The Heroes of Olympus Mafia DP2

JoeBob - Nico di Angelo - “Twins snuff out the angel's breath, Who holds the key to endless death.” You are one of the few people in the series that knows the existence of Camp Jupiter. It was your father Hades who told you about this; consequently, you present yourself as the Ambassador to Pluto to the Romans. To help the seven, you tried to locate the Doors of Death that allowed defeated souls to enter the living world again. Unfortunately, you were captured by Gaea’s forces in the process and held hostage by the Giants Otis and Ephialtes in The Mark of Athena. Because you were the first to learn about the other camp and an ambassador to Pluto, you are the Emissary. Each night, I will give you reliable information towards the identity of one town-aligned player in the game. You win with the Town.

Lunatic - Piper McLean - You are the daughter of Aphrodite. With that, you were blessed with the power to charmspeak. This means that you can magically convince people to do whatever you want them to. In fact, you once got a car for free by doing this. Clearly this is an asset to the team, but you still think you are the weakest of the seven heroes. This is clearly not true. Your weapon of choice (a knife called Katoptris) literally helped cut off the horn of a river god to create a cornucopia. This same item eventually helped you and the others to gain access to the lair of Otis and Ephialtes. Because of your charmspeak and ability to carry your own load when needed, you are the Loved - You require one extra vote to be eliminated than would otherwise normally be needed to achieve majority. This effect disappears at MYLO and LYLO. You win with the Town.

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Remaining Players:

With 8 players remaining, it takes 5 votes to achieve a lynch. The day phase will end in 72 hours on April 8, 2024 at 11:30am CST.

DP is up

DP is up

Piper McLean, that’s really a character name? Is her father a bald weightlifter in a white shirt who’s always smiling?

Hello I’m gonna full claim

I’m Rachel Elizabeth Dare and I’m a 1x Cop. I got an innocent on Whiteflame. Reason I chose Whiteflame over BK was I softclaimed a cop role in DP1 when referring to JoeBob being a cop. I thought scum may pick that up so I went to my next read which I was unsure about, WF. He had scum moments and town moments so I had to make sure to get a result 

As an fyi my activity will be very limited today and tmrw because my mom is visiting in town so whenever I get the time to post I will

My paraphrase dm states that I played a key role in the first quest we had discovering that Camp Jupiter really did exist and without it, the heroes couldn’t have went about their task

Granted this does make me lean more town toward WF, it’s not a confirmed town role at this moment.

We are also at 5v2v1 (assuming 2 scum)

VTL BK for full claim

I will be back later in the day once in not with my mom

Claim please.

Best Korea (2/5) - Vader, Barney

Wait, why are you pursuing BK for a full claim? He already gave his. Barney, you literally have his full claim on that list. It’s fine if you don’t buy it, but he’s given it.

I’ve got thoughts on both Vader’s claim and on the results from the last DP, but I’m in the middle of something. Both of you need to explain why you’re suddenly on this kick.

This is why insults shouldnt be banned on this site, as this is the product of safe space. Also, I asked you to change my name to Best.Japan, so hope you do that.

So, I'll start with what happened in the last DP.

Frankly, I think the fact that so many people got the behavioral read on JoeBob wrong should be giving us pause on similar behavioral reads, and the fact that people are so quick to jump on BK this DP is disquieting. If this is the choice town is making coming off that flip and with the information we already have, then that's a bad sign. I signed onto the JoeBob lynch because of several elements of his claim that put me off, but like I said numerous times during the previous DP (and like several people apparently sussed me over repeatedly throughout the DP), none of it came off as obviously scummy for him. If JoeBob was just some random player, then yes, several aspects of his behavior during DP1 should have yielded that response, but he has known scum and town behavior. We also know a good deal about how BK has played over many games. Jumping all over him just because you sus his claim or have problems with his behavior should not be the response to this flip unless you have clear-cut reasons why BK's behavior differs from previous games. It's not sufficient to call him out on sus behaviors in this game.

As for the Cop claim from Vader... anyone else find that distinctly strange after the Emissary flip? They're not 1-to-1, but they are similarly built around determining whether someone is town-aligned, just by distinct means (Cop by targeting someone else and finding out whether they're innocent, and Emissary apparently by just receiving information that indicates the identity of a town-aligned player). I'm not sure if there are other investigative roles in this game, and maybe it just makes sense to have two somewhat similar ones like this, particularly if there's a Godfather to mess with those results (can't tell if the Emissary would be fooled by that role). While I understand why he would target me, I'm still deciding whether I buy it. Also not sure what to think of his character claim.

That being said, given that I've been copped innocent (long as we're assuming it's real and that I haven't monkeyed with the result), I think I'm in the best position to pursue that information and I think claiming myself is only going to be a detriment to town. That being said, I'd like to wait and see what results we have from anyone else before we move on. Since Barney has posted already and hasn't included any results, I'm going to assume he has none. BK's claim precludes that as well, as does GP's. The rest of you (all the ones I've tagged) should state if you have any information as soon as you get on. 

Kinda busy today, but I´ll try to post occasionally.

First of all, yáll are maniacs for going after BK again. I still haven´t see anyone give convincing reasoning for why he´s sus other than the fact that his role is unconfirmable and he´s acting like... himself. Anyone who´s played with BK for a game or two knows that I mean.

Vader´s role justification makes no sense whatsoever, but the only way he would be lying is if he got that as a fakeclaim, otherwise it would be ridiculously risky to claim the most common investigative role and possibly get CC´d. Based on my survey of Pie´s past games as well as my own knowledge of modding principles, giving Cop as a fakeclaim is bordering on bastard.

Also, I´m concerned about the Joebob lynch yesterday. First, the total lack of resistance (I think all the votes switched over within a page or two), and second, the fact it happened at all.

He literally had a semi'confirmable role. Yes, he was behaviorally sus (I´m not going to pretend I claimed otherwise), but the problem is that we have to lynch GP sooner or later. I don´t understand why you didn´t get lynch GP and let Joebob get a night of information.

Why did you hammer Joebob? We still had time and judging by the thread, he hadn't even finished clarifying his role yet

No results. And yes, I did consider that - it's like having a Rolecop and a Cop in the same game. However, it's still risky enough that I doubt he would fakeclaim without being pressured. Lot of risk for minimal reward

I just realized he claimed x1, wasn't paying attention. I find that slightly anti-town, SOP is that you don't say when your role gets max utility so that you bait a useless NK from scum

I get your point, and I'm not going to pretend that I made the right decision pursuing the lynch based on his claim. I'd say the way he put it out sounded pretty similar to his Motivator claim in the last game, especially as he presented it and modified it a couple of times after his claim. I expected him to be rather clear with his role out the gate if he was town, and it rang scummy to me when he started responding with changes. It did not help that it was unclear just how confirmable the role was, especially after he explained it. That being said, you're right, we should have at least kept him alive for one DP to get results, even if we only determined they were usable after he was lynched this DP. It was the end of the DP, I was busy, and I didn't have the opportunity to think it through as well as I should have.

Seriously, though, someone explain this to me: why did you both immediately jump on BK for a claim when he already had one?

i deserve all the flak for that lapse. I was typing from my phone, and hadn’t had my coffee yet, but I did not pause to think over who was being pressured (I at least made sure it was a low point of pressure, and tagged you to actually apply said pressure… but that’s instinct for me in this game)

P.S., I can’t do name changes. You can message Debateart.com, but he’s been inactive lately. So to currentlychang a name, you’d have to start a new account.

Start of a day, no coffee, was only half reading things. I see the start to the pressure for claim train, and did not cross reference.