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@Bullish
how tf did u talk urself into believing this
The only thing which prevented me was your careless vote after I specifically told you not to vote.

You voted before Gp even posted.

I know, I am not your boss, but try to win next time.
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@ILikePie5
You just make false claims.

You are not skilled if town is helping you lynch doctor.

Thats just town being troll and you being lucky.
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@Best.Korea
You just make false claims.

You are not skilled if town is helping you lynch doctor.

Thats just town being troll and you being lucky.

My only response: why do you think experienced townies thought you were scummy.
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@ILikePie5
Before you make any more false claims...

Town only needed 3 mislynches in a row to lose.

You know that.

You had those 3 mislynches.

You had 3 players: joe, 7000, and wylted, doing everything to look scum and be lynched to make 3 mislynches.

You didnt win this due to skill, but the fact that both joe and 7000 lynched themselves, and Wylted being as scummy as town can be.

They handed you the win.

They didnt even try.
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It’s not scummy to defend your townread. Period.
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It’s scummy to not provide reasoning for votes
It’s scummy to call someone scummy for defending their town read.
It’s scummy to not even try to look for another scum
It’s scummy to tunnel vision 
It’s scummy to not cooperate with known town members
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@ILikePie5
I dont see what you dont understand.

Almost everyone read 7000 and joe as scum because they did everything to make that happen from dp1.

You had 2 guaranteed town mislynches for free, you didnt even have to try.

I even managed somehow to save joe in dp2, and he thanked me by almost lynching me.

The game was set in your favor from the start. Even if you went almost inactive, town would still lynch 7000, wylted and joe.

They were what gave you the win.

And to call me the worst player is just dishonest behavior on your part.
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@RationalMadman
So, how does arguing who sucked at the game more equal reviewing the game. Because I’m pretty sure you can reveal the game on your own instead of saying how someone is trolling. And if you do do it with others I’m betting it’s doesn’t involve arguing. 
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@Best.Korea
Idc about this stupid discussion but I did not troll purposely. The way you’re making it act like is that I was voting you without evidence. Oh wait, that’s what YOU did. Wether pie was scum or not, that’s why I was voting you.
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@JoeBob
Idc about this stupid discussion but I did not troll purposely. The way you’re making it act like is that I was voting you without evidence. Oh wait, that’s what YOU did. Whether pie was scum or not, that’s why I was voting you.
You were actually trying. Listening to people. Asking for answers to your questions. You did relatively fine for a newbie.
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@ILikePie5
Thanks. I admit that I shouldn’t have voted 7k in the beginning though. That was on me.
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@Best.Korea
I dont see what you dont understand.

Almost everyone read 7000 and joe as scum because they did everything to make that happen from dp1.
7000series threw, but he’s a noob and he’s a vanilla. JoeBob was still trying and the fact I couldn’t get a lynch on him DP2 means something.

You had 2 guaranteed town mislynches for free, you didnt even have to try.
I did. 7000series and you. I chose Wylted over you.

I even managed somehow to save joe in dp2, and he thanked me by almost lynching me.
Joe did great for a newbie.

The game was set in your favor from the start. Even if you went almost inactive, town would still lynch 7000, wylted and joe.
Not necessarily lol

They were what gave you the win.

And to call me the worst player is just dishonest behavior on your part.
No it’s not. Any objective person can construe you as LVP. Wylted, Bullish, Mharman. Even WF. I could bring Lunatic on and he’d agree for sure.
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@Best.Korea
The game was set in your favor from the start. Even if you went almost inactive, town would still lynch 7000, wylted and joe.
I would have lynched GP on dp3. 
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I didn't look scummy. Here is koreas logic

I scum read Pie and wylted is defending him therefore wylted is even more scummy than pie and he should be lynched.

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@RationalMadman
ur right about 1 thing and that's I was lazy.
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@WyIted
I was reading pie mainly off of you that's why I said I "buy" your post not "agree" with it
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@Best.Korea
I can tell you're gonna become a good mafia player one day, cause you got the 2 necessary qualities: 1) argumentative 2) self-righteous.
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@Bullish
I was reading pie mainly off of you that's why I said I "buy" your post not "agree" with it
I usually have him pegged well. I fucked up. I didn't fuck up as badly as korea though and ifbI survived into DP3 I think I could have did a better job of keeping am open mind than korea
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Self righteousness is an important quality though so he has one thing Austin lacks
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@JoeBob
So, how does arguing who sucked at the game more equal reviewing the game. Because I’m pretty sure you can reveal the game on your own instead of saying how someone is trolling. And if you do do it with others I’m betting it’s doesn’t involve arguing. 
you are right, i've tried too much in this thread to help people realise their flaws and improve.

