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BLM: White people should recognize their privilege.

Me: Alright.  I recognize my privilege because I'm white.  I'm lucky to have this privilege.  I'm happy to have this privilege.  I'm proud to have this privilege.  I am Proud to be White.

BLM: Quit being racist!

Me: What?  Didn't you want me to recognize my privilege?  Oh; you wanted me to act sad about something you believe is good for me.  That doesn't make sense.  Nobody should be upset at a privilege they have even if others don't have it.  Imagine me saying, "I'm Ashamed that I was born really good at math and I resent this part about me."

It doesn't make sense.  If white privilege exists (just like any privilege), then I should be proud to have it.
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so your post is that being a complete asshole upsets people? my god.... this is a revelation. 
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@TheUnderdog
It's funny but this is kind of true.

Nobody isn't at least somewhat proud to have a big dick (unless too huge to be believable and easily fit) be tall, strong, good looking, nice voiced, good IQ etc.

You have a point and I've never understood why it's considered immoral or wrong to be proud to be white, straight etc if the others literally have pride marches for their sexuality or race neither of which they earned at all. It makes no sense to me whatsoever.

The argument 'they're underprivileged'is actually irrelevant. Are you saying a trailer park poor white guy can be super proud of being white then? In that case white privilege is defeated as a valid statement of this propaganda used.

Instead, I support the idea that all should either be proud or not proud and I lean towards not proud of things they didn't earn. Don't be ashamed, don't be proud, it's just there. Don't say 'I am unapologetically black and proud of it' because you did fuck all to earn that, your ancestors at most did and that's not you or your 'right to pride' more than a white person has for what their ancestors did to gain them privilege or lack thereof if underprivileged. It's all so asinine to me.

Pride in something you didn't earn is either completely okay or it is completely not okay, it can't possibly be less okay if you're on the winning end of things, so I do get your point and this has genuinely never made sense to me.
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I think where his point falls off is " I'm proud to have this privilege." You can be proud of being white. But being proud of the fact that other people get treated like shit makes you a shitty person. If everyone got treated the way white people get treated, then white people wouldn't have any privilege. So being proud of your privilege means you are proud that others are discriminated against. 
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I think where his point falls off is " I'm proud to have this privilege." You can be proud of being white. But being proud of the fact that other people get treated like shit makes you a shitty person. If everyone got treated the way white people get treated, then white people wouldn't have any privilege. So being proud of your privilege means you are proud that others are discriminated against. 
Not really. If you're:

big dick (unless too huge to be believable and easily fit) be tall, strong, good looking, nice voiced, good IQ etc.
you are also proud of your privilege or else there'd be a lot less to have pride or joy in regarding the trait.

If you're black and get affirmative action, black friends and even white people that fetishize you into you for that reason, you may actually enjoy some privileges you'd otherwise lack.

If you're a native in any Asian country rn you have a lot more privilege than anyone that looks like a foreigner does (literally any, they don't care if the native lived abroad and the foreign looking one never set foot outside the country). There's racist pride all over the world for the majority tribe/race and natives in general. It's literally the privilege of being the 'in-crowd' that your pride is based on. Why are you proud to be anything unless it's a winning thing to be in your eyes?
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@HistoryBuff
Let me put this very differently to you.

If you are Nigerian, Indian or whatever else, nobody at all who isn't racist would hold you at all accountable for what some corrupt people of your race even if in your family's ancestry did. Many did this to those that are on bloodlines of Nazi regime soldiers esp higher ranking ones. It's wrong and unfair.

Yet this is what is being done to white people. We don't hold all Japanese responsible for what some Samurai psychopaths did, not do we to Peruvians for cannibal tribes nor rapist invaders of the past if they're down that bloodline. It makes no sense to specifically target white people for this bloodline guilt.
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@RationalMadman
There's racist pride all over the world for the majority tribe/race and natives in general.
this is equally wrong. Being proud that other people are "less than" you is wrong. Whether the person doing it is white, black or chinese. 

It's literally the privilege of being the 'in-crowd' that your pride is based on.
you have accurately described racism, yes. is your point that racism is good?

Why are you proud to be anything unless it's a winning thing to be in your eyes?
lots of people are proud of their heritage without it being a "winning" thing. Irish history is not exactly full of winning, but there are millions of people proud of irish ancestry. I'm sure lots of people are proud of the "winning", but many people are just proud of knowing where they come from.
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If you are Nigerian, Indian or whatever else, nobody at all who isn't racist would hold you at all accountable for what some corrupt people of your race even if in your family's ancestry did.
I don't think this is true. Holding people accountable for what family members have done is sadly quite common. Banks do it every day. 

 It's wrong and unfair.
agreed.

