As a Trump hater, I don't trust billionaire owned media. Even if they hate Trump too.
You don’t hate Trump. You have never been critical of him.
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@n8nrgim
You have a tendency in these trump bashing threads to overlook that a lot of his supporters largely agree with him on substantive conservative issues.
And those conservatives could support plenty of other sane candidates who share their views, yet they overwhelmingly break for Trump.
I think that "I care about policy" narrative is mostly bullshit. These are largely the same people who supported impeaching Bill Clinton because he lied about a blow job and spent the past 20 years preaching to us about how character matters. Now all of a sudden character is not really important, it's all about policy? Please.
But setting that aside, this thread is about confronting a very simple fact; Trump does not have any respect for our constitution and will do everything he will be allowed to get away with to destroy our democracy. That's not hyperbole, he's already tried and history has already shown is what it looks like when someone like him is able to play out their intentions.
To be honest, I'm not sure which is worse; those who love Trump and everything he stands for or those who recognize how terrible he is and still make excuses to justify voting for him. Even if you really do care about policy, what policy is worth tanking the constitution over? At least those who love Trump have deluded themselves to the point where they might really genuinely believe he's not the political monster he is. Those who see his terribleness have no excuse at all, that to me seems even more dishonest.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
You don’t hate Trump. You have never been critical of him.
And attacks everyone who is by calling them deranged...
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@Double_R
No but I wish he was.
His response to the 2020 riots was severely lacking
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@Dr.Franklin
Good point. You can't restore the rule of law without being an authoritarian.
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@Double_R
And attacks everyone who is by calling them deranged...
I don't personally attack you, lol. Are you projecting?
What's deranged is presenting hyperbole as reality. Trump was a weak president in 2016 and will be again a weak president.
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@Double_R
I would say a half of conservatives want another pick than trump. Plus a lot who support him in the primary r prob only doing it as a strategy and not actually their first pick. Another quarter think he sucks as a person but effective at the job and they agree on the issues. Another quarter think he can do no wrong and r brainwashed. Does this sound about right to you? We gotta consider that a Lotta folks r apolitical, so if u really break down how many folks make up those portions, I wouldn't say the country is as crazy as you might think. But yea Maybe 1 in 5 people need a swift kick in the butt and 1 in 10 r deluded
It's tempting to think half the country is just nuts. I think if we're about to make an assumption that big, we gotta be careful
I think when Trump becomes President he will put all Democrats in Concentration Camps. I heard that Jared is starting a company to build gas ovens.
That is why I am now registered as a Republican.
i do acknowledge that it's dangerous to let facists like trump in power... and it's stupid of voters to support him and think this way, but many of them probably dont take what trump says or does seriously. the loosely support him, and otherwise think of him as 'crazy uncle don', like a crazy uncle.
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@Double_R
C) If not an attempt to further condition your supporters into thinking political violence is acceptable, please explain what this was.
Your side doesn’t get to lecture about political violence lol. It’s not unique to the right.
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@ILikePie5
Congress had to evacuate due to far left protestors over Gaza, lol.
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@Greyparrot
Don’t forget about Steve Scalise
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@Greyparrot
And attacks everyone who is by calling them deranged...I don't personally attack you
Note the bold.
What's deranged is presenting hyperbole as reality. Trump was a weak president in 2016 and will be again a weak president.
In his first term he surrounded himself with people who would constantly reign him in. Do you seriously think he will do that again?
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@Double_R
That Idea is deranged. I don't consider you deranged.
In his first term he surrounded himself with people who would constantly reign him in.
You are giving Trump a lot of credit here by assuming he did that on purpose. Even more by thinking he could do anything else on purpose.
And of course, according to the article I assume you read, he would have to be successful thousands of times without fail because of the Hydra nature of today's government. Nobody can do this, least of all Trump. Not without an actual ARMED insurrection. Not a guest tour in the Capitol or a far leftist protest over Gaza.
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@Greyparrot
That Idea is deranged.
Most of Trumpets ideas are deranged { nutter butter chaos } and your a MAGA at heart ergo nutter butter chaos supporter. That is most of DArts view of you, with good cause. Your short quips of negative Trumpet comments are toe placate, nothing more.
..." This is when he --[ Trumpet ]--- crossed one of the last remaining lines that separated his usual authoritarian bluster from recognizable fascism:
......We will drive out the globalists, we will cast out the communists, Marxists, fascists. We will throw off the sick political class that hates our country … On Veterans Day, we pledge to you that we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country, that lie and steal and cheat on elections and will do anything possible … legally or illegally to destroy America and to destroy the American dream.....
As the New York University professor Ruth Ben-Ghiat later pointed out to The Washington Post, Trump is populating this list of imaginary villains (which she sees as a form of projection) in order “to set himself up as the deliverer of freedom. Mussolini promised freedom to his people too and then declared dictatorship.”
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@ebuc
According to that logic, Hillary and Biden would be fascists for eliminating the Ultra Maga deplorables.
It looks like someone has seen the latest polls. Why too scared of Trump, bald man? He was already president and there wasn't any sign of authoritarianism.
I have the impression that Trump will be cast out from the presidential elections by his enemies. However, as Biden has done a terrible, terrible job, any republican that runs for president will win anyway.
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@n8nrgim
I would say a half of conservatives want another pick than trump. Plus a lot who support him in the primary r prob only doing it as a strategy and not actually their first pick. Another quarter think he sucks as a person but effective at the job and they agree on the issues. Another quarter think he can do no wrong and r brainwashed. Does this sound about right to you?