Let them believe they're as good as they think, let those willing to improve learn. 
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This is the biggest point where Wylted was flat out wrong and Austin, a former noob turned novice (not even amateur yet) who has only somewhat played any mafia was spot on:

Wylted's admittance that he'd let himself be tricked by behaviour even if the mechanics of a setup dictate him to disregard his wrong read: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10658/posts/430802

What he replied to, which was extremely sober thinking by Austin amongst a relatively off-their-heads Town:

Start to end, fakeclaiming vanilla and all of it, Wylted fucked Town the worst of all players during DP2 but I can't even blame him that hard because of how little Bullish tried and how nonsensical Joebob's logic was.

You can take from this, anyone at all, and mimic what I say is right and discard what I say is wrong in a playstyle and reasoning or you can ignore me and encourage it. Choice is yours.
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@Bullish
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@JoeBob
Yea, I'm not really sure what to say. I put quite a bit of effort into this game and I definitely could have played better, but I will say that the rest of town wasn't making that task too easy.

BK: You were fine, but try to remain rational and convincing. You looked pretty anti-town at the beginning of DP2, you were lucky to have a PR.
Bullish: I would think an experienced player wouldn't sheep so hard, but maybe there was some logic behind it.
Joebob: You're new, try to get some of your own reads. Also focus on what helps town the most, not just self-preservation and looking town.
Wylted: I'm going to give you NK-Immune Hated Miller CPR Doctor in my upcoming game.
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@AustinL0926
I'm going to give you NK-Immune Hated Miller CPR Doctor in my upcoming game.
Thanks .

I will saybi am bad at fake claiming so if you make me scum please give me one. Although I usually lose fights in the scum chat and the other guy typically gets the fake claim so we'll see what happens
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I would say your failing was also being unwilling to negotiate a lynch. You also seemed to have a scum read on pue and for some reason thought you would just throw that scum read away and vote me for protecting pie. It was weird. 

If we kept our options open than perhaps joebob was the lynch and then I could have negotiated a lynch of GP with bullish and bullied korea into coming along
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@Bullish
I do need to change the way I play.

I dont see why I put this much effort if no one else is putting much effort.

I try while others sit back.

I too should sit back,

maybe make 5 posts per dp, 15 max.

My mistake was making 200 posts in dp2.

Its not necessary to make that many posts, as town player's reads and lynching strategy are literally less reliable than random tarot guessing, which I also proved beyond doubt in dp2.

I should have just been quiet and let town lynch joe in dp2.

They were heading for that, and I was an idiot for even wanting to stop them.

I shouldnt really put any effort into saving town people from being lynched by town people from now on.

It clearly doesnt pay off.
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Negotiating votes in mafia has made me realize what being a politician is really all about.
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@Best.Korea
I shouldnt really put any effort into saving town people from being lynched by town people from now on.
If a town player like Joe is in that many scum pools it isn't going to hurt to lynch him. You didn't town read him though. He was a null read to you at best. There is zero reason not to be willing to narrow your pile by lynching a null read
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@Bullish
Being president of the site has helped me . It's not as easy as ideologues think. I acco.plished some things I wanted to and stepped down and even what I accomplished such as an improved COC seems ignored it didn't make it on the link to he site COC. Not last I checked anyway. 

I had to negotiate with a lot of different parties including the parties that shouldn't have influence over the COC such as mods but who have to enforce it so really need to buy into it. 

In this game I think me and you both were willing to lynch somebody other than BK and in fact preferred to but nobody else would negotiate with us to look at other lynches outside of a very narrow amount of people. It makes me hesitant to votepoliticians with ideological blinders on for the same reason
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@WyIted
If a town player like Joe is in that many scum pools it isn't going to hurt to lynch him.
From now on, thats how I will play.

I was too focused on town as a whole, when I should just be caring about my own survival and not even give a fuck if town is heading for a mislynch as long as its not me.

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@Best.Korea
We all make mistakes, it isn't a big deal. However you do see how lynching null reads still moves us closer to lynching scum don't you?