Yet this is what is being done to white people. We don't hold all Japanese responsible for what some Samurai psychopaths did, not do we to Peruvians for cannibal tribes nor rapist invaders of the past if they're down that bloodline. It makes no sense to specifically target white people for this bloodline guilt.
you are comparing a one time event, to something that has gone on for centuries. The nazi's were horrible. After the war, the Germans admitted their guilt. Made attempts at restitution and haven't continued those types of things. Black people are still systematically mistreated in America to this day. They get arrested at higher rates. They get longer prison sentences for the same crime than white people. I can go on and on. This isn't some historical event that happened hundreds of years ago that people won't let go. This is an ongoing issue that has it's roots hundreds of years ago. Your examples are simply fundamentally different. 
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Idk what you're talking about at this point. I have heard it with Nazis and Germans or something but generally you don't get people going up to randomly associated ethinicities and holding them responsible for the atrocities done in the past by their ethnic ancestors except for white people.
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To anyone who is proud of their ethnicity their ethnicity has to be somewhat superior in their prideful mind, it's natural and innate to anyone who feels that way. Even if it isn't rational to you. Caucasian ethnicities in general are being more and more consistently taught that this is genuinely evil to feel while it's far, far less consistent with ethnicities associated AKA falling under the umbrella of other races that this is taught, sometimes the opposite is.
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@HistoryBuff
you are comparing a one time event, to something that has gone on for centuries. The nazi's were horrible. After the war, the Germans admitted their guilt. Made attempts at restitution and haven't continued those types of things. Black people are still systematically mistreated in America to this day. 
How exactly? At the moment they're committing disproportionate crimes and if that's due to systemic poverty and fatherless households that's a separate argument to saying the system is still rigged against them actively rather than passively.

Unless you support completely eradicating inheritance and forcing all people in the nation to be collectively parented by state upbringing, there will always be an unfair edge to whoever is raised better and that is somewhat correlated with having wealthier parents not that wealthy parents can't be shit-tier parents.
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The most intersectionally oppressed group is straight, white, cisgender males specifically because they are the only group that isn't seen as oppressed.

Nobody cares about them, whereas every other group has a pity party in their honor. Everyone else can be treated better and get away with more because not being racist against whites is racist and not being sexist against men is sexist etc.


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RM,

Its not about poverty, but its about lack of proper parenting.

Even wealthy parents who abuse their kids will have criminals, and poor parents who raise their kids well will raise good kids, except that lack of education on proper parenting usually comes with poverty as poor people have to work much more and generally have no time to dedicate to their kids.
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Poverty is part of it. If you don't have anything you are more likely to be angry at the world, more likely to steal or turn to organized crime to get things you want etc.

Plus a big part of it that is overlooked is the importance of diet. Poor people have less access to good food and the malnutrition that results causes them to be agitated and have more mental issues that can lead to criminal behaviour.
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I dont know why do poor people insist on eating so much, when its hunger which makes people happy, and not food.
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Because they have low quality food that isn't nutrient dense, so their bodies get addicted to the empty calories as they eat more and more looking for nutrients that aren't there.

Hunger doesn't make people happy, you're just weird. A balanced diet with a variety of high quality foods makes people happy.
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Actually, hunger does make people happy, as it makes you enjoy food more and re-directs your thoughts towards food so you arent depressed.

Even thirst works in same way, and even better because thirst is easier to tolerate than hunger.

Really, I dont understand vaginas who eat as soon as they feel a little bit hungry and must eat every 3 hours or they cry, as I sometimes spend days without food and even entire day without water, and anyone who cant do that is just weak.
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Idk what you're talking about at this point. I have heard it with Nazis and Germans or something but generally you don't get people going up to randomly associated ethinicities and holding them responsible for the atrocities done in the past by their ethnic ancestors except for white people.
my point is that the discrimination of those people is still ongoing. The nazi's actions towards jews was a one time event and then it stopped happening. White people mistreating black people happens constantly to this day. The slaves may have been freed, but they have never been treated as fully equal. 

To anyone who is proud of their ethnicity their ethnicity has to be somewhat superior in their prideful mind
this is just objectively false. You can be proud of your history and culture without deciding it is superior. It's just that the people who shove that pride in your face believe that. 

 How exactly? At the moment they're committing disproportionate crimes and if that's due to systemic poverty and fatherless households that's a separate argument to saying the system is still rigged against them actively rather than passively.
This is a bigger debate. But they also get charged disproportionately. A white person might get a warning or charges dropped, while a black person gets the book thrown at them. Saying they are charged with more crimes does not prove they commit more crimes.