Something like that. I recognize that not everyone who voted for Trump is a MAGA lunatic but as I argued before, unless you are an bigot, fascist, or just want to see the country burn there really isn't a reasonable case to be made for Trump. This is why the political right engages so heavily in misrepresenting and then demonizing the left, not to mention the false equivalences. Politics is a very complex field, you don't have to be alunatic to fall for such tactics when they are employed so fiercely and repetitively.
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@Dr.Franklin
No but I wish he was.
Then same questions for you as I asked ILP5 (post 57). Maybe you'll be honest enough to answer them.
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@sadolite
The question is calling the kettle black. Trump wont be able to run for President, the "fascists" will make sure the "fascist" cant run for President.
Do yourself and Google fascism.
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@ILikePie5
Your side doesn’t get to lecture about political violence lol. It’s not unique to the right.
So no answers, just a whataboutism. How surprising.
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@Double_R
A) Do you think it's appropriate to joke about your political opponents being physically attacked by one of your supporters?
Yes
B) Do you acknowledge that this is a tactic used by nearly every fascist throughout history?
Yes as well as a tactic used by the so called "defenders of democracy"
Lighten up dude. Loads of people make fun of magaret thatchers death day. I mean I am sure as hell glad that Feinstein died. Politics doesn't need to respectful and I am sick and tired of hearing from people that it does. Politics is nasty for a reason.
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@Double_R
So no answers, just a whataboutism. How surprising.
Not a 'whataboutism"
Your definition of a fascist would make Hillary a fascist for declaring half of Trump supporters depolorables and Biden for declaring half the country "ultra-Maga'
And here you are screaming at the sky at the word "vermin" because MSM told you to do so, so you never questioned why.
All your complaints and accusations of "whataboutism" can't save you from the glaring hypocrisy and foolish hyperbole. You don't get to apply a double standard and then claim Trump is for double standards..
Do yourself and Google fascism.
You should have done this long before launching this ridiculous thread. Political name calling isn't Fascism! (but jailing your opponents is one of the many uncheckable boxes)
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@Double_R
OK I googled fascism, now what?
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@Greyparrot
In his first term he surrounded himself with people who would constantly reign him in.You are giving Trump a lot of credit here by assuming he did that on purpose.
I never suggested he did that on purpose, I argued that he surrounded himself with people who had experience in government, a natural thing for someone who gets elected with absolutely no government experience. The problem for him was that people who have experience in government tend to know how it works and value it's basic principals. That's where they clashed with Trump.
And of course, according to the article I assume you read, he would have to be successful thousands of times without fail because of the Hydra nature of today's government. Nobody can do this, least of all Trump. Not without an actual ARMED insurrection.
Uh, yeah. And guess who will have ultimate control over the arms?
The hard part about taking over a government is getting the enough people to declare allegiance to you over the state as well as enough people to be apathetic enough about it to let it slide. Trump already has that. his following is a cult, and loyalty to him will be the lone qualification this time around. The heritage foundation is recruiting thousands of people to install into civil service positions all throughout the government, and Trump will appoint the people he wished her appointed the first time to lead them. The republican party has also completely stepped to the side, they refuse to stand up against anything he says or does. It's not difficult to see where this is going.
You (of all people) seem to have this unshakable confidence in our institutions to stop him, while showing little consideration for the fact that the institutions are only as good as the people running them.
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@sadolite
OK I googled fascism, now what?
Now read it and take note of the differences between the tactics used and anything the left has engaged in.
You (of all people) seem to have this unshakable confidence in our institutions to stop him, while showing little consideration for the fact that the institutions are only as good as the people running them.
Quite the opposite, I have full confidence the same people that corrupted all our institutions long before Trump will also be too corrupted to follow Trump.
The article even suggests that.
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@Greyparrot
All your complaints and accusations of "whataboutism" can't save you from the glaring hypocrisy and foolish hyperbole. You don't get to apply a double standard and then claim Trump is for double standards..
This is exactly what was describing to n8nrgim - how the political right maintains ridiculous positions by not understanding anything and then using their own ignorance to falsely equivocate what the other side does with what they're doing/excusing.
Case and point:
Your definition of a fascist would make Hillary a fascist for declaring half of Trump supporters depolorables and Biden for declaring half the country "ultra-Maga'And here you are screaming at the sky at the word "vermin" because MSM told you to do so, so you never questioned why.
Name calling isn't what makes someone a fascist.
Calling someone deplorable is an attack on one's character. Calling someone vermin is likening them to pests that are filthy, diseases ridden, and need to be exterminated. The latter is the kind of language used by someone priming his base to see the other side as less than human so that they can get away with stripping them of their rights or engaging in violence against them.
You know who else understood this? People like Hitler and Mussolini, which is exactly why they used this language. So even if basic English wasn't enough for you to understand the difference here, try history.
And no one ever said this is why Trump is a fascist. It's another one of those nonsense tactics the right uses to shrug off reality - assess every action in isolation, then claim the action itself is not enough to cause serious alarm. Of course it's not, you need to look at the entire picture.
Political name calling isn't Fascism! (but jailing your opponents is one of the many uncheckable boxes)
Once again, Trump was indicted because he committed obvious and serious crimes. That's called the rule of law.
Another thing about the rule of law is that it revolves around facts and logic, not personal attacks. Take a good look at Trump vs the prosecution. See if you can tell which side is which.