- Pie's idea to vote Joebob and 7kseries is taken from me.
False. RM was voting randomly without reason. I voted Joe and 7k to gather information, just like I always do in every game.
- He even mentioned me in doing so and said he wanted to vote me off, meaning he was making a (jokey) reference acknowledging my presence in the game before the mimickery.
Yes cause I have beef with RM from our previous game. But as a townie I put that to the side because it is a new game and it’s been a while. RM reinstigates it by calling it fluff which is not affiliation indicative by any means
- Later he denies he mimicked me or joined my bandwagon idea on the pair.
This is just false. I wagoned Joe first to get information and 7k. Joe provided the information and 7k had not, so I changed my vote to 7k. RM was randomly voting 7k to get reactions or whatever.
- Rewind, Pie forgets I am continually pressuring 7kSeries and @s me
False. RM just left his vote on 7k and didn’t say anything else to him. I repeatedly pinged 7k and JoeBob for the information. Look up RVS in the guide. That’s what he was doing. I wasn’t RVS; I was voting for a reason (information)
- He tries to suggest I can 'slip' in an open setup game where everyone sees mafia are 2 members who kill 1 per night, because I told you (joebob) that 2 murderers/killers are in the game. This 'slip' can't even be from the 2 mafia who know there's 1 killer in the game but he says 'know something we don't?' type of framing. He's fillering already in DP1.
It’s not fillering. Look at it from this perspective. Town know that there are only 2 mafia and with that comes only a factional night kill (only one). By stating there are 2 killers, it can be inferred that there can be two deaths at night, which is why I asked the question. RM responded something like there’s one factional kill and I dropped the matter because I misunderstood what he meant. Funny that he chooses to relitigate this.
- DP2 gets going, he votes me. He does this believing 3 vanillas remain.
That is correct, I didn’t clearly read. I’m a skimmer. I have no problem admitting it. You can tell I’m a skimmer cause I did it DP1 and RM is calling me out for it cause I tagged him when I shouldn’t have. This makes no sense. Either way, my analysis did not change.
- If he believed 3 vanillas remained, we are yet to see why he scumreads me which turns out to suddenly be because of my logic which realised the dead person was vanilla and believe greyparrot's PM reveal had to be legitimate proof he was vanilla with me.
Yes, RM pointed it out to me, and I even acknowledged it. It’s not like I double downed on it. However, him pointing this out didn’t change my overall conclusion. At that point in time, to me GP was town cause of the PM thing (I hadn’t gone back and read everything and reevaluated). I know I’m town and therefore last scum is between Joe and Austin. However one of those two is BG. So the only scum teams possible for me were RM/Austin and RM/Joe at that time, which is why I voted RM.
- Even after I state this he supposedly acknowledges his mistake and changes narrative again and again to say I slipped where I didn't. He says me not unvoting 7kseries Day 1 to vote him (Pie) is some kind of a slip when I would be risking voting off not only Town but a Power Role and even worse 7kseries already had a vote on me, it takes 2 more with 1 switching from the 7kseries bandwagon to mess that up hard and vote me off or it takes only 1 from it to make a tie on a day we had every reason to vote.
This is just exactly my point. RM cares only about himself and his survival. That’s why he has been constantly going after me. It’s not wrong to criticize someone for scum reading someone and not voting them toward the middle of the DP. Notice also that RM responds to GP specifically and not anyone else and says it’s too late, meaning that he wanted 7k to be voted out. I’m not afraid to die.
- Pie and Austin seem to know and firmly believe that Wylted reveals full Town PMs to mafia which is a strange and abusive mod tactic I haven't heard of before on here ever being done.
I did not at the beginning. As town it’s my job to scumhunt and constantly reevaluate my priors. I realized that it’s conceivable that Wylted gave town a sample PM as is common practice on DebateArt. Even if he didn’t, the role PM for a goon mafia would be exactly the same cause a goon is a vanilla mafia. RM knows full well that using PM structure and stuff to win the game is flawed
- I don't know why they think I know that or why I'd assume that GP asked what vanillas are sent, realised the lack of role wasn't Wylted fucking up what he's revealing and claimed that he had no role to make other vanillas instantly townread him. What kind of a batshit crazy gambit is that? If mafia was told 'you win with town' is what the vanilla townies were sent, within minutes of the game starting would GP as mafia assume Wylted didn't just miss out the 'you are vanilla'? Why were Austin and Pie so sure mafia were sent it?
I wasn’t sure it was sent. I merely thought about it, like it’s my job to do as a town trying to figure out who scum are. I asked Wylted and he publically confirmed that he sent it to scum. GP’s MO is to always say his role beforehand. To keep up with that he had to say something.
- Among those strange posts, Austin read GP saying to you he believes Austin and Pie are the team as GP saying I can't be in the team. He literally uses that as GP saying it's impossible I am scum which GP never said. Austin is lying to you and appealing to you rapidly and constantly since you out, as is Pie while I stay engaging all players because I'm still gathering data and especially since Wylted outed mafia get told mafia are sent town PMs I have to reconsider (but still believe in) my townread on GP.
I’m not lying to you. Everything I’ve done this game is exactly what I’ve done in past games. I’ve pointed out my logic.
- If you read through Austin's logic the entire day phase, he has never not even once explained why he townreads Pie because the exact same reason he scumread me originally (that I was voting Pie while saying I belive Austin is nearly 100% scum as I figured it's a 3 way vanilla cc as I thoguht GP can't out what he did as mafia) is applicable to Pie who was voting me while saying he knew Austin was scum despite simulataneously saying he didn't because he somehow both reckoned that mafia got sent Town's PMs and yet thought GP was town for what he outed and then went back on that as soon as it suited him by utter nonsensical gaslighting logic where you can't coherently follow what he believed in that regard.
I didn’t vote RM cause he was voting me. I was voting him because he was most likely to be scum from my POV before I townread GP and after I scumread GP. I still am not 100% who is town in between Austin and GP, though I am leaning toward Austin being town.