Unless you support completely eradicating inheritance and forcing all people in the nation to be collectively parented by state upbringing, there will always be an unfair edge to whoever is raised better and that is somewhat correlated with having wealthier parents not that wealthy parents can't be shit-tier parents.
again, this gets into a bigger argument, but it's alot deeper than that. Black areas tend to have poorer schools. They less likely to be hired for jobs, be approved for renting a home etc. Trump himself had a scandal where his company was systematically refusing to rent to black people. Arguing the only problem black people have is upbringing is super shitty. 

Yes there will always be an unfair edge. But our society systematically increases this edge in countless ways.
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The most intersectionally oppressed group is straight, white, cisgender males specifically because they are the only group that isn't seen as oppressed.
lol, the group that gets the most power, money and best treatment in society is the most oppressed group. That is the most white nationalist statement I have ever heard. 

Nobody cares about them, whereas every other group has a pity party in their honor.
are you insane? Everyone cares about them, that is the whole point. They hold the vast majority of wealth, power and status. Those other groups get a "pity party" because they are systematically mistreated while white people aren't. Those other groups just want to be treated the way white people are. 

Everyone else can be treated better and get away with more because not being racist against whites is racist and not being sexist against men is sexist etc.
being treated like white people is what they want. It's what they have been fighting for. 
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@Best.Korea
That shit isn't healthy. People are happier when they feed their microbiome lots of fruits and vegetables so that it creates good neurochemicals. People are happier when they aren't deprived of calories or nutrients.

Your stupid unhealthy coping mechanism is going to fuck you up long term. You're the one who's being a "vagina" because you are running away from your feelings and slowly killing yourself instead of trying to improve your life.
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So your argument is that they want to be treated like white people are, but they don't want white people to be treated that way so you're basically admitting it's about changing which group is oppressed and which is privileged rather than equality.

It's true that there is a disproportionate number of whites who are wealthier and shit, but there are also whites who aren't. The privilege is "rich privilege" and not "white privilege".

Most people nowadays don't think whites are superior or deserve better treatment, the vast majority of people believe that whites are privileged and every other group than white/straight/cis/male deserves reparations at the expense of white/straight/cis/male. This means that white/straight/cis/male is the least likely to be given a job, the least likely to be treated better by default, the most likely to be targeted for their identities, the only group you can just straight up get away with hating and attacking without being charged or cancelled for hate crimes, and the only group that isn't allowed to be proud of their identity.

The biggest privileged/oppressed dynamic is gender/sex imo rather than race. Women are treated way better than men and just have it way easier in every way.


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@FishChaser
If you want to be a healthy vagina instead of warrior chad, then do so, but remember that health by itself is not beneficial nor you will ever be happy just because you are healthy, since true happiness comes from battle and not from eating leaves and whatever you are eating.
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That's stupid, eating leaves is good for your gut microbiome which is where neurochemicals are produced. Eating leaves literally makes you happier on a chemical level.

Battle is stupid, risking your life and physical injury is stupid. Smart people are pussies who highly value their own health and safety and would rather sit in the shade eating leaves then go to battle.

Being a warrior does not make you a Chad, only being born with genes that make you tall and handsome can make you a Chad.
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Well I know which I would prefer between a coal mine in Wales 300 ft below ground in  cold, dank, worse than piss poor conditions the 1800's and the free country air in the sunshine in the southern states in the same period.

White privilege my arse! WHITE Children as young as five were working in these deadly mines and many WHITES died.


I encourage any black person to go visit Big Pit in Wales , its now a museum.. Its a frightening, eye opening, soul destroying reminder of our WHITE privilege.
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So your argument is that they want to be treated like white people are, but they don't want white people to be treated that way
no, they want to be treated like white people. Full stop. They aren't saying they want white people to be treated badly. They are saying they want to be treated well. The problem is that how white people are treated is directly related to how they are treated. For example, a white person is more likely to be hired for a job than a black person even if they are equally qualified. If the black person was treated equally, then the white person wouldn't have an advantage in being hired. So by treating black people equally, white people would lose their advantage, and that could been seen as being treated worse. 

so you're basically admitting it's about changing which group is oppressed and which is privileged rather than equality.
no, I am not saying that at all. 

It's true that there is a disproportionate number of whites who are wealthier and shit, but there are also whites who aren't. The privilege is "rich privilege" and not "white privilege".
It seems like you are trying to use specific examples instead of looking at trends. It's like saying that I rode my bicycle without hitting my head, so it must be safe to do so. But in order to actually look at the issue, you have to look at the broader trends. How many people hit their head and get injuries etc. You only want to skim the surface of the issue. If you want to look at real "white privilage" you would look at how black people are much more likely to be charged with a crime than a white person who took the same action. How a black person is much more likely to be sentenced harshly for the same crime. How black people are much more likely to be denied access to a rental property based on their race (trump's company was found guilty of doing this). How white people are much more likely to be hired than a black person with the same skills. I can go on and on. The issue is systemic and found across all levels of society. 

