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# Effort

Pie uses different language when town vs scum. He also seems less invested in the game as scum.


Pie tags everyone he can and tries to get some pressure going. Already likely too much effort to really qualify him as scum.

don't confuse him arguing with RM last game as effort either it takes very little effort to point out that RM is a jack ass. It's actually a bit fun to do.

He just doesn't try as hard as scum.

# Breaking up reads/Fluff

Pie wants to appear active as scum and struggles to make up bullshit reasons for his reads so he generates activity by breaking up reads. Here is how he broke up reads last game and it is completely missing from this game.


Scum game accuses somebody of WIFOM to break up a read. Breaking up a read simulates effort to find scum and is one of the lesser known scum behaviors. He also spends a lot of time with similar behavior criticizing his RM's vote on 7k and then criticizing 7k for not responding to RVS . Stuff that really isn't scum hunting but kinda attempts to look like it.

# Overly Kind

Pie is uncomfortable with confrontation but this slips when he is passionate about something such as catching scum. Notice he is more antagonistic towards those who disagree with his reads this game, and in the last game he was being overly friendly.

as Scum


Kindly points out an odd behavior instead of attacking for it

A few lines later friendly welcomes Austin instead of a neutral welcome


Later on the same page makes a polite request and fully spells out the word please. Notice his politeness and grammar both improve as scum.


Calls GP a bestie but doesn't buddy him in current game


Another polite request from somebody who is typically a dick


# Pie wants to be caught

The whole time as scum pie is hinting that he is scum and knows for a fact RM is scum. Notice that in current game he scum read 7k but did not claim to know for a fact he was scum or hint at other inside knowledge.

There are many examples of confessions of being scum the last game especially in DP2 but here is one in DP1 that is funny. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10597-wylted-mafia-dp1?page=3&post_number=82

A lot of the stuff I can not put into words that I am picking up on but he is definitely town.

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I can't softclaim because any softclaim I make will be too obvious. Take that as my softclaim.
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I want to lynch BK but also I kind of don't, because if he actually turns out to be doc we're gonna look like a bunch of clowns.
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You could always cheat like orimagi gets away with and use a cryptogram
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@Best.Korea
I am not changing my vote.

If you guys want to lynch Joe, you have enough votes to do so without me.

There are 5 town players, so even without me, you still have at least 4 necessary town votes.

But if Joe turns town, then at least one of 4 votes on him would be scum for sure.
So you’re not willing to lynch Joe at all? Why do you town read Joe?
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@Bullish
I want to lynch BK but also I kind of don't, because if he actually turns out to be doc we're gonna look like a bunch of clowns.
I’m fine with that because he has been nothing else but scummy. You should seriously consider JoeBob though


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I think we have enough for joebob and when I read DP1 of last game, despite it being his first game he gave a reason for hammering 7k in that game while he refused to give a reason in this game so his behavior is inconsistent
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Imma need a real reason why you protected me
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@Bullish
I think BK is town doc and Wylted is scum. SKUM!!!!
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BK:

Well, if you want to go with the least likely theory of me being scum doing some advanced strategy and faking doctor, go for it.
This makes it sound more likely IMO that BK is a gambit player.
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Who do yall want to lynch
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I've made many clown moves in my life so what's one more?

I'm gonna vote BK in a few hours unless he comes up  with some really convincing reason for doccing me last night.
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@Bullish

Well, if you want to go with the least likely theory of me being scum doing some advanced strategy and faking doctor, go for it.
This makes it sound more likely IMO that BK is a gambit player.
I didn't pick up on it before but it does sound like bragging about having advanced strategy
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@Bullish
I want to lynch BK but also I kind of don't, because if he actually turns out to be doc we're gonna look like a bunch of clowns.
Well stated.
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Okay somebody has to pull the trigger.

vtl best.korea
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Still willing to lunch to joe
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@JoeBob
I guess we have to pull the trigger now. Congrats on surviving this DP. Let's vote vest.korea
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I am going offline for a few hours. I need sleep.
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Lynching him advances the game no matter what. We might as well putt the trigger before mharman falls asleep and leaves us with an uncomfortably long twilight. Best korea also deserves it for taking joebob off the table
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@JoeBob
DO NOT VOTE BK. Typing up stuff rn at home.
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@AustinL0926
Your vote is literally on nobody so you have no counter lynch
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@JoeBob
Ok, by this point, I am 80% certain that the 2 scum are out of Wylted, Pie, and Bullish (and potentially GP).

Look at Pie and Wylted's interactions. They have been leading town in circles all game and taking the path of least resistance in order to appear active. They are searching for the easiest lynch they can find and justify. Look at how quickly the lynch on 7k developed on day 1. Does that seem natural to you? Town players are hesitant; and they should be, because THEY CAN NEVER BE SURE who is mafia.

Furthermore, look how Pie in particular constantly redirects attention to try and get what he wants: a BK or you lynch.

You all need to say what y’all want to do. Especially you Austin because I townread you 
This post raised a red flag the moment I saw it. Pie is never this nice (no offense Pie). He is trying to buddy me because townies like to be townread, because being townread means that the other person must be on their side, right?

There's a lot more but I want to get this posted before something dumb happens. But TLDR: Pie and Wylted are taking the path of least resistance to appear town, not actually helping town.
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@WyIted
I'm about 2 milliseconds away from voting you. I sincerely hope you're scum because there's no way you can be throwing this hard as town.
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@AustinL0926
You don't get to decide this lynch. Sorry. 
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Vote Count (per someone's request)
Wylted (2/4) - Greyparrot, BestKorea
JoeBob (1/4) - Pie
BestKorea (1/4) - JoeBob

-[MHARMAN]
Joebob is already voting BK. Tell me how asking him to vote BK isn't a scumslip?
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@WyIted
BK is town bich.  But I will hammer him if you want.

Town is doomed.
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Me failing to look at the current vote count is a scum slip? 
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@JoeBob
Please explain how lynching a mechanically likely PR is a good idea. That's all I want.
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@Greyparrot
Yes and I think the scum pool is narrow enough that even if BK is town it is no big deal. Especially since he is anti town