Christians do not act Christ like

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Many fundamentalist Christians have opinions that directly contradict what Jesus said:
  • Guns for self defence, when Jesus said to turn the other cheek, and told Peter not to raise his sword
  • Deporting immigrants, maltreating the poor and homeless, and letting prisoners rot like animals --- when Jesus said to treat these specific groups better
  • Dickriding capitalists like Elon Musk and supporting low taxes for the rich, when Jesus said the rich man getting to heaven is very unlikely, and that resources should go to the poor

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Bruh 

Guns for self defence, when Jesus said to turn the other cheek, and told Peter not to raise his sword
He told Peter not to raise his sword because he has a death wish and turning the other cheek was because Roman soldiers were only allowed to slap you with the back of their left hand so you turn the other cheek to force him to bitch smack you s an equal and thus break rules for the soldiers and increase his likelihood of punishment. 

That nigga was at the temple flipping tables and driving away merchants with a bull whip. 


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Deporting immigrants, maltreating the poor and homeless, and letting prisoners rot like animals ---
Conservatives are pro immigration but just want the borders to be secure also they have economic policies that mean fewer poor people so they are helping the poor in that way
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Dickriding capitalists like Elon Musk and supporting low taxes for the rich, when Jesus said the rich man getting to heaven is very unlikely, and that resources should go to the poor
We support low taxes for everyone.  Part of the reason is Jesu commanded we give our money to he poor, which is literally impossible if the government is stealing it before we get the opportunity 
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The hard right and the liberal left.

Same old Same old, as it was 2000 or so years ago.

Didn't do J any good, because they nailed him to a post.


2000 or so years later and what J might have said is largely forgotten.

And I doubt that J was anything more than a charismatic liberal lefty.

Son of a loose woman and a charismatic lothario named Ged.


Obviously they mistook the E for an O.


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Preaching to the choir.
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what Jesus said:
  • Jesus said
  • when Jesus said 
  • Jesus said
Well Jesus said a lot of things (or the gospel writers put a lot of words in his mouth)  that appear to contradict himself or would be outright lies.



Equal then not equal

 John 10:30 " I and the Father are one".   

John 14:28  “ I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I" .

I judge then I don't judge 

John 5:22 , 30. " Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son.  By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just".

John 8:15     " You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one.

John 12:47  " I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world.


I am my own witness and it is true. Then It is not true.

John 8:14  “Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid, for I know where I came from and where I am going".

John 5:31   “If I testify about myself, my testimony is not true.

Man is not my witness. Man is my witness .

John 33-34   “You have sent to John and he has testified to the truth. 34 Not that I accept human testimony; but I mention it that you may be saved.

John 15:27  "And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.


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He told Peter not to raise his sword because he has a death wish.

Good advice considering they were outnumbered by about 10 to 1.

Jesus also told his disciples to arm themselves even at the cost of selling their coats.









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@Benjamin
any fundamentalist Christians have opinions that directly contradict what Jesus said:
  • Guns for self defence, when Jesus said to turn the other cheek, and told Peter not to raise his sword
  • Deporting immigrants, maltreating the poor and homeless, and letting prisoners rot like animals --- when Jesus said to treat these specific groups better
  • Dickriding capitalists like Elon Musk and supporting low taxes for the rich, when Jesus said the rich man getting to heaven is very unlikely, and that resources should go to the poor
It'd be a better argument if you used biblical criteria rather than cultural criteria.

Guns for self defence is legitimate and biblical. Turning the other cheek is in relation to being persecuted as a Christian. Quite a different thing in relation to ordinary self-defence. Also, in America, guns for self-defence is in relation to tyranny of the government. That means a genuine concern for separation of church and state. Jesus also told Peter to go and buy swords. 

I suspect Christians don't support maltreating people. Either the poor or the homeless. I also suspect they don't agree with letting prisoners rot like animals. They may support deporting illegal immigrants. They probably do support the death penalty. They probably do think that prisons should not be a camp away from home. 

Do Christians support people like Elon Musk? It's hard to say. Some might like some of his ideas. And some might dislike some of his ideas. The same applies for many people who are not Christians too. I support low taxes because low taxes means small government and that is a very biblical idea. Jesus actually said it was impossible for a rich man to get to heaven. In fact he said it was IMPOSSIBLE for any person to get to heaven. And the reason for that is no one gets there by themselves. It is God who does the impossible, not man.  

I think Benjamin that you have a distorted view of Christianity and a distorted view of culture. And you don't understand what is biblical and what is not. But at least you are thinking about it. And that dear Benjamin is a good thing. 
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What I mean is that I know christians with those excact views, and that I think these people don't realize what Jesus was actually all about. Not al Christians are like this.
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We can see what you meant. I've people from every walk of life with those same views. It's the result of being human, not a Christian. 

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Thats my point. Jesus would not inspire you to have those views, quite the opposite.
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I have those views. And I got my views from the Bible and from Jesus. 

Although the issue in relation to immigration is not quite right. I believe in open boarders. That we should get rid of passports and visas. etc. 

I think Elon Musk is much better than Bill Gates. And although he is not a Christian, his ideas - well some of them are more for freedom than against. 

Capitalism is a Christian idea. It springs from the OT - the puritan work ethic. I am sure you have heard of it. It goes against centralisation. Centralisation is non-christian idea. 


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Many fundamentalist Christians have opinions that directly contradict what Jesus said:
  • Guns for self defence, when Jesus said to turn the other cheek, and told Peter not to raise his sword
  • Deporting immigrants, maltreating the poor and homeless, and letting prisoners rot like animals --- when Jesus said to treat these specific groups better
  • Dickriding capitalists like Elon Musk and supporting low taxes for the rich, when Jesus said the rich man getting to heaven is very unlikely, and that resources should go to the poor
The wealthy Christians don’t want to end up like Jesus a poor unemployed wanderer. They don’t want to give up their wealth either. Like Trump they believe being wealthy is a success story.