Most people nowadays don't think whites are superior or deserve better treatment
This is fundamentally untrue. And you only have to look at statistics to see it is untrue. People may not consciously decide to treat white people better, but they do. 

The biggest privileged/oppressed dynamic is gender/sex imo rather than race. Women are treated way better than men and just have it way easier in every way.
It's astounding to me than white men can play the victim this hard. They have literally all the benefits. They make more money than all other groups. They have an easier time getting hired than any other group. That have the vast majority of political and financial power. But they love crying about how downtrodden they are. I always find it hilarious. And the funniest part is that the people crying about it the hardest are usually the ones who think they are an "alpha male". 
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Battle is stupid, risking your life and physical injury is stupid. Smart people are pussies who highly value their own health and safety and would rather sit in the shade eating leaves then go to battle.
If you want to spend life eating leaves and never doing anything significant, and then die and perish, who am I to stop you? As it stands, we will both die and perish, but only one of us will live life in battle and glory and the other will eat leaves and do nothing significant or fun.
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They aren't saying they want white people to be treated badly.
You're underestimating how much other groups don't care about or are resentful of white people. There are tons of black people who hate white people while also thinking that it is impossible for blacks to be racist because their definition only includes systemic racism and they delude themselves into thinking they are so oppressed as an excuse to act like entitled SJW douche bags.

 

 For example, a white person is more likely to be hired for a job 
No, affirmative action and the inclusivity policy of most companies make it so that they are more likely to think about increasing the hiring of every group other than white/straight/cis/male. The perception that blacks and other groups are hired less and that it still needs to be fixed is exactly what makes them more likely to be hired.



The issue is systemic and found across all levels of society. 
How do you know? My experience is that blacks are currently more likely to hate whites than whites are to hate blacks.


People may not consciously decide to treat white people better, but they do. 

Everyone is more likely to treat people who look like them better. Whites however are the only ones saying "I'm so sorry I'm white" to the people saying "fuck you, you privileged scum. You owe us reparations".


They make more money than all other groups. They have an easier time getting hired than any other group. That have the vast majority of political and financial power. 

Absolutely none of this applies to me. All I see is blacks who are angry at me and think I owe them something and women who think I'm subhuman because I'm not attractive and normal enough.

 

 But they love crying about how downtrodden they are.
I am literally dehumanized on a regular basis.



 And the funniest part is that the people crying about it the hardest are usually the ones who think they are an "alpha male". 
I'm a zeta male.
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You are literally a scrawny autistic nerd who sits on his computer and trolls people all day. You have never seen battle in your life and if you did you would be even more of a moron than you already are.
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You can attack me all you want, and I dont want to attack you but lets face it, the fact of the matter is that I do battles here all day and I do battles in games, so I am a warrior because I attack people to take their happiness so I am happy, as I know that they were defeated by me. With such sense of success, I become happy because I know that there was a battle and that they tried to destroy me and my happiness, but I destroyed their happiness completely and took it for myself. Such is this world, where creatures feed on misery of others, and if you wanna be eating leaves, just know that I was vegan for a year and it was horrible as I was delusional, since human happiness is contingent on causing suffering to others, and you cannot even be happy if no one suffers.
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There are tons of black people who hate white people while also thinking that it is impossible for blacks to be racist because their definition only includes systemic racism and they delude themselves into thinking they are so oppressed as an excuse to act like entitled SJW douche bags.
uh huh. there are racist black people. I don't know how you think that supports your point. 

No, affirmative action and the inclusivity policy of most companies make it so that they are more likely to think about increasing the hiring of every group other than white/straight/cis/male.
lol, no. It makes it more likely they hire a few token people from minorities. But look at powerful positions at most companies and you will find they are overwhelmingly white and male. 

How do you know?
statistics, research studies. 

My experience is that blacks are currently more likely to hate whites than whites are to hate blacks.
and that means exactly nothing. That is one person's biased opinion. If you want to actually look at the topic, you need peer reviewed research. 

Everyone is more likely to treat people who look like them better. 
yes. we call that racism. That is my point. White people get treated better at all levels of society. Is that an admission that you are wrong?

All I see is blacks who are angry at me 
based on the arguments you are making, the smart money would be on that you said something racist. 

and women who think I'm subhuman because I'm not attractive and normal enough.
You being unattractive and unlikeable doesn't really have anything to do with this subject. But it does shed some light on why you believe these things and play victim.

I am literally dehumanized on a regular basis.
I can't really comment on your personal experience. I don't know anything about you. But even if I did, one person's experience is not really relevant to a discussion on societal racism. Maybe you just live in a bad area. Maybe you're a jerk and people don't like you and you choose to interpret that at racism. I couldn't really say.