chaos through illegal invasions, and the crony and corrupt funding of pointless wars the past 3 years.

Only then will you maybe take a hot minute to think that just maybe, the billionaire class owned media is purposely lying to you.
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Most of DNC Congress represent the wealthiest places in America. For the DNC to say they feel for the poor is simply fabricating sympathy pains.
Can you name a single policy difference where the democrats fall on the side of the ultra rich while the republicans are the ones fighting to protect the little guy? Just one?
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Well Democrats did keep Trump's tax plan....

Serious answers:

1) Debt amnesty for college clearly benefits richer people and disproportionally benefits the wealthy people who pursued doctorate degrees. This amnesty is paid with the taxes collected from the poor and middle class who never went to college.

2) Money and services in many Democrat cities are set aside for illegal invaders instead of poor Americans.

3) Money for Ukraine instead of poor Americans.

4) Inflation hurts poor people much more than rich people, and Biden had zero sane reasons to push his 3rd stimulus which then catapulted inflation over 8%

5) Illegal migrants depress the wages of the working poor at a time when inflation is hurting them the most.

6) Defunding police disproportionately hurts the poor as the ultra rich can just sequester their assets far away and with private security.

The data regarding funding shows Biden is overwhelmingly getting money from rich donors and Trump is getting the lion's share from poor donors.
This also reflects the polls that say Trump is winning with the working class, who don't approve of the neglectful policies putting working Americans last.
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Serious answers: 

1) Debt amnesty for college clearly benefits richer people and disproportionally benefits the wealthy people who pursued doctorate degrees. This amnesty is paid with the taxes collected from the poor and middle class who never went to college.

2) Money and services in many Democrat cities are set aside for illegal invaders instead of poor Americans.

3) Money for Ukraine instead of poor Americans.

4) Inflation hurts poor people much more than rich people, and Biden had zero sane reasons to push his 3rd stimulus which then catapulted inflation over 8%

5) Illegal migrants depress the wages of the working poor at a time when inflation is hurting them the most.

6) Defunding police disproportionately hurts the poor as the ultra rich can just sequester their assets far away and with private security.
So no, you cannot name a single policy where democrats are the party of the super rich fighting back against the republicans trying to help the lower classes. Noted.

Your first example, cancelling student loans, isn't a give away to super rich. People struggling with student loans are in most cases broke, and the loan forgiveness programs they've put forward are capped. This is primarily a middle class issue.

Every other issue you raised has nothing to do with this.

Inflation is not a policy and it's just plain stupid to blame Biden for the inflation caused by the third stimulus while pretending the first two stimuluses passed by Trump didn't do the same.

Point 5 is not a policy and it's also a lie, those migrants are here legally. If you don't like that then tell Trump to stop blocking the law that would outlaw them so they could be legally sent back.

Point 6 is another lie, the only people actually trying to defund the police are republicans who've turned on the FBI.

Points 2 and 3 are just policy disagreements over where the money should go. But these two are the most dishonest because you know damn well if we stopped spending that money republicans would never advocate for using it to help poor people. Only democrats do that.

Again, republicans are the party of tax cuts for the rich, of killing social security and Medicare, of killing food stamps, of business deregulation which large corporations and the super rich love...  that is what the party of the rich looks like. Every policy that has ever been designed to help working and poor people had been primarily pushed by the democrats. Calling the republicans the party of the poor is like calling Nazis the party of human rights.
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I could actually afford to go out to eat occasionally when he was in office now My income has increased significantly and I struggle to pay bills.
This has nothing to do with Trump. Trump inherited an economy that had been growing for 7 straight years, all he did was not fuck it up. Look at every economic indicator, nothing happened when Trump took office except the same growth continued and in some cases slowed down. We gained more jobs in the last 3 years of Obama's presidency than the first the years of Trump's. Giving him credit for where we were is like Trump purchasing the Burj Kaleifa, adding one floor to the top and then claiming he built the tallest building in the world.

Biden meanwhile came into office dealing with the aftermath of the disaster Trump left behind. Trump didn't cause COVID, but he did fuck up the response to it royally. Still, look around, the US use doing better than all of our peer nations when it comes to inflation, job growth, etc. There is no reason to believe Trump's response to it would have been any better.

This is a complete apples to oranges comparison.

Be honest. You are a rich kid which is why you are okay with all the suffering under Biden
I'm not a rich kid, just some guy who recognizes that correlation =/= causation. You have to look at the circumstances and judge president's by what they did to influence them, not by pretending they are the almighty king of the earth who are in complete control and fully responsible for everything that happens on the planet.

I noticed how you focus on tax cuts instead of quality of living. Who gives a fuck about cuts. How would a billionairepaying less taxes hurt me?
I focused on what was relevant to the conversation I was having. GP is trying to argue that the democrats are the party of the super rich while ignoring the fact that the policies each party supports shows the exact opposite. You are free to agree or disagree with whether billionaires should get their taxes cut, you don't get to pretend that the party who prioritizes this is the party of the little guy.
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You can call it a "big lie" all you want. This is how the swing state workers see the world without the MSNBC blinders.

It also explains the Fact that Biden's donors are the super rich.
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Getting back to your OP...you need to read this:

It may take a few generations to functionally recover from DEI racism.
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I'm not a rich kid, just some guy who recognizes that correlation =/= causation. Y
How many failed liberal policies do you have to see before its no longer Correlation?

Do me a favor go to a blue city to ee what we are protecting you from. Go to skid row or look at some other liberal strong hold like Chicago where places like Walmart are fleeing due to the crime sprees making it unprofitable. 

This is exactly while some right wing extremits vote democrat. They think you won't understand until the inevitable collapse from leftist policies and push for accelerationism
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We won't recover unless technology advances at a rate to make up for it. 

https://www.palladiummag.com/2023/06/01/complex-systems-wont-survive-the-competence-crisis/
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There are planes falling out of the sky, boats taking out bridges and trains derailing and these idiots look at themselves and say

"Do glad we said fuck you to meritocracy and went with DEI"
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"Aren't you glad we said Fuck you to meritocracy and went with DEI?"

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I suggest we elect tech literate people so that way they are qualified. 
Tech literacy is one very small aspect of what any reasonable person would want in the person who represents them in their government. There is no reason we would want that to be their first qualifier, and without that as their first qualification there is no reason we would want them deciding each and every regulation. That should be left up to people who know what they're doing.

Yes we have and no we shouldn't be slaves to technocrats there needs to be a democratic process and oversights.
That's why we have a Congress and an entire executive branch overseeing them.

Prior to the 1920s regulatory agencies didn't even exist and things were fine.
Actually it began in 1887, but setting that aside... Do you seriously think 1920's America is comparable to 2020's America?

And even if you somehow do, regulatory bodies were formed for a reason. You might think the 1920's were great but I promise you anyone who lived through them would come to undetstand the price we paid for it.

Tightening screws created that sort of corruption but yes go ahead and keep doing the same thing over and over again and see if you get different results.
This is like arguing that stores should stop selling merchandise because sometimes items get stolen.

Exactly and so your solution is to give the government more power?
No, solutions are what we come up with to solve a problem. I'm talking about the processes by which we do so.

Why not put the power in the hands of the people instead of the technocrats elite and billionaires?
The power is in the hands of the people, that's what democratic government is.

But if by "people" you mean why not leave it to businesses to regulate themselves then the answer is really simple; because they won't. Individuals and businesses will do and are only responsible for whatever is in their best personal interests. Regulations exist because what is in the best interest for one can be detrimental to the rest of society, like a factory dumping it's waste in the local river everyone gets their drinking water from.

The entire point of regulations is to protect consumers from harmful or predatory business practices.
Well I showed you the corruption involved and how it achieves the opposite.
No, you didn't. I acknowledge there is corruption because that is true anywhere there are humans. The fact that corruption exists is not a reason to deregulate every industry. It's a pro vs con debate, so if you want to argue that the benefits of corruption outweigh the benefits of regulation you've got a really steep hill to climb, and that debate only comes after accepting that the level of corruption we're talking about is not avoidable with oversight and law enforcement.

Also check out these facts that disprove you

1. Prior to the FDA Americans got most of their food supply from local businesses. Now most can be traced back to a handful of corporations

2. Prior to heavy banking regulations, 80% of banking was done with small mom and pop banks. Now nearly all banking is done with billion dollar corporations. 

3. Local regulators were used to help form regional monopolies of utility companies
Classic correlation = causation fallacy.

Regulations came about as the world became more complicated and businesses were finding new ways to make money at the expense of the rest of society.

During this same period capitalism continued to mature, so because those with more money have an edge over those who don't, large corporations began to crush smaller businesses who didn't have the Capitol to compete.

These are two entirely seperate things which both would have followed their paths regardless of the other. If anything you could actually make the argument in reverse which would be far more compelling; that the formation of large businesses and corporations is what lead to the need for more regulations. The lessons we learned after the great depression would be a great example of that.
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You can call it a "big lie" all you want. This is how the swing state workers see the world without the MSNBC blinders.
Classic GP; ignore every argument I made and then just proclaim that you're right because the people you proclaim to agree with you, (allegedly) agree with you.

I can't wait to see how your argument changes after Trump loses.

It also explains the Fact that Biden's donors are the super rich.
You mean like the guy who put up $175 million to bail Trump out?
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Do me a favor go to a blue city to ee what we are protecting you from. Go to skid row or look at some other liberal strong hold like Chicago where places like Walmart are fleeing due to the crime sprees making it unprofitable. 
You do realize that crime is higher in red areas of the country than blue right?
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I can't wait to see how your argument changes after Trump loses.

It doesn't matter whether Trump wins or loses. The country is forever divided and destined for balkanization at this point. Lawfare is now the culture, and the means of the destruction of the establishment. Only the propaganda of the radical far left could have made this happen. With the destruction of what the law is, so goes the establishment. Leave it to the power hungry left establishment to throw out the bathtub with the baby in vile desperation. If they cannot rule, they will see the country burned down all about them. I fully expect the establishment right to embrace the same lawfare to destroy their opponents long after Trump is gone. They already started with the Mayorkas impeachment. You can pretend a Trump win isn't a big middle finger to all this, but that would be another "big lie"

All that will remain are libertarians and Bernie Bros. I welcome it.
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There are planes falling out of the sky, boats taking out bridges and trains derailing and these idiots look at themselves and say

"Do glad we said fuck you to meritocracy and went with DEI"
The boat took out the bridge because the ship lost power and thus lost it's ability to stop itself from colliding with the bridge.

Can you please explain, with sources provided, who was directly responsible for that, show that this person or person's were minorities, and substantiate that the person's were in that position not because of their merits or even nepotism but because the company needed a hire that wasn't a straight white male?

Or are you just a racist looking for anything you can find to substantiate your chicken little complex so that you can blame it on those "others"?
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I will also just leave this here again for you to trip all over.

and this:


Your MSNBC "big lies" simply are not landing on the ears of the working poor.
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The USA will be Trump's largest bankruptcy. What would we expect from someone who was the dumbest student a professor ever had?
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We can just print more money. It worked for Biden.
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Well, the “King of Debt” promised to reduce the national debt — then his tax cuts made it surge. Add in the pandemic, and he oversaw the third-biggest deficit increase of any